Big Boris, Our Prime Minister

[oaksoft]

37 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said:

How would you know if it's about empathy or not, oaky, the entire concept's alien to you?
 

Do you know what does make a difference to the lives of "these people"? Me getting off my arse and doing practical things to help. By doing that, I get to understand what they've been through and what they're going through.
 

 

OK Boomer.

I'll leave you to pat your own back Mr Virtuous.

It reminds me of an old joke.

How do you know a do-gooder helps the poor and the needy? Hang around with him for 5 minutes and he'll tell you twice.

It's not humanity. It's hubris I think you'll find. 

Edited December 17, 2019 by oaksoft

[oaksoft]

9 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I know that not everyone on PIP is unable to work - I work alongside some people who are indeed PIP claimants.

Cuts to PIP

Cuts to PIP2

Cuts to PIP - The MS 20 metre rule

I admire the rant on ex-cons (and as I said the majority are indeed blameful for their own troubles) but mentioning London Bridge - wasn't one of the guys who stopped the assailant an ex-murderer himself?

I won’t disagree on the long term disability - if they want to work then I agree, help them do it. Each case is individual.

I understand it’s a small minority of people, but I believe the numbers are higher than you think. I was guilty of this myself until recently. The job I’m in now had opened my eyes massively to the scale of it, and it’s not even really the main part of the job itself.

The problem the Tories had was dealing with the amount of fraudulent incapacity claims and the entitlement and dependency which it bred. In fixing the problem they've overcompensated. I'm not defending anyone here but it's not an easy job to make this sort of necessary change.

As for the bit in bold. Yes he was and he should never have been there. He slit a woman's throat. There was a hall full of them. Not one of them should have been released. We wouldn't have had an attacker and that attacker wouldn't have needed subduing. All of them should still be in jail until their rotting corpses required carrying out in boxes. Actually there was another guy there who used the fire extinguisher. Him and his mate broke into the house of a 75 year old man. His mate punched and killed the old guy. He shouldn't be on the streets either.

Edited December 17, 2019 by oaksoft

[Cornwall_Saint]

12 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The problem the Tories had was dealing with the amount of fraudulent incapacity claims and the entitlement and dependency which it bred. In fixing the problem they've overcompensated. I'm not defending anyone here but it's not an easy job to make this sort of necessary change.

As for the bit in bold. Yes he was and he should never have been there. He slit a woman's throat. There was a hall full of them. Not one of them should have been released. We wouldn't have had an attacker and that attacker wouldn't have needed subduing. All of them should still be in jail until their rotting corpses required carrying out in boxes. Actually there was another guy there who used the fire extinguisher. Him and his mate broke into the house of a 75 year old man. His mate punched and killed the old guy. He shouldn't be on the streets either.

The problem with the overcompensated claims is that many genuine people have suffered heavily, and in extreme cases this has even led to suicides.

I do agree that none should have been out of jail. Indeed a customer of mine today told me that someone who lived near her was a convicted murderer - I’ll spare the details but it was pretty gruesome and he was only given 14 years. I will say though that it’s comical of the Tories to claim right before the election the early release laws need to be clamped down on when they’ve had 9 years to force a clampdown.

[salmonbuddie]

You know what makes zero difference to the lives of these people? The likes of you adopting the moral high ground, emoting at will, sobbing into your souffle and wringing your hands in a pique of patronising pity.
 

OK Boomer.
I'll leave you to pat your own back Mr Virtuous.
It reminds me of an old joke.
How do you know a do-gooder helps the poor and the needy? Hang around with him for 5 minutes and he'll tell you twice.
It's not humanity. It's hubris I think you'll find. [emoji38]

You're losing it, oaky, which of these ad hominem attacks do you want to choose as applicable to me, they're describing me as two completely different things.

Why not just admit you made a roaring arse of it again?

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Over-generalised nonsense.

f**k me, you'd know all about that - "I've ran my own business, therefore I get to speak for every employer ever"

[Guest TPAFKATS]

You're losing it, oaky, which of these ad hominem attacks do you want to choose as applicable to me, they're describing me as two completely different things.

Why not just admit you made a roaring arse of it again?

Not sure what's worse -
An adult male using the term OK boomer, or using the term and totally misunderstanding it.

[salmonbuddie]

Not sure what's worse -
An adult male using the term OK boomer, or using the term and totally misunderstanding it.

Aye, next thing you know he'll be telling us he's down with kids...

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[Guest TPAFKATS]

Couldnae help it

[salmonbuddie]

Couldnae help it

That's almost exactly how I pictured him, have you hacked his online photo account?

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[shull]

 

[TPAFKA Jersey 2]

7 hours ago, oaksoft said:

The video I was responding to showed up wrongly in your post for some reason before reverting to the correct one.

Not sure what happened there.

 

Ah I see. Yes I noticed the first post went wrong somehow. When I quoted my original post it was the correct video despite the one contained in the post changing to a different one. Weird. 

[Cornwall_Saint]

Tories continue to shaft the disabled

[shull]

 

[oaksoft]

14 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

The problem with the overcompensated claims is that many genuine people have suffered heavily, and in extreme cases this has even led to suicides.

 

I have no doubt that a lot of people have suffered needlessly because of certain policy decisions.

 

[shull]

 MORNING STAR 

When you have finished that  get your copy of the Socialist Worker.  

