Tommy Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Not the general public and not to his face. They tend to boo and shout abuse. Dare to be different, Tommy, dare to be different. Sadly the big yin wasn't at work today but someone suggested he may be away to Brussels on a working holiday [emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 An English QC of irish descent operating through the Scottish courts, which are of course subject to the influence of the UK Supreme court. The Case will be decided by England.It'll be decided under Scots law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russian Saint Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 It'll be decided under Scots law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russian Saint Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Apparently the Tories saying they will not do a deal with Farage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 It'll be decided under Scots law. How does that work, TPAFKSTS? My understanding is that the vast majority of the judges forming the Court are non-Scots Law judges - 10 v 2 iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 22 hours ago, St.Ricky said: Looks possible that the DUP's "usefulness" may have expired. Bridge between NI and Scotland anyone? The DUP's "usefulness" was past its sell by date as soon as BJ was elected and decide to alienate more than 20 of his own MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, stlucifer said: The DUP's "usefulness" was past its sell by date as soon as BJ was elected and decide to alienate more than 20 of his own MPs. Got to agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russian Saint Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 An English QC of irish descent operating through the Scottish courts, which are of course subject to the influence of the UK Supreme court. The Case will be decided by England.Just listening to LBC. What’s being said there is it’ll be decided by the Supreme Court in London.Points of note.1. “The ruling by the Scottish court is not legally binding”2. “The Scottish ruling was held in a civil court with no evidence or counter arguments permitted. Just the opinion of the judges.”3. “The Scottish court has declined to reverse prorogation.”4. “The courts will not rule against the Queen on suspending parliament.”With the Supreme Court ruling scheduled for next Tuesday, which is another week wasted minimum. They go on to say that the only way that Brexit can be stopped is by the opposition seizing control of parliament and revoke A50.A lot of this is beyond my knowledge of what a lot of that entails. Interesting days ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Russian Saint said: With the Supreme Court ruling scheduled for next Tuesday, which is another week wasted minimum. They go on to say that the only way that Brexit can be stopped is by the opposition seizing control of parliament and revoke A50. So, let get this right, the opposition party have to seize control of Parliament (even though it isn't currently sitting) and revoke article 50 ...................... which is to say ignore the will of the people in a vote that was intended to be democratic and decisive ...........................unless of course it doesn't suit your viewpoint. A load of charlatans in the house sitting collecting in the region of £80,000 plus for doing the opposite of what they have been mandated to do, or as Shull would say lying cheating thieving barstuards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 I was brought up to believe judges were impartial but these ones seem politically motivated . I never voted for them or the European Commision. Ministers have to hand their phones in by 11pm toniteJudges have made a judgement under scots law. You might not agree but it's not political.The amount of rage from brexiters, including politicians, because a legal judgement went against the government is both ludicrous and also quite worrying.The judges decision isn't about brexit, it's about proroging parliament.Accusing them of being political and questioning their impartiality is quite deluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 How does that work, TPAFKSTS? My understanding is that the vast majority of the judges forming the Court are non-Scots Law judges - 10 v 2 iirc. It was a flippant comment in regards to BOK suggesting England would decide.The judgement has been made under scots law and the supreme court will now hear. I think it's 9 judges with 2 Scots law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, theknickerwetter said: Your opinions again , l disagree. You seem to dip into attempts at insults when l dont agree with you Bud. Anyone can get a link . Ruth Davidson ffs nearly as bad as the one who sold the shirt wow! You think other people engage in insults and say so as if it's a bad thing? Ya wee Trump-ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 hours ago, stlucifer said: The DUP's "usefulness" was past its sell by date as soon as BJ was elected and decide to alienate more than 20 of his own MPs. They won’t care, they got their £1bn bung from May. The NI parties are generally powerless anyway, this is as good as it was going to get for any of them and the DUP came out brilliantly from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: 2 hours ago, theknickerwetter said: I was brought up to believe judges were impartial but these ones seem politically motivated . I never voted for them or the European Commision. Ministers have to hand their phones in by 11pm tonite Judges have made a judgement under scots law. You might not agree but it's not political. The amount of rage from brexiters, including politicians, because a legal judgement went against the government is both ludicrous and also quite worrying. The judges decision isn't about brexit, it's about proroging parliament. Accusing them of being political and questioning their impartiality is quite deluded. Really, seriously? as a nasty wee yank git used tae say.................. you cannot be serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: 7 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: It was a flippant comment in regards to BOK suggesting England would decide. The judgement has been made under scots law and the supreme court will now hear. I think it's 9 judges with 2 Scots law? Wait a minute, if the Scots one is held under Scots Law and the English one is held under English law, couldn't that result in both decisions being upheld by the Supreme Court? Where the feck would that leave things? As far as I understand it, the Supreme Court is what it says it is, Supreme. Cases have been held now in England and in Scotland with courts which can only be superceded by the Supreme Court. In England, the case has reached there since those bringing the case have appealed the "no" decision and in Scotland as the judges here granted an appeal but recognised that this was likely to be appealed against so referred the matter to the supreme Court. Doing this made things happen more quickly.. Next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 It was a flippant comment in regards to BOK suggesting England would decide.The judgement has been made under scots law and the supreme court will now hear. I think it's 9 judges with 2 Scots law? 9 English law judges, 2 Scots law judges & 1 NI law judge I think, hence 10 v 2.You'd have to question the competency of those 10 to comment on Scots law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 12 hours ago, theknickerwetter said: Your opinions again , l disagree. You seem to dip into attempts at insults when l dont agree with you Bud. Anyone can get a link . Ruth Davidson ffs nearly as bad as the one who sold the shirt ….and if the links come from reputable sources like mine