Big Boris, Our Prime Minister

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https://www.effiedeans.com/2019/12/the-snp-are-unaware-of-scale-of-their.html

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7793275/amp/DOUGLAS-MURRAY-Britains-divide-ugly-intolerant-Left-rest-us.html

[smcc]

On 12/14/2019 at 9:29 AM, Ice-tears said:

So being told the 1st referendum was a once in a generation vote was just a lie? Is Sturgeon going to have a 3rd vote if she loses a 2nd? Hopefully Boris continues to say no as is his right. The people of Scotland voted NO. What part of that do you or Sturgeon no understand?

 

Alex Salmond said that it was a once in a generation opportunity! 

[smcc]

On 12/14/2019 at 10:15 AM, Ice-tears said:

Im sure Boris gives a feck that people in Scotland are protesting🤣🤣🤣🤣he doesnt even know where Scotland is...😯😯

And you think he is fit to be Prime Minister of the UK!

[salmonbuddie]

Definitely, the people of Britain voted him and his party into power. The majority of Great Britain want him and the Tories in power.

And that, folks, is why we need to change.

[Bud the Baker]

1 hour ago, smcc said:

And you think he is fit to be Prime Minister of the UK!

The election was won when BJ ditched the DUP and the right to use the second half of his parties full name, I suggest it should now be  - Unionist till it's inconvenient..

Labour's position on Brexit was designed to please party activists it might have looked pretty clever to the cabal who ran the party but it was irrelevant to working class folk who feel disempowered - the Labour Party and the Left in general have failed to convince enough working class folk that the people who have reduced their standard of living in the years since the 2008 financial crisis are not the Poles working beside them but the companies employing them and their lickspittle Tory politicians who have conspired to disempower them.

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As for the Scotland & the  SNP I fully agree with their narrative - that Brexit was a significant change from the agenda on which IndyRef1 was fought, that "THE PLEDGE" to deliver more powers to Scotland has not been honoured and that in the current Brexit process powers that should be returned to Holyrood are being misappropriated by Westminster.

The Scottish Tories fought last weeks election on a "No to IndyRef2" platform and lost votes and seats and no matter what BJ says the real reason they're not willing to endorse IndyRef2 is that they're "frit".

I am confident that the momentum is on our side - FREE BY 23!

Edited December 15, 2019 by Bud the Baker

[smcc]

 

1 hour ago, smcc said:

And you think he is fit to be Prime Minister of the UK!

 

1 hour ago, Ice-tears said:

Definitely, the people of Britain voted him and his party into power. The majority of Great Britain want him and the Tories in power.

My question was whether he is FIT to be Prime Minister, not whether he won the election. You are ducking and diving just like him.

[Russian Saint]

The election was won when BJ ditched the DUP and the right to use the second half of his parties full name, I suggest it should now be  - Unionist till it's inconvenient..
Labour's position on Brexit was designed to please party activists it might have looked pretty clever to the cabal who ran the party but it was irrelevant to working class folk who feel disempowered - the Labour Party and the Left in general have failed to convince enough working class folk that the people who have reduced their standard of living in the years since the 2008 financial crisis are not the Poles working beside them but the companies employing them and their lickspittle Tory politicians who have conspired to disempower them.
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As for the Scotland & the  SNP I fully agree with their narrative - that Brexit was a significant change from the agenda on which IndyRef1 was fought, that "THE PLEDGE" to deliver more powers to Scotland has not been honoured and that in the current Brexit process powers that should be returned to Holyrood are being misappropriated by Westminster.
The Scottish Tories fought last weeks election on a "No to IndyRef2" platform and lost votes and seats and no matter what BJ says the real reason they're not willing to endorse IndyRef2 is that they're "frit".
I am confident that the momentum is on our side - FREE BY 23!

