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Boris sure is doing a great job for Indy and Corbyn and Libs. Wonder if when another 20 rebel today that they will get canned. Then clears way to do a deal with the Nazi party under fuhrer Farage.... BJ and JRMogg certainly are taking them in another direction with their no surrender cry. Maybe thats why Wendy Serco is so happy..


On the contrary, I’m against nationalism

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21 minutes ago, Doakes said:

I think politics is an absolute farce designed to divide us and distract us all from the fact that they do very little but talk a lot.... however, if we're "playing the game"...;

If you're an SNP/indy fan - now is probably when you want Sturgeon to push for indyref 2

Assuming we get indy, my main worry is that the next big debate will be "do we keep the monarchy?", which results in a split between republicans vs loyalists, can only end well... 

If you're a Labour fan who supports "remain", you want them to use this opportunity to stop Brexit by any means possible

If you're a Labour fan who supports "leave", well, you're probably not much of a Labour fan any longer and questioning where your loyalties lie

If you're a Tory, you're probably confused and don't know what to believe

They've managed to divide us good and proper :lol: 

 

 

.One of my many sins is that I lunch with some friends 4 of whom who happen to be Tory Activists. 

The four  of them voted brexit party at the european elections.

I asked what the local MP was doing during the summer break and was told that he was taking a holiday and then preparing for an election campaign. 

 

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.One of my many sins is that I lunch with some friends 4 of whom who happen to be Tory Activists. 
The four  of them voted brexit party at the european elections.
I asked what the local MP was doing during the summer break and was told that he was taking a holiday and then preparing for an election campaign. 
 


Aye, OK Dicko. :D

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20 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

.One of my many sins is that I lunch with some friends 4 of whom who happen to be Tory Activists. 

The four  of them voted brexit party at the european elections.

I asked what the local MP was doing during the summer break and was told that he was taking a holiday and then preparing for an election campaign. 

Do they talk about how much they dislike the poor over a bowl of caviar?:P

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42 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

.One of my many sins is that I lunch with some friends 4 of whom who happen to be Tory Activists. 

The four  of them voted brexit party at the european elections.

I asked what the local MP was doing during the summer break and was told that he was taking a holiday and then preparing for an election campaign. 

 

I don't think having a lunch is a sin ?

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1 hour ago, Wendy Saintss said:

 


I was jesting in my previous posts, albeit, the benefits I outlined could well turn out to be true.

The opposition are not united in their anti Brexit stance by any stretch of the imagination.

And the entire pro Brexit vote does not necessarily want no deal.

It’s been Boris’ plan to win an election all along.

And securing a no deal Brexit or stopping Brexit isn’t going to help the SNP’s cause. It would be better for them if Boris won.

 

Absolutely a no deal would help the SNP cause but a GE would be to them an opportunity to secure a big mandate for a further Indy vote and lets face it the Tories are going to be all but run out of Scotland seats wise if there is a GE (max 3 imo). I'm far from convinced Johnson will be able to force a GE and I now think the most likely outcome is a deal for a far softer Brexit  although it can't be May's deal so the impasse ain't going away anytime soon.  As I said the opposition are now driving the bus (assuming the Tories do blackball the rebels - seems suicidal to me). 

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Lab are going to crash in any GE, either squeezed by Libs on the Remain, or Tories on the Leave. They still have no clue what they are. Some Lab clown last night said they are Remain and they will go over to Brussels to discuss new Brexit Strategy ? Eh ?? 25% in the Polls and falling

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31 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

MP Kenneth Clark saying this is the most right wing government in the history of the Tory party that's not even in control of its self. That is some statement coming from a Tory. 

Hmmm- Maggie was pretty right wing

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1 hour ago, Doakes said:

Do they talk about how much they dislike the poor over a bowl of caviar?:P

They are decent guys. The way they see things is different to mine and they know it. No caviar is involved. The local MP is tory. He has done a good job as a constituency MP but is unlikely to retain his seat. Reason.. His support for the party line on brexit. 

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5 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

They are decent guys. The way they see things is different to mine and they know it. No caviar is involved. The local MP is tory. He has done a good job as a constituency MP but is unlikely to retain his seat. Reason.. His support for the party line on brexit. 

My son is just moving on campus at Stirling for his 2nd year. Will he become a Tory ?

 

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1 minute ago, DougJamie said:

My son is just moving on campus at Stirling for his 2nd year. Will he become a Tory ?

 

Somehow I doubt it if he isn't one already. I have so far avoided "contamination" Not too many miner's sons finish up in the tory party. 

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7 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

They are decent guys. The way they see things is different to mine and they know it. No caviar is involved. The local MP is tory. He has done a good job as a constituency MP but is unlikely to retain his seat. Reason.. His support for the party line on brexit. 

A lot of tories can't win tbf... If they rebel, lose jobs. Don't rebel but go against the majority of their constituents, voted out, lose jobs. 

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38 minutes ago, DougJamie said:

Lab are going to crash in any GE, either squeezed by Libs on the Remain, or Tories on the Leave. They still have no clue what they are. Some Lab clown last night said they are Remain and they will go over to Brussels to discuss new Brexit Strategy ? Eh ?? 25% in the Polls and falling

A poll l saw put labour at 18% . You get constituencys like Pontefract which is labour and 70% leave they aren't going to vote Tory but l suspect they won't vote for labour

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5 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

Question. If there is a general election will any party stand on remain as their policy? 

Lib Dem and Green will.

SNP to an extent but it depends what they put first, Remain or Indy. Either way SNP look in good shape to obliterate the competition as they did in 2015.

Lib Dem and Green will do well in Remain areas elsewhere, but ideally they need to make a pact and pull out of constituencies to help the other for the sake of Remain. Likewise it wouldn’t surprise me if the Brexit Party aimed for similar with the Tories - but expecting the Tories to withdraw from some areas is questionable. The Leave cause would benefit from it, but Tory arrogance makes it unlikely. Something that’s maybe a potential problem with Lib Dem too, although I could see them at the very least pulling out of Brighton and Bristol to help the Greens.

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4 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

 


No, I’m not a nationalist.

I voted remain and no in the referendums

 

So how would you describe yourself? A globalist? Would you object to sovereignty being more passed to Brussels in the future? If not, would you then a be a European Nationalist? 

Not having a pop, labeling like this has always confused me. You see folk use "nationalist" as some sort of dirty word. Personally wouldn't say I'm a nationalist, but I do believe in less government, and localisation of power

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4 minutes ago, Doakes said:

So how would you describe yourself? A globalist? Would you object to sovereignty being more passed to Brussels in the future? If not, would you then a be a European Nationalist? 

Not having a pop, labeling like this has always confused me. You see folk use "nationalist" as some sort of dirty word. Personally wouldn't say I'm a nationalist, but I do believe in less government, and localisation of power

About 20 years ago I was amusing myself whilst working at a business school. One of my pet topics was Globalisation v Localisation. I was predicting a move towards people wanting to take more power locally and with this a change in both the political and social structures. Also in the way that individual topics, rather than idealogy would need different approaches to stakeholder management, a growth in the number of parties and interesting times! And I was paid well for it! 

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