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4 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Usual avoidance. :lol:

1) What, exactly, is that meant to mean?

2) Big deal. 

1) I thought you were typing in your usual pigeon English. "The worst us over".

2) You obviously thought it a big deal that people were working throughout. I was merely pointing out that I was one who had to continue working due to the nature of my work.

I avoided nothing. If some idiots want to put themselves at risk, that's there responsibility. 

For a Government to try to force kids to school simply so they can try to force people to put themselves in harms way is despicable.

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2 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

1) I thought you were typing in your usual pigeon English. "The worst us over".

2) You obviously thought it a big deal that people were working throughout. I was merely pointing out that I was one who had to continue working due to the nature of my work.

I avoided nothing. If some idiots want to put themselves at risk, that's there responsibility. 

For a Government to try to force kids to school simply so they can try to force people to put themselves in harms way is despicable.

Kids are already at school, do you live in a cave?

People are already working, why should't other people return to work? 

Tell us, how long do you think kids should stay off school, not avoiding the damage that's doing to them, and when should people return to work, not avoiding the longer people don't work the already considerable total of people losing their jobs would go through the roof?

Cannie wait for this.

Oh, the WORST is over, get over yourself. 

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19 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Kids are already at school, do you live in a cave?

People are already working, why should't other people return to work? 

Tell us, how long do you think kids should stay off school, not avoiding the damage that's doing to them, and when should people return to work, not avoiding the longer people don't work the already considerable total of people losing their jobs would go through the roof?

Cannie wait for this.

Oh, the WORST is over, get over yourself. 

What a nightmare being in govenment trying to deal with COVID-19. There is virtually no decision you can make that you will not be hung out to try.

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18 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

What a nightmare being in govenment trying to deal with COVID-19. There is virtually no decision you can make that you will not be hung out to try.

That is correct, going back to schools returning the evidence points to children having a higher resistance to Covid than adults, it's the ancillary issues of teaching and all the support staff returning to work in conditions where social distancing is not always possible and before the Trak'n'Trace system has been properly sorted that seems the main problem to me.

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39 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Kids are already at school, do you live in a cave?

People are already working, why should't other people return to work? 

Tell us, how long do you think kids should stay off school, not avoiding the damage that's doing to them, and when should people return to work, not avoiding the longer people don't work the already considerable total of people losing their jobs would go through the roof?

Cannie wait for this.

Oh, the WORST is over, get over yourself. 

Until the 11th of August.

Even then, there is not a chance in hell that social distancing will be able to be implemented in schools.

Having been party to several meetings over the past few days, it has become clear that the authorities and the schools themselves don't have clue how they are going to make anything work within the current safety guidelines in schools, in August, never mind June.

There could be far greater damage done to the pupils, their families, school staff and society in general, by rushing them back with no robust plans in place, than keeping them off for a couple of months.

 

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1 minute ago, FTOF said:

Until the 11th of August.

Even then, there is not a chance in hell that social distancing will be able to be implemented in schools.

Having been party to several meetings over the past few days, it has become clear that the authorities and the schools themselves don't have clue how they are going to make anything work within the safety guidelines in schools, in August, never mind June.

There could be far greater damage done to the pupils, their families, school staff and society in general, by rushing them back with no robust plans in place, than keeping them off for a couple of months.

 

It's an easier answer in Scotland, the school year is almost over, not so in England.

As I've already said, schools have been operating, albeit on a very low ratio of children/teachers.

Nothing, until a vaccine is available, will be 100% safe, as is the case with any "normal" dangers that exist in society.

If any pupils, teachers or other staff have any underlying conditions, keep them safe and away from mixing. 

As for far greater damage, indeed, but a very very slim chance.

I would suggest more danger from road traffic. 

Don't misunderstand me, I, as I'd assume everybody, have some concerns but things will have to move, in some way, and soon.  

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14 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Until the 11th of August.

Even then, there is not a chance in hell that social distancing will be able to be implemented in schools.

Having been party to several meetings over the past few days, it has become clear that the authorities and the schools themselves don't have clue how they are going to make anything work within the current safety guidelines in schools, in August, never mind June.

There could be far greater damage done to the pupils, their families, school staff and society in general, by rushing them back with no robust plans in place, than keeping them off for a couple of months.

