jaybee Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 17 hours ago, salmonbuddie said: On 9/11/2019 at 9:39 PM, TPAFKATS said: It was a flippant comment in regards to BOK suggesting England would decide. The judgement has been made under scots law and the supreme court will now hear. I think it's 9 judges with 2 Scots law? 9 English law judges, 2 Scots law judges & 1 NI law judge I think, hence 10 v 2. You'd have to question the competency of those 10 to comment on Scots law. And just to be bloody minded...........how relevant is Scots law when it pertains to an English Parliament..........and just to be absurd (I can be good at that) if the Scottish legal system decided all schools should have Scots pies for lunch........how is that relevant to English schools in other words what the feck business is it of ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaybee Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 11 hours ago, salmonbuddie said: There will be no grounds for outrage and i say that as an independence-leaning Scot. If people choose to use a decision that is made in the UK supreme court as evidence that Scotland's voice is never heard then I am afraid that will be a set-back for independence. There is a strong enough positive case for independence and there is no need to resort to faux-outrage as a way of forwarding the cause. dae you ware tartin nickers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 9:35 PM, TPAFKATS said: Judges have made a judgement under scots law. You might not agree but it's not political. The amount of rage from brexiters, including politicians, because a legal judgement went against the government is both ludicrous and also quite worrying. The judges decision isn't about brexit, it's about proroging parliament. it's entirely political supporting the wee nyaf in charge and the judge who spoke looks like Salmonds Daddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 10 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: The rest is irrelevant. as are the wee fat jock judges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 And just to be bloody minded...........how relevant is Scots law when it pertains to an English Parliament..........and just to be absurd (I can be good at that) if the Scottish legal system decided all schools should have Scots pies for lunch........how is that relevant to English schools in other words what the feck business is it of ours?It's not an English Parliament that it pertains to, though, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 dae you ware tartin nickers?Just so we're clear, I didn't write that. Not sure how you ended up with that, it was a response to a post I'd made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 And just to be bloody minded...........how relevant is Scots law when it pertains to an English Parliament..........and just to be absurd (I can be good at that) if the Scottish legal system decided all schools should have Scots pies for lunch........how is that relevant to English schools in other words what the feck business is it of ours?I'm not sure if you are being bloody minded or you are just being thick as shit.English parliament fur f**ksake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 it's entirely political supporting the wee nyaf in charge and the judge who spoke looks like Salmonds Daddy. as are the wee fat jock judgesOh wait, it's humour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 23 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: Yeah, well, thanks for explaining what everyone already knows. The actual point of the question, though, was if (and I don't know if this is correct or not) the two appeals are heard under different legal systems then there is the possibility (however small) that it could end with conflicting results. What would the outcome then be? Maybe they aren't held under different legal systems and/or maybe they are being heard together (is it one decision, or two?) and it is a moot point. If it turns out that both decisions are upheld (or both overturned) there will obviously be a conflict and a decision will have to be made one way or other. After that decision, there would be people that will claim that English law is being treated as more important than Scots law or Scots law is being treated as more important than English law. Or is there a separate sort of "UK Law" that these are heard under? We all know WHAT the Supreme Court does, very few of us will know the details of HOW it does it. I suppose we are all about to find out. Where the feck's ZA when you need him? Both Scots and English law are competent to hear these cases. Above both of the courts mentioned there is the Supreme Court in the UK to which this the judgement in Scotland, England and NI have been referred as e.g. The court in Scotland recognised the case was likely to end up there, said so in their judgement and in doing so expedited matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: I'm not sure if you are being bloody minded or you are just being thick as shit. English parliament fur f**ksake. Have you not read most of his posts? Wee dug syndrome. 🐶 Edited September 13, 2019 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, salmonbuddie said: 9 hours ago, jaybee said: And just to be bloody minded...........how relevant is Scots law when it pertains to an English Parliament..........and just to be absurd (I can be good at that) if the Scottish legal system decided all schools should have Scots pies for lunch........how is that relevant to English schools in other words what the feck business is it of ours? It's not an English Parliament that it pertains to, though, is it? No, but it is in London last time I looked........perhaps they moved it and didn't tell me .... ever so sorry. Actually yes it is, or i you would rather be pedantic it's a UK parliament sitting in London, but then that belittles the wee nyafs one in Edinburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, salmonbuddie said: 9 hours ago, jaybee said: dae you ware tartin nickers? Just so we're clear, I didn't write that. Not sure how you ended up with that, it was a response to a post I'd made. Yes it was apologies it was not aimed at you...............grovel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, TPAFKATS said: 9 hours ago, jaybee said: it's entirely political supporting the wee nyaf in charge and the judge who spoke looks like Salmonds Daddy. 