Twenty’s plenty [emoji87]

[oaksoft]

15 hours ago, Russian Saint said:

No one really knows what will happen once we’re out of the EU. Sure, so called experts have said that we’ll be worse off, medical shortages etc.
A lot may depend on if we leave with a deal or not.
What if. We (the UK) leave the EU and the doomsday scenario doesn’t happen? What if within a year the UK is in a better place and prospering? If that happens, where would that leave the SNP. Could it be that’s why Sturgeon is pushing now for another referendum?
There’s a lot of things Sturgeon and other members of the SNP have been challenged on (Piers Morgan in particular) that she/they couldn’t answer.
1. It was stated that the SNP would wish to stick with Sterling and not the Euro.
1. Hard border with England.

Interesting times ahead but I believe if things go well after Brexit, there may not be the same appetite for another referendum.

I think the SNP are keen for it to happen next year so that a Yes vote makes it easier to remain in the EU rather than having to re-apply once we are out.

You ask a good question though. People talk about Boris being hardcore right wing but actually that's not his position at all. Historically he's been pretty left/central on things. I remember him doing all sorts of decent things when mayor of London for example. Like him or loathe him, trust him or don't trust him but you cannot deny he is a very charismatic and unbelievably positive person.

If his premiership turns out to be good the SNP have a serious problem. IMO the approach either way should be that Scotland's decisions should be in Scotland's hands. There should be absolutely no "Escape Boris" approach whatsoever because that is a hostage to events.

[shull]

John Hannah, renowned for keeping bad company.  

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, D.F.Riley said:

 

It's dissapointing that we are leaving the EU but people need to calm the f**k down with this nonsense.

[Cornwall_Saint]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

It's dissapointing that we are leaving the EU but people need to calm the f**k down with this nonsense.

Matters aren’t helped though when the elected PM has a history of insulting various kinds of people, from black children, Muslims, Scots and whoever else he’s decided to offend.

The thing is, many have been quick to blame immigrants for everything (lack of housing, GP spaces, school spaces) and few actually stand up for them and point out that immigrants contribute just as much in tax and NI as the rest of the people here.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Definitely, the people of Britain voted him and his party into power. The majority of Great Britain want him and the Tories in power.

Majority?
Yet snp doesn't have a mandate for another independence referendum?

[DougJamie]

 1 in 5 Scots voted for Boris,  almost 1 in 2 voted for SNP and our own voice...……….

SNP are not going away , Boris says no, we simply mean a majority win for the SNPs in next years Scottish Elections...……..

Its great being a Stubborn Scot fed up with Eton telling us what we can and cant have 

[Guest TPAFKATS]

 1 in 5 Scots voted for Boris,  almost 1 in 2 voted for SNP and our own voice...……….
SNP are not going away , Boris says no, we simply mean a majority win for the SNPs in next years Scottish Elections...……..
Its great being a Stubborn Scot fed up with Eton telling us what we can and cant have 

How many elections do snp need to win? Just one more?

[Cornwall_Saint]

1 hour ago, TPAFKATS said:

Majority?
Yet snp doesn't have a mandate for another independence referendum?

SNP Vote Share in Scotland - 45%
Tory Vote Share In UK - 43%
 

The SNP have a bigger mandate for Indyref2 than the Tories have for Brexit.

[oaksoft]

4 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Matters aren’t helped though when the elected PM has a history of insulting various kinds of people, from black children, Muslims, Scots and whoever else he’s decided to offend.

The thing is, many have been quick to blame immigrants for everything (lack of housing, GP spaces, school spaces) and few actually stand up for them and point out that immigrants contribute just as much in tax and NI as the rest of the people here.

So because Johnson makes racist comments, that gives people like Hannah the right to brand a whole tranche of society as racists?

Sorry but that's not a reasonable response.

[Cornwall_Saint]

1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

So because Johnson makes racist comments, that gives people like Hannah the right to brand a whole tranche of society as racists?

Sorry but that's not a reasonable response.

12 million people have voted in a PM who is a known racist, endorsed by fellow racists Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Katie Hopkins.

I agree it’s wrong to label everyone with the same brush, but there’s certainly a problem when this type of person can become the leader of a country.

[Bud the Baker]

22 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

So because Johnson makes racist comments, that gives people like Hannah the right to brand a whole tranche of society as racists?

Sorry but that's not a reasonable response.