 

All the schools are back in Denmark why can't we get them back in August ?

In Denmark there has been no issues so far ?

We need to get to a "new" normal very soon or parents won't have jobs ?

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8 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

It's an easier answer in Scotland, the school year is almost over, not so in England.

As I've already said, schools have been operating, albeit on a very low ratio of children/teachers.

Nothing, until a vaccine is available, will be 100% safe, as is the case with any "normal" dangers that exist in society.

If any pupils, teachers or other staff have any underlying conditions, keep them safe and away from mixing. 

As for far greater damage, indeed, but a very very slim chance.

I would suggest more danger from road traffic. 

Don't misunderstand me, I, as I'd assume everybody, have some concerns but things will have to move, in some way, and soon.  

Of course, if there's a robust plan in place.

Given my experiences over the past few weeks, there can't possibly be such a plan in place for schools to go back as early as June.

It would seem that the majority of councils in England agree with me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52758363

The quote below sums it up.

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Meanwhile Unison, which represents many school support staff, said members had little confidence in government reassurances that English schools will be safe to open to more pupils from 1 June.

An overwhelming 96% of 42,000 teaching assistants, cleaners, technicians and office staff surveyed by the union, said they felt ministers had not put safety first in their reopening plans.

 

I asked the question of what was the level of provision of PPE for staff when we go back. "We don't know" was the answer. Unsurprisingly this was quite a common answer. As long as there are "Don't know" answers to important questions, nobody should be stepping foot back into their place of work.

I'll be back in work in June and none of the questions I asked were able to be answered.

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7 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

All the schools are back in Denmark why can't we get them back in August ?

In Denmark there has been no issues so far ?

We need to get to a "new" normal very soon or parents won't have jobs ?

Scotland (or UK) isn't Denmark.

Denmark's lockdown started at the right time and relatively few lives were lost, compared to our sorry state.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-20/how-denmark-sent-children-safely-back-to-school/

I had to laugh at the thought of a school in the UK employing an extra 30% of staff to boost teacher numbers in order to allow the classes to be taught. You can't even get sufficient supply staff when you need them. 

Not.Going.To.Happen.

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1 minute ago, FTOF said:

Of course, if there's a robust plan in place.

Given my experiences over the past few weeks, there can't possibly be such a plan in place for schools to go back as early as June.

It would seem that the majority of councils in England agree with me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52758363

The quote below sums it up.

I asked the question of what was the level of provision of PPE for staff when we go back. "We don't know" was the answer. Unsurprisingly this was quite a common answer. As long as there are "Don't know" answers to important questions, nobody should be stepping foot back into their place of work.

I'll be back in work in June and none of the questions I asked were able to be answered.

We're losing sight of the actual risk.

Other people have been working throughout and have managed to put a robust plan in place, no reason schools can't.

I'm not really wanting to go over old ground, and I'm not concentrating on schools.

 

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10 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Scotland isn't Denmark.

Yes I get that but if Denmark is agile enough in its thinking and can adapt then why not Scotland. Don't think there are any excuses tbh.

Given all the evidence from Denmark I think the Scottish government is more than correct to put a date of 11th August to get things in place.

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1 minute ago, lenziebud said:

Yes I get that but if Denmark is agile enough in its thinking and can adapt then why not Scotland. Don't think there are any excuses tbh.

Given that all the evidence from Denmark I think the Scottish government is more than correct to put a date of 11th August to get things in place.

So do I.

I think it's eminently sensible, unlike the June date in England.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Scotland isn't Denmark.

Denmark's lockdown started at the right time and relatively few lives were lost, compared to our sorry state.

That's not relevant. 

What is relevant is our rates on fatalities and cases which are, IMO, slightly on the high side, but are, again IMO, well past the peak and heading down but I happen to think the UK government has moved a tad too soon. (Whatever a tad means)

There is no right time for some people. 

 

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4 minutes ago, FTOF said:

So do I.

I think it's eminently sensible, unlike the June date in England.

 

 

As I've said, an easy decision as schools on Scotland finish mid/late June anyway.

Scotlands schools were never going to start in June  for that reason alone. 

I'm not sure August would be the start date in Scotland if that were not the case.

