oaksoft Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 As for today's talk by Corbyn, he needs to realise that all this shrieking about governing for the many and not for the few is pretty useless unless he can give some actual details about how he plans to achieve it. How exactly is he going to force Amazon and the like to pay their taxes without it costing UK-based jobs? He needs to move Labour from a protest group to a serious political alternative if he wants the chance to actually govern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, oaksoft said: This sort of thing is how elections are lost. The Tories have governed the UK almost without a break for as long as most of us have been alive and the NHS is still there. Nobody is buying into the idea that suddenly the NHS will disappear if the Tories win. It's not going to be seen as a serious message and opposition parties need to stop treating voters as though they are stupid. Have you noticed that the moderate wing of the party has largely been purged or resigned over the last year, with another, Nicky Morgan, going today, any "moderates" left are prioritising their careers. The four senior Govt. posts are held by a chancer, a speculator and two neoliberals from Britannia Unchained, the NHS is most definitely not safe in their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: This sort of thing is how elections are lost. The Tories have governed the UK almost without a break for as long as most of us have been alive and the NHS is still there. Nobody is buying into the idea that suddenly the NHS will disappear if the Tories win. It's not going to be seen as a serious message and opposition parties need to stop treating voters as though they are stupid. The NHS is still here - for now. Yet in the past few years more and more of it has been sold off, staff complain of being overworked more than they’ve ever been as staff shortages increase all the time, and some have seen local GPs and other NHS services close down. Indeed GP appointments are getting harder to come by. In my own experience, an operation I received without bother 5/6 years ago is now one I have to wait for the issue to become “more serious” due to all the cuts. Add in the Brexit pish leaving the UK open to abuse from others when negotiating trade deals...the NHS most definitely is not in any way safe under the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Slartibartfast said: 3 hours ago, oaksoft said: This sort of thing is how elections are lost. The Tories have governed the UK almost without a break for as long as most of us have been alive and the NHS is still there. Nobody is buying into the idea that suddenly the NHS will disappear if the Tories win. It's not going to be seen as a serious message and opposition parties need to stop treating voters as though they are stupid. IIRC, the US have already made clear that opening up the NHS to competition will be needed for a trade deal with them. And IIRC the UK have categorically stated that the NHS is not up for grabs. I don't trust anyone on this issue because everyone has skin in the game and all of them are trying to manipulate voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: Have you noticed that the moderate wing of the party has largely been purged or resigned over the last year, with another, Nicky Morgan, going today, any "moderates" left are prioritising their careers. The four senior Govt. posts are held by a chancer, a speculator and two neoliberals from Britannia Unchained, the NHS is most definitely not safe in their hands. Yes I have. I'm also aware the Think Tanks come from all political persuasions, pay all sorts of politicians and make all sorts of outrageous claims. Until I see some actual evidence of the politicians you mention talking or doing anything about the NHS in the manner you are worried about, I'm going to, at least temporarily, file all this stuff under fear mongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cornwall_Saint said: The NHS is still here - for now. Yet in the past few years more and more of it has been sold off, staff complain of being overworked more than they’ve ever been as staff shortages increase all the time, and some have seen local GPs and other NHS services close down. Indeed GP appointments are getting harder to come by. In my own experience, an operation I received without bother 5/6 years ago is now one I have to wait for the issue to become “more serious” due to all the cuts. Add in the Brexit pish leaving the UK open to abuse from others when negotiating trade deals...the NHS most definitely is not in any way safe under the Tories. Which bits have been sold off? Edited October 31, 2019 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, cockles1987 said: Take Matt Hancock for example, the Health Secretary who has recieved numerous donations from, I'll let you decide what you'd call these sort of folk that want to privatise our NHS. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-privatisation-donations-matt-hancock-health-secretary-institute-economic-affairs-a8442001.html%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/big-tobacco-funding-conservatives-nhs-hancock-raab-davis-a8916561.html%3famp Think tanks are everywhere - both left and right. The time to start worrying is when politicians start talking about running down the NHS, not when Think Tanks start blabbing all manner of shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, oaksoft said: And IIRC the UK have categorically stated that the NHS is not up for grabs. I don't trust anyone on this issue because everyone has skin in the game and all of them are trying to manipulate voters. I nearly pished myself laughing there. I remember the UK saying that the only certain way to stay in the EU was to vote against Independence. Also, looking at the info on the link below, it would seem that a lot of the NHS has indeed aleardy been up for grabs. http://www.patients4nhs.org.uk/how-is-the-nhs-being-privatised/ Edited October 31, 2019 by FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 I know we disagree a lot on here oakstur but I never thought you were as gullible as these 4 posts make you appear? And IIRC the UK have categorically stated that the NHS is not up for grabs. I don't trust anyone on this issue because everyone has skin in the game and all of them are trying to manipulate voters. Yes I have. I'm also aware the Think Tanks come from all political persuasions, pay all sorts of politicians and make all sorts of outrageous claims. Until I see some actual evidence of the politicians you mention talking or doing anything about the NHS in the manner you are worried about, I'm going to, at least temporarily, file all this stuff under fear mongering. Which bits have been sold off? Think tanks are everywhere - both left and right. The time to start worrying is when politicians start talking about running down the NHS, not when Think Tanks start blabbing all manner of shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 hours ago, oaksoft said: Which bits have been sold off? What do you think the real purpose of the Health and Social Care Act 2012 was actually about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, theknickerwetter said: Thank you for providing the depths of how low Johnson and the Tories will go to pretend they care about Scotland. That money for the Scottish farmers? Here’s the actual truth behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 Interesting title Johnson destroys snp on fisheries.Johnson described our wonderful fisheries and marine life then explained that Westminster was now in charge of them, not Brussels.So either way, he's saying Scotland isn't having control of its own resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 The fatcat millionaire banker today claiming that the majority of people in Scotland support Scexit Deluded 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanleySaint Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 Majority of Scots certainly don't support right wing tories taking the piss but here we are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 1, 2019 Report Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 10:19 PM, TPAFKATS said: I know we disagree a lot on here oakstur but I never thought you were as gullible as these 4 posts make you appear? Gullible? Which part of "I don't trust any of them" did you not get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oaksoft Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 10:37 PM, Cornwall_Saint said: What do you think the real purpose of the Health and Social Care Act 2012 was actually about? Come on CS, that doesn't answer my question. What bits of the NHS have been sold off that you have a problem with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Come on CS, that doesn't answer my question. What bits of the NHS have been sold off that you have a problem with? That wasn't your original question. Edited November 2, 2019 by FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 hours ago, FTOF said: That wasn't your original question. In England or here? In England lets say for example Pediatric service at Bristol NHS Trust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: What a bawbag. Boris I mean not you IOBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 37 minutes ago, insaintee said: In England or here? In England lets say for example Pediatric service at Bristol NHS Trust Which private firm now runs the pediatric services at the BNT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 57 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Which private firm now runs the pediatric services at the BNT? Don't know why do you look it up your self, Next time I speak with the Chief Consultant I'll ask him. Might be Virgin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 I'll throw this in here as it seems to be the de facto election thread - the Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party are having to use up their stockpile of Ruth Davidson leaflets for the GE - embarrassing... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50256180 Quote Nicola Sturgeon was at her favourite sport. Lampooning Jackson Carlaw. Why, she asked the interim Tory leader, had his party taken to generating election leaflets with a backbencher on display? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeabuddy Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 Great turnout in George Square for the independence rally today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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