Big Boris, Our Prime Minister

[Wendy Saintss]

May f**ked up by going to them on bended knee and then ending up on all fours

I wish folk would stop posting faraway’s sexual fantasies on this forum

[faraway saint]

6 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said:

I wish folk would stop posting faraway’s sexual fantasies on this forum

Me as well. 

[St.Ricky]

So.. What's new on the Boris Johnson front today? 

[smcc]

9 hours ago, theknickerwetter said:

He wont tell you , you'll just have to wait

In plain English, the deal does not exist.

[smcc]

1 hour ago, theknickerwetter said:

In plain Scottish , it's all relative

Don't you mean mythical?

[Guest TPAFKATS]

So.. What's new on the Boris Johnson front today? 

In Aberdeenshire this morning and already he's said he will ignore any new law passed re brexit. He also says we can get a trade deal with USA that allows us to sell our beef but not have to take theirs into UK.

He didn't mention the deal that the knicker wetter states has already been sorted between UK and USA though.

All this before midday, the day is young!

[beyond our ken]

3 hours ago, theknickerwetter said:

In plain Scottish , it's all relative

No, his relative pissed off and left him to die in a ditch

[Russian Saint]

In Aberdeenshire this morning and already he's said he will ignore any new law passed re brexit. He also says we can get a trade deal with USA that allows us to sell our beef but not have to take theirs into UK.

He didn't mention the deal that the knicker wetter states has already been sorted between UK and USA though.

All this before midday, the day is young!

This is more nail biting than the transfer deadline day.

[stlucifer]

On 9/4/2019 at 12:01 PM, Doakes said:

There's a lot to unpack there

Is localisation the same as nationalism? Is globalisation the same as centralisation? Then of course, which is better for the population as a whole?

My view would be - you can be proud of where you're from without being a nationalist - nationalism to me would be putting people you live with first, at the expense of other nations. There's probably a happy medium to be found where countries/nations/regions agree to help each other without battling for supremacy. But that's probably an idealistic viewpoint  

You mean like the core values the European Union was meant to encompass? It would be great to get back to that.

ETA.

Just to show how things change:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/corbyn-better-no-deal-brexit-say-investment-banks-anti-capitalist/

Edited September 7, 2019 by stlucifer

[Doakes]

4 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

You mean like the core values the European Union was meant to encompass? It would be great to get back to that.

ETA.

Just to show how things change:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/corbyn-better-no-deal-brexit-say-investment-banks-anti-capitalist/

If it was continuing like it started off it would be fine

[St.Ricky]

4 hours ago, Doakes said:

If it was continuing like it started off it would be fine

I would still prefer to be part of Europe in a large and expanding union where my country has the right of veto. Is it perfect? Not in my opinion. I would prefer to influence it from within. 

We joined the rest of the UK in a union which many perhaps believe  has outlived its usefulness. Some want to stay in and others don't. We have no right of veto. The opportunity to influence it from within is therefore diminished. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by St.Ricky

[Bud the Baker]

1 hour ago, St.Ricky said:

I would still prefer to be part of Europe in a large and expanding union where my country has the right of veto. Is it perfect? Not in my opinion. I would prefer to influence it from within. 

We joined the rest of the UK in a union which many perhaps believe  has outlived its usefulness. Some want to stay in and others don't. We have no right of veto. The opportunity to influence it from within us therefore diminished. 

300 years ago - we have no written constitution, a PM who says he will not implement a law passed by parliament - as one commentator put it the other day we are now sailing into waters marked "Here be Dragons". We live in a devolved country with disputes about which parliament returning EU powers should be restored to and yes up until now courts have upheld that interpretation but courts have changed their minds in the past.

On a practical note with BJ having purged the party the likelihood is the Torie will go into the upcoming election pretty much on the same page of the songbook with Labour all over the place, It remains to be seen if the Lib-Dems have rid themselves of the toxicity from their spell in the coalition government. Opinions on Brexit cross party line for the two major parties and no-one can tell how the vote will split, obviously BJ thinks the Tories will hoover up the majority of the LEAVE vote while REMAIN will be more evenly split allowing the Tories to win the GE - once again I say "Here be Dragons".