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Just now, faraway saint said:

As I've said, an easy decision as schools on Scotland finish mid/late June anyway.

Scotlands schools were never going to start in June  for that reason alone. 

I'm not sure August would be the start date in Scotland if that were not the case.

The UK government could have altered the pattern of holidays for England. Another couple of weeks wouldn't have made a difference.

 

 

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Just now, FTOF said:

The UK government could have altered the pattern of holidays for England. Another couple of weeks wouldn't have made a difference.

 

 

 

They could have tried, but I'd imagine there would have been a meltdown from teachers? :rolleyes:

Anyhow, it's not all about schools/teachers. :wink:

 

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10 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

 

They could have tried, but I'd imagine there would have been a meltdown from teachers? :rolleyes:

Anyhow, it's not all about schools/teachers. :wink:

 

I'm losing almost a week*, but I can see the bigger picture.

Although, if I'd booked a holiday and was due back after the 11th, I might not be so pragmatic about the situation.

Plus we'll get it back at some point.:)

*We were due back on the 17th.

 

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Kids are already at school, do you live in a cave?

People are already working, why should't other people return to work? 

Tell us, how long do you think kids should stay off school, not avoiding the damage that's doing to them, and when should people return to work, not avoiding the longer people don't work the already considerable total of people losing their jobs would go through the roof?

Cannie wait for this.

Oh, the WORST is over, get over yourself. 

The kids that are at school are there to allow the essential workers, some who are there saving lives, to go to work. This is crucial to keep those numbers that you keep promoting at a manageable level. Imagine using that as an argument.

Those who aren't deemed essential should be furloughed until

1) the level reduces to an extent where the chance of a resurgence is minimal, difficult to judge,

2) A vaccine is produced, unlikely

or

3)  And probably most practicle, track and trace is up and running.

The English route is purely to do with business with no thought for the workers. Even the observation of protective measures are only guidelines. That in itself should sound alarm bells.

You do sound like the tories  you're defending. If this goes tits up and there needs to be yet more draconian methods put in place for longer periods of time what do you think that will do to the jobs market?

But, hey ho. Why not go the full hog and get the pubs and clubs open? We could have the equivalent of a measles party. You could supply the quiz questions.

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5 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

The kids that are at school are there to allow the essential workers, some who are there saving lives, to go to work. This is crucial to keep those numbers that you keep promoting at a manageable level. Imagine using that as an argument.

Those who aren't deemed essential should be furloughed until

1) the level reduces to an extent where the chance of a resurgence is minimal, difficult to judge,

2) A vaccine is produced, unlikely

or

3)  And probably most practicle, track and trace is up and running.

The English route is purely to do with business with no thought for the workers. Even the observation of protective measures are only guidelines. That in itself should sound alarm bells.

You do sound like the tories  you're defending. If this goes tits up and there needs to be yet more draconian methods put in place for longer periods of time what do you think that will do to the jobs market?

But, hey ho. Why not go the full hog and get the pubs and clubs open? We could have the equivalent of a measles party. You could supply the quiz questions.

You expect the furlough to continue indefinitely? :lol:

You'll be first to start screaming about the inevitable consequences that will bring. 

The level, as I've already said, is a tad high, but close enough that movement could be made. 

Despite you shiting yourself there's little chance, looking at other countries, of any real resurgence but keep saying it, it might come true.

There's no evidence of any countries that have relaxed the measures even coming close to returning to their original lockdown measure never mind this scaremongering draconian methods. 

The "English" route will be in place here in a few weeks, how's that going to sit with you Braveheart? 

I'm not defending anyone, Initially I was pointing out how much of a cnut you are saying Johnson was responsible for killing people. 

As for your last few sentences, sums you up and I'll leave it at that. 

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What are you wittering on about A "tad" high. was it a smidgen last week?

Most other countries established track and trace before opening up slowly. 

BoJo and his cronies have lied all the way through this including the level of testing. they are now claiming that the track and trace will be up and running soon. is that a tad later than tomorrow or maybe a smidgen after Monday?

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Coronavirus: 'Path still not clear' for Scottish schools to reopen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52768706

Coronavirus: Key evidence on opening schools revealed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52770355

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However, there is much uncertainty throughout the advice.

 

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