The left have to ask themselves the question "If BJ is so bad,why did so many people vote for him/the Tories?". Jeremy Corbyn said on many occasions that his style was about listening but there's little evidence to suggest that was more than a slogan. 

Listening to people's worries doesn't mean accepting them but taking the smug line adopted by Hannah & Hilary Clinton  that they're simply "racists" & "deplorables" won't work and is incompatible with the ethos of inclusivity that the left is supposed to be about, it's up to the left to argue that immigration benefits society - something NS has done frequently.

As I've said previously the "ever so clever" fudge that just about kept all the Labour factions in the tent didn't "speak to the many, just a few party activists". 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Bud the Baker

[Cornwall_Saint]

53 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

The left have to ask themselves the question "If BJ is so bad,why did so many people vote for him/the Tories?". 

“Brexit means Brexit”

”Corbyn is a terrorist because The Sun/Daily Mail/Daily Express said so”

”Corbyn hates the Jews because -as above-“

”Johnson is funny and has personality”

”Johnson said he won’t sell the NHS so I believe him because he wouldn’t lie”

”We can have £350m from not giving money to the EU so we can use it on the NHS and stuff now”

”Things are getting worse so I trust the Tories to fix them even though they’ve been in power for 9 years”

“I’m a turkey who loves Christmas”

”Boris will get Brexit done”

”Socialism is terrible and means we will be communists even though it works for Sweden/New Zealand/Norway etc”

Take your pick, each reason is a facepalm moment. Living down here I’ve had a couple of people in my cab (I’m not shull) citing Brexit pish and their dislike of Corbyn because they actually believe the ridiculous smears against him.

[jaybee]

2 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

5 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

Majority?
Yet snp doesn't have a mandate for another independence referendum?

SNP Vote Share in Scotland - 45%
Tory Vote Share In UK - 43%
 

The SNP have a bigger mandate for Indyref2 than the Tories have for Brexit.

Yes but they have had their 'once in generation vote' and separatism was rejected, so now in a similar manner to the remain camp in Engerlund, another vote is neede. well all I can say is that was fricking short generation.  😎

[jaybee]

2 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

So because Johnson makes racist comments, that gives people like Hannah the right to brand a whole tranche of society as racists?

Sorry but that's not a reasonable response.

12 million people have voted in a PM who is a known racist, endorsed by fellow racists Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Katie Hopkins.

I agree it’s wrong to label everyone with the same brush, but there’s certainly a problem when this type of person can become the leader of a country.

And what was Corbyn  a communist a defeatist an IRA sympathiser, a fantasist in reality, all Politicians lie when you get to be an adult you should remember that and the wee SNP bitch will lie just the same to get what she wants.

[oaksoft]

2 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

The left have to ask themselves the question "If BJ is so bad,why did so many people vote for him/the Tories?". Jeremy Corbyn said on many occasions that his style was about listening but there's little evidence to suggest that was more than a slogan. 

Listening to people's worries doesn't mean accepting them but taking the smug line adopted by Hannah & Hilary Clinton  that they're simply "racists" & "deplorables" won't work and is incompatible with the ethos of inclusivity that the left is supposed to be about, it's up to the left to argue that immigration benefits society - something NS has done frequently.

As I've said previously the "ever so clever" fudge that just about kept all the Labour factions in the tent didn't "speak to the many, just a few party activists". 

Exactly. The left need to do a bit less talking and a lot more listening and thinking.

 

[oaksoft]

2 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

12 million people have voted in a PM who is a known racist, endorsed by fellow racists Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Katie Hopkins.

I agree it’s wrong to label everyone with the same brush, but there’s certainly a problem when this type of person can become the leader of a country.

I agree but like it or not, the left need to attract a substantial number of these Tory voters back if they ever wish to lead the country.

Calling them racists is a f**king stupid strategy.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Yes but they have had their 'once in generation vote' and separatism was rejected, so now in a similar manner to the remain camp in Engerlund, another vote is neede. well all I can say is that was fricking short generation.  [emoji41]

This is from the Edinburgh agreement for the 2014 referendum. Seems clear, no mention of once in a generation?