[Cornwall_Saint]

4 hours ago, oaksoft said:

I have no doubt that a lot of people have suffered needlessly because of certain policy decisions.

 

This is the issue many of us have against the Tories - the suffering of the innocent is not worth any price.

3 hours ago, shull said:

 MORNING STAR 

When you have finished that  get your copy of the Socialist Worker.  

Coming from the guy who fawns over Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Katie Hopkins 😂

Do you disagree with me, and believe that the disabled are not being shafted by the Tories?

[shull]

8 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

This is the issue many of us have against the Tories - the suffering of the innocent is not worth any price.

Coming from the guy who fawns over Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Katie Hopkins 😂

Do you disagree with me, and believe that the disabled are not being shafted by the Tories?

I will check the Morning Star for more evidence. 

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

This is the issue many of us have against the Tories - the suffering of the innocent is not worth any price.

 

That's a nice sentiment to have when you are not responsible for doing something about the sheer scale of the numbers who were claiming the old Incapacity Benefit. I would also steer well away from phrases like "the suffering of the innocent" because it's pretty patronising, whether intended or not.

I read (it was wiki though) that at one point over 2.5 million people were claiming it in the UK. By 2011 it was costing £13 billion per year to service all the sickness benefits in Britain. That is a staggering amount. I'm pretty sure that once the GP had signed you off there were no further checks on continuing need. People were just taking the piss with it.

My opinion on disability is largely in line with associated charities. We should be starting from a position of trying to figure out what people can do rather than focus on what they can't do. As a society we fail on this at every level. What we continue to do is patronise these people by sticking them on benefits for life, patting them on the head and fooling ourselves that we have their best interests at heart. As one disabled campaigner once rightly said "It's not our impairment which disables us. It's society which does it" and that covers a multitude of sins such as "inspiration porn" as another disabled campaigner recently complained about on the BBC front page through to wheelchair ramps on kerbs which are not flush with the ground. If society really wants to help these people we could do our bit to allow disabled people to seamlessly integrate with the rest of us in work, sport and leisure wherever possible.

[DougJamie]

2 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

This is the issue many of us have against the Tories - the suffering of the innocent is not worth any price.

Coming from the guy who fawns over Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Katie Hopkins 😂

Do you disagree with me, and believe that the disabled are not being shafted by the Tories?

Cornwall, do you never learn ?

He will follow whoever winds people up on here the most

 

Which is why he is a die hard bluenose

[Tommy]

Cadogan House in Glasgow city centre where disable people go for benefit assessment doesn't even have a disable ramp for wheelchairs. Wheelchair users have to wait till the doorman see you for him to bring out temp ramps for entry. Same again when leaving building.

[Bud the Baker]

54 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

That's a nice sentiment to have when you are not responsible for doing something about the sheer scale of the numbers who were claiming the old Incapacity Benefit. I would also steer well away from phrases like "the suffering of the innocent" because it's pretty patronising, whether intended or not.

I read (it was wiki though) that at one point over 2.5 million people were claiming it in the UK. By 2011 it was costing £13 billion per year to service all the sickness benefits in Britain. That is a staggering amount. I'm pretty sure that once the GP had signed you off there were no further checks on continuing need. People were just taking the piss with it.

My opinion on disability is largely in line with associated charities. We should be starting from a position of trying to figure out what people can do rather than focus on what they can't do. As a society we fail on this at every level. What we continue to do is patronise these people by sticking them on benefits for life, patting them on the head and fooling ourselves that we have their best interests at heart. As one disabled campaigner once rightly said "It's not our impairment which disables us. It's society which does it" and that covers a multitude of sins such as "inspiration porn" as another disabled campaigner recently complained about on the BBC front page through to wheelchair ramps on kerbs which are not flush with the ground. If society really wants to help these people we could do our bit to allow disabled people to seamlessly integrate with the rest of us in work, sport and leisure wherever possible.

Many people were pushed onto Incapacity Benefit to reduce the headline Unemployment figures - a case of yesterday's wheeze becoming tomorrow's problem.

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J003A study put together by Sheffield University in 2012 set out to establish the real level of unemployment in the UK, given that there has been little change in the published unemployment statistic, we can suppose they still hold relatively true.  The study found:

• For Britain as a whole in April 2012, the new figures point to more than 3.4 million unemployed. This compares to just 1.5 million on the claimant count and 2.5 million according to the Labour Force Survey – the government’s two official measures of unemployment. The difference is attributable to extensive hidden unemployment.
• An estimated 900,000 unemployed have been diverted onto incapacity benefits. These are men and women with health problems who claim incapacity benefits instead of unemployment benefits. They do not represent fraudulent claims.

 

[shull]

29 minutes ago, Tommy said:

Cadogan House in Glasgow city centre where disable people go for benefit assessment doesn't even have a disable ramp for wheelchairs. Wheelchair users have to wait till the doorman see you for him to bring out temp ramps for entry. Same again when leaving building.

Fine now, it has all been levelled and it's ground floor only.. 

[Tommy]

1 hour ago, shull said:

Fine now, it has all been levelled and it's ground floor only.. 

Must have been done within the last year since my visit to the place. 

[Mykey]

Must have been done within the last year since my visit to the place. 

Demolished in the last 9 months

[shull]

Aye