Edited September 7, 2019 by Bud the Baker

[jaybee]

1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:

2 hours ago, St.Ricky said:

I would still prefer to be part of Europe in a large and expanding union where my country has the right of veto. Is it perfect? Not in my opinion. I would prefer to influence it from within. 

We joined the rest of the UK in a union which many perhaps believe  has outlived its usefulness. Some want to stay in and others don't. We have no right of veto. The opportunity to influence it from within us therefore diminished. 

300 years ago - we have no written constitution, a PM who says he will not implement a law passed by parliament - as one commentator put it the other day we are now sailing into waters marked "Here be Dragons". We live in a devolved country with disputes about which parliament returning EU powers should be restored to and yes up until now courts have upheld that interpretation but courts have changed their minds in the past.

On a practical note with BJ having purged the party the likelihood is the Torie will go into the upcoming election pretty much on the same page of the songbook with Labour all over the place, It remains to be seen if the Lib-Dems have rid themselves of the toxicity from their spell in the coalition government. Opinions on Brexit cross party line for the two major parties and no-one can tell how the vote will split, obviously BJ thinks the Tories will hoover up the majority of the LEAVE vote while REMAIN will be more evenly split allowing the Tories to win the GE - once again I say "Here be Dragons".

Personally I have no time for BJ ...........apart from the fact that he is the one political leader who is willing to implement the result of the referendum, whilst those politicians in Parliament charged with that duty have obfuscated and dithered and downright ignored the will of the people because (for whichever reason) it does not suit them and were he (BJ) to ignore the law and do so, I would applaud him, although I don't think he will. And as an aside if the best political leader Scotland can come up with is NS...........well! we deserve all we get. I would rather have the Big Yin in power he makes a sight more fecking sense than the wee poison dwarf.

[St.Ricky]

1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:

300 years ago - we have no written constitution, a PM who says he will not implement a law passed by parliament - as one commentator put it the other day we are now sailing into waters marked "Here be Dragons". We live in a devolved country with disputes about which parliament returning EU powers should be restored to and yes up until now courts have upheld that interpretation but courts have changed their minds in the past.

On a practical note with BJ having purged the party the likelihood is the Torie will go into the upcoming election pretty much on the same page of the songbook with Labour all over the place, It remains to be seen if the Lib-Dems have rid themselves of the toxicity from their spell in the coalition government. Opinions on Brexit cross party line for the two major parties and no-one can tell how the vote will split, obviously BJ thinks the Tories will hoover up the majority of the LEAVE vote while REMAIN will be more evenly split allowing the Tories to win the GE - once again I say "Here be Dragons".

The Chinese proverb.. May you live in interesting times comes to mind. We certainly are. 

[Bud the Baker]

42 minutes ago, jaybee said:

Personally I have no time for BJ ...........apart from the fact that he is the one political leader who is willing to implement the result of the referendum, whilst those politicians in Parliament charged with that duty have obfuscated and dithered and downright ignored the will of the people because (for whichever reason) it does not suit them and were he (BJ) to ignore the law and do so, I would applaud him, although I don't think he will. And as an aside if the best political leader Scotland can come up with is NS...........well! we deserve all we get. I would rather have the Big Yin in power he makes a sight more fecking sense than the wee poison dwarf.

I don't recall a No-Deal Brexit being on the agenda during the referendum, indeed BJ is on record during the campaign saying he thought the UK should stay in the Single Market! My recollection is that the most likely scenarios for the "easiest deal in history" were along the Canada/Norway models - both, as the vernacular goes, fairly soft. 

Full membership of the Single Market would IIRC solve the Backstop problem. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Bud the Baker

[Kemp]

1 hour ago, theknickerwetter said:

A deal wasn't part of the campaign to leave but Cameron and Osborne said quite vocally that it would mean no single market no customs union , they basically said it would mean leaving everything 

This is nonsense. They constantly talked up how easy new trade deals would be struck. Crippling the country by leaving us unable to properly import / export goods for an extended period of time is not what people voted for.