have they're called facts! As for insults - pots & kettles. Going back to Ruth Davidson, you asked the question - just another deflection because you can't handle the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, salmonbuddie said: 9 English law judges, 2 Scots law judges & 1 NI law judge I think, hence 10 v 2. You'd have to question the competency of those 10 to comment on Scots law. You don't have to, the judges are all highly experienced and knowledgeable people who have had exposure to all of the jurisdictions of the UK. I know Barristers who have been trained in Scotland and are based here who not only defend cases but prosecute on behalf of governmental institutions in courts right across the UK. Scots law has it's own procedures and quirks, however these don't make Scots law a completely unique entity in the context of the UK The key issue is, judgements made under UK law in the supreme court are held to be influential over the scottish courts. Not necessarily binding, but if a court in Scotland fails to follow a precedent set in the supreme court then the trail goes back to the SC so there is a well-worn path that keeps all involved following the same principles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, theknickerwetter said: Lol, deluded. That's your opinion, in my opinion you Buddie are naive and should remove thy tinfoil hat . Put the boot on the other foot for a minute and imagine that in 2014 52% of Scots had voted Yes and then 3 yrs later nothing had happened , we were still in the union and people were talking about revoking the Edinburgh agreement , and that England are our biggest trading partner and we shouldn't leave anyway bla, bla , remoan, remoan Fashion note the wearing of a tin foil hat is usually reserved for a conspiracy theorist and not for a person who is debunking a conspiracy theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, beyond our ken said: You don't have to, the judges are all highly experienced and knowledgeable people who have had exposure to all of the jurisdictions of the UK. I know Barristers who have been trained in Scotland and are based here who not only defend cases but prosecute on behalf of governmental institutions in courts right across the UK. Scots law has it's own procedures and quirks, however these don't make Scots law a completely unique entity in the context of the UK The key issue is, judgements made under UK law in the supreme court are held to be influential over the scottish courts. Not necessarily binding, but if a court in Scotland fails to follow a precedent set in the supreme court then the trail goes back to the SC so there is a well-worn path that keeps all involved following the same principles They don't make Scots law a completely unique entity in the context of the rest of the world, either, though, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, bok. There's no such entity as 'UK law', either. I think it will be 'interesting' to see how this is handled. Iirc the individual judges findings are made public so irrespective of whether or not they're actually competent, I suspect there will be 'outrage' if the two Scots law judges uphold the decision of the High Court and a majority of publically perceived non-competent judges outvotes them and overturns it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: They don't make Scots law a completely unique entity in the context of the rest of the world, either, though, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, bok. There's no such entity as 'UK law', either. I think it will be 'interesting' to see how this is handled. Iirc the individual judges findings are made public so irrespective of whether or not they're actually competent, I suspect there will be 'outrage' if the two Scots law judges uphold the decision of the High Court and a majority of publically perceived non-competent judges outvotes them and overturns it. What I am saying is that all of the UK supreme court judges will be highly aware and competent in their scrutiny of a judgement made under Scots law. It happens in so many walks of life already and no-one is crying about other appeals that have gone from Edinburgh to London. Those bringing the case say it is not about Brexit, it is about the abuse of power and what is really highlighted is the absence of a reliable user manual for the governance of the UK. There will be no grounds for outrage and i say that as an independence-leaning Scot. If people choose to use a decision that is made in the UK supreme court as evidence that Scotland's voice is never heard then I am afraid that will be a set-back for independence. There is a strong enough positive case for independence and there is no need to resort to faux-outrage as a way of forwarding the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: What I am saying is that all of the UK supreme court judges will be highly aware and competent in their scrutiny of a judgement made under Scots law. It happens in so many walks of life already and no-one is crying about other appeals that have gone from Edinburgh to London. Those bringing the case say it is not about Brexit, it is about the abuse of power and what is really highlighted is the absence of a reliable user manual for the governance of the UK. There will be no grounds for outrage and i say that as an independence-leaning Scot. If people choose to use a decision that is made in the UK supreme court as evidence that Scotland's voice is never heard then I am afraid that will be a set-back for independence. There is a strong enough positive case for independence and there is no need to resort to faux-outrage as a way of forwarding the cause. That's an overt way of saying what I was implying, bok - interesting times indeed. Edited September 12, 2019 by salmonbuddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 Lol, deluded. That's your opinion, in my opinion you Buddie are naive and should remove thy tinfoil hat . Put the boot on the other foot for a minute and imagine that in 2014 52% of Scots had voted Yes and then 3 yrs later nothing had happened , we were still in the union and people were talking about revoking the Edinburgh agreement , and that England are our biggest trading partner and we shouldn't leave anyway bla, bla , remoan, remoanThe judges didn't give a judgement on anything you have said there.They gave a judgement on the proroging of parliament.The rest is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, cockles1987 said: Read a post from ZA on facebook the other week where he gave his view regarding a legal issue. Was good to see an explanation and helped clear things up from what we believe is correct and what actually is correct. It's doing my head in trying to remember what it was, can only remember it was something that most folk would have got wrong because they'd heard it from someone else to be true. ZA hellllllppppppp please Patience. We'll all find out next week. Don't assume ZA knows the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 7 hours ago, theknickerwetter said: Again , your opinions, and again l disagree . For the record whatever R Davidson said was irrelevant or as you say, a distraction (sic) For the last time your attempt to blur the distinction between facts and opinions fools nobody - I'm not the only poster to have caught you out on this thread, and what RD said was relevant to the question you asked - one you couldn't even phrase without resorting to profanity (shitfest). Throughout our dialogue you have been both profane and wrong, I don't expect a reasonable reply, you've offered nothing original so far as your latest act of plagiarism (sic) above demonstrates - if nothing else I've widened your vocabulary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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