9 hours ago, jaybee said: as are the wee fat jock judges Oh wait, it's humour... Well those wee fat lawers/judges/magistrates were certainly a joke, but what is more 'humerous' is the fact that people seriously believe that there judgement is NOT Political, THAT is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Slartibartfast said: 9 hours ago, jaybee said: And just to be bloody minded...........how relevant is Scots law when it pertains to an English Parliament..........and just to be absurd (I can be good at that) if the Scottish legal system decided all schools should have Scots pies for lunch........how is that relevant to English schools in other words what the feck business is it of ours? So it was just English MPs that the parliament was prorogued for? You're not very good at this trolling lark, are you? Whilst YOU are just not very good or perhaps just NOT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 I wish we could finish this Brexit pish and focus on the real issues... Kenyan MP wants to see an end to farting on planes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 Anyone in here that has studied law or work in that field able to clear up a question I have? There's a quote being flung around twitter "Scots Law has no equal in English Law, in the Act of Union 1707, Scottish Law is sovereign in Scotland and has no equal outside Scotland. In other words, Scotland has its own law and no English or British court can overrule Scots Law" I don't know enough about it to call bullshit - but are there serious legal implications if the decisions do turn out to clash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Doakes said: Anyone in here that has studied law or work in that field able to clear up a question I have? There's a quote being flung around twitter "Scots Law has no equal in English Law, in the Act of Union 1707, Scottish Law is sovereign in Scotland and has no equal outside Scotland. In other words, Scotland has its own law and no English or British court can overrule Scots Law" I don't know enough about it to call bullshit - but are there serious legal implications if the decisions do turn out to clash? On Tuesday two Scots will be sitting on the panel of judge's as the decision taken is for the whole of the UK. There will also be Welsh and N. Ireland on the panel also from what I heard on Newsnight. Edited September 13, 2019 by Isle Of Bute Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 21 hours ago, beyond our ken said: What I am saying is that all of the UK supreme court judges will be highly aware and competent in their scrutiny of a judgement made under Scots law. It happens in so many walks of life already and no-one is crying about other appeals that have gone from Edinburgh to London. Those bringing the case say it is not about Brexit, it is about the abuse of power and what is really highlighted is the absence of a reliable user manual for the governance of the UK. There will be no grounds for outrage and i say that as an independence-leaning Scot. If people choose to use a decision that is made in the UK supreme court as evidence that Scotland's voice is never heard then I am afraid that will be a set-back for independence. There is a strong enough positive case for independence and there is no need to resort to faux-outrage as a way of forwarding the cause. Well indeed, these are the rules we have to play by. Makes a pretty strong case for changing the game though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Doakes said: Anyone in here that has studied law or work in that field able to clear up a question I have? There's a quote being flung around twitter "Scots Law has no equal in English Law, in the Act of Union 1707, Scottish Law is sovereign in Scotland and has no equal outside Scotland. In other words, Scotland has its own law and no English or British court can overrule Scots Law" I don't know enough about it to call bullshit - but are there serious legal implications if the decisions do turn out to clash? It's only true up to the point where Scots law diverges from the rest of the UK. Decisions in the UK supreme court are mostly considered influential over what might eventually come before a scottish court in the same context. In other words, the decision of the supreme court will influence the thinking of Scots judges if a further constitutional question comes forward. The Scots judge might choose to act against the influence but is bound to consider the possibility of an appeal to the UK supreme court and the Scots judge already has their opinion so going against that influence would be pointless. In some cases, I believe, the UK supreme court has authority over Scots judgements.. In Scotland, legislation handed down from Westminster is applied in it's original form-health and safety law and regulation is a good example of that- however the structure in NI dictates that they have their own version of some, if not all, UK laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said: I wish we could finish this Brexit pish and focus on the real issues... Kenyan MP wants to see an end to farting on planes She obviously felt that she had to clear the air on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 She obviously felt that she had to clear the air on this one.When challenged by temporary speaker Christopher Omulele (Luanda) on how she intends to have farting and flatulence aboard air crafts checked and if possible stopped, she said special training of aircraft crew should be undertaken.Ffs, with that level of planning she'd fit in well with Boris and his plans for how we will sort brexit. Obviously with her being a black African our PM may cause (another) diplomatic incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russian Saint Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 I wish we could finish this Brexit pish and focus on the real issues... Kenyan MP wants to see an end to farting on planesWhat’s her problem? She could always open the window [emoji100][emoji40]🤷🏼♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 What’s her problem? She could always open the window [emoji100][emoji40][emoji2373]It'll cost you...[emoji846]https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-07-18/jet2-passenger-who-tried-to-open-aircraft-doors-on-a-flight-to-turkey-hit-with-85-000-fine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russian Saint Posted September 13, 2019 Report Share Posted September 13, 2019 It'll cost you...[emoji846]https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-07-18/jet2-passenger-who-tried-to-open-aircraft-doors-on-a-flight-to-turkey-hit-with-85-000-fine/Don’t think it would be the same amount of a fine for opening a window though [emoji87] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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