[Bud the Baker]

1 hour ago, theknickerwetter said:

A deal wasn't part of the campaign to leave but Cameron and Osborne said quite vocally that it would mean no single market no customs union , they basically said it would mean leaving everything 

A lot of this is about nuances and while you're correct about the Cameron's remarks on the Single Market, the Customs Union was barely mentioned during the campaign, even TMs deal had us staying in the EU on existing terms until the current budget runs out at the end of 2020 effectively gaving us 4¹⁄₂ years to sort out a Free Trade deal (easiest in history) - we were never told it meant leaving everything. None of this changes what BJ, Farage and no doubt plenty other politicos who are now NoDealers said back then, if anything it just shows what a mess the Brexit referendum campaign was.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Bud the Baker

[Wendy Saintss]

I would still prefer to be part of Europe in a large and expanding union where my country has the right of veto. Is it perfect? Not in my opinion. I would prefer to influence it from within. 
We joined the rest of the UK in a union which many perhaps believe  has outlived its usefulness. Some want to stay in and others don't. We have no right of veto. The opportunity to influence it from within is therefore diminished. 

35 SNP MPs have just vetoed England attempting to leave the EU without a deal.

Quite a lot of influence I reckon

[antrin]

3 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

 

 

I've got a pet dragon.

 

You DID say.... 

I should never have doubted you.

 

[St.Ricky]

22 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

 

35 SNP MPs have just vetoed England attempting to leave the EU without a deal.

Quite a lot of influence I reckon

 

But no veto. 

[Wendy Saintss]

How many English MPs voted for and against?

I give in, tell me

[Russian Saint]

This is nonsense. They constantly talked up how easy new trade deals would be struck. Crippling the country by leaving us unable to properly import / export goods for an extended period of time is not what people voted for.

I’m afraid it’s true chap. David Cameron did state it’s an “all in or all out”

David Cameron has said the British people must "have their say" on Europe as he pledged an in/out referendum if the Conservatives win the election.
The prime minister said he wanted to renegotiate the UK's relationship with the EU and then give people the "simple choice" between staying in under those new terms, or leaving the EU.
The news was welcomed by Eurosceptics who have long campaigned for a vote.
France and Germany both warned the UK could not "cherry pick" EU membership.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-21148282

Also strange that within hours of the MP’s blocking a No Deal Brexit, the Bank of England state that a no deal Brexit would be less severe than first thought.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/bank-of-england-revises-impact-of-no-deal-brexit-from-8-to-5-of-gdp

If Brexit is stopped, then democracy is dead in the UK.

[Russian Saint]

35 SNP MPs have just vetoed England attempting to leave the EU without a deal.

Quite a lot of influence I reckon

What I don’t get is. If Sturgeon is hell bent on Indy Ref 2, why block/Veto the No Deal. Is she hedging her bets that if Indy Ref 2 is a repeat outcome of the first attempt, then at least Scotland are still part of the UK, and by extension still in the EU?
Why should the SNP MP’s get a vote on an issue that effects all of the UK if they don’t want to be part of it?

[oaksoft]

26 minutes ago, Russian Saint said:

 

What I don’t get is. If Sturgeon is hell bent on Indy Ref 2, why block/Veto the No Deal. Is she hedging her bets that if Indy Ref 2 is a repeat outcome of the first attempt, then at least Scotland are still part of the UK, and by extension still in the EU?
Why should the SNP MP’s get a vote on an issue that effects all of the UK if they don’t want to be part of it?

 

Because like it or not, we ARE part of the UK as it currently stands and therefore the SNP have a duty to use their votes as they see fit.

[Kemp]

1 hour ago, Russian Saint said:

 

I’m afraid it’s true chap. David Cameron did state it’s an “all in or all out”

David Cameron has said the British people must "have their say" on Europe as he pledged an in/out referendum if the Conservatives win the election.
The prime minister said he wanted to renegotiate the UK's relationship with the EU and then give people the "simple choice" between staying in under those new terms, or leaving the EU.
The news was welcomed by Eurosceptics who have long campaigned for a vote.
France and Germany both warned the UK could not "cherry pick" EU membership.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-21148282

Also strange that within hours of the MP’s blocking a No Deal Brexit, the Bank of England state that a no deal Brexit would be less severe than first thought.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/bank-of-england-revises-impact-of-no-deal-brexit-from-8-to-5-of-gdp

If Brexit is stopped, then democracy is dead in the UK.

 

Good lord, this just shows how poorly informed most of the public are on this, yourself included.

Leaving the EU and single market does not equate to leaving it with no deal for what comes next.

Do you genuinely not understand that?