What Do We Need for Next Season?

[Swiss_Saint]

While I don't disagree that this is money coming in it is £150k a year over 5 years and comes with the giving up of land  previously expected to be sold to hold 21 houses so replacing one income for another as well as naming rights to the stadium.

 

It also equates to 7500 paying punters per year, that takes us 3/4 home games to reach and everything above that is extra earning for us.

Lots of ways to spin a story, why are yours almost always negative LPM?

[Lord Pityme]

8 minutes ago, Swiss_Saint said:

While I don't disagree that this is money coming in it is £150k a year over 5 years and comes with the giving up of land  previously expected to be sold to hold 21 houses so replacing one income for another as well as naming rights to the stadium.

 

It also equates to 7500 paying punters per year, that takes us 3/4 home games to reach and everything above that is extra earning for us.

Lots of ways to spin a story, why are yours almost always negative LPM?

Whats to spin? Hamilton have secured a substantial ongoing additional revenue stream. In three years our biard have failed to nail jist one! Do you believe we will be anything other than the usual suspects for the drop without investment?

if thats a negative take, then address it to those responsible for it being so, i.e. The board and 30% shareholders Smisa.

[Sweeper07]

17 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

County will spend way more than us, without apportioning debt to he club. Look at this one ongoing investment project at Hamilton https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/accies-fc-change-stadium-name-14061941

thats their second main investor in six months, and it sees a partnership that will generate a significant extra income stream for years to come. The board (sorry chairman) at smfc do not want anyone else involved who may have an influence. In the premiership thats simply just not sustainable. Every club needs investment to survive!

You do also remember that they lost £697,257 in a scam and have not recovered any of it... They sold 3 players to help this in 2018 - their last player sold Ferguson went for £239,000 but they signed a load of players on decent money to survive.

They have had to offload big earners to free up finance and spaces for this season - Did you not read that Rice is going to give younger players a chance - what can you read between the lines of this?

You think Livi will have a bigger budget that us ?

[Sweeper07]

2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Whats to spin? Hamilton have secured a substantial ongoing additional revenue stream. In three years our biard have failed to nail jist one! Do you believe we will be anything other than the usual suspects for the drop without investment?

if thats a negative take, then address it to those responsible for it being so, i.e. The board and 30% shareholders Smisa.

During these 3 years have Hamilton improved (1 point off relegation)? - for we certainly have over these 3 years.

Hamilton will have less revenue from attendances than we will etc etc. Watch and see how their financial figures stack up in their next accounts .. . . a year ago they had £460,024 in debts.

N.B. When you only use one tract to make an argument it is not a very good way to argue . . .

[jaybee]

20 hours ago, elvis said:

He has gone.

Now if only !!!!                                 sigh.

[Doakes]

Ladbrokes Premiership
1st - 13.40% - £3,350,000 
2nd - 9.60% - £2,400,000 
3rd - 8.25% - £2,062,500 
4th - 7.25% - £1,812,500 
5th - 6.75% - £1,687,500 
6th - 6.25% - £1,562,500 
7th - 5.75% - £1,437,500 
8th - 5.50% - £1,375,000 
9th - 5.25% - £1,312,500 
10th -5.00% - £1,250,000 
11th - 4.75% - £1,187,500 
12th - 4.50% - £1,125,000 
            
Ladbrokes Championship
1st - 2.25% - £562,500 
2nd - 1.90% - £475,000 
3rd - 1.60% - £400,000 
4th - 1.30% - £325,000 
5th - 1.00% - £250,000 
6th - 0.90% - £225,000 
7th - 0.85% - £212,500 
8th - 0.80% - £200,000 
9th - 0.75% - £187,500 
10th - 0.70% - £175,000 

 

Based on this, we should have significantly more money to invest into our transfer budget than Ross County. That's before you factor in any money from outgoing transfers/McGinn money. We done well to stay up this season, and now reap the financial benefits. Same goes for Livi

[jaybee]

2 hours ago, Sweeper07 said:

2 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

What do we need for next season?

I think you need to ask a more telling question first, like 'Where do we want to be this time next year?' And if its not being relegated..?

then the answer to the first question above is....

INVESTMENT, INVESTMENT, INVESTMENT..!

with Uncle Roy coming back up with his pet project of investing in Ross County, coupled with the investment put into every other club including Hamilton & Livingston we will be chasing our tails yet again trying to compete with probably, if not the lowest budget, not far off it!

we have the only board that do not invest, and when every other board does invest it doesnt take a genius to work out which team, or teams will be fighting relegation again. Until we have investment which could include funds from additional revenue streams, then we will be relegation candidates from the off. Thats just the way of it in the top league.

We are doomed . . . unless we sack Oran and get you to pick the team (since he did not go back to Ireland like you asserted he would) - then we will have no midgets playing up front - especially Danny Mullen who scored the equaliser on Sunday. . .  and are we not already bankrupted because you said we'd only sign 2 or 3 players and we signed 12, and all those huge pay-offs... so yes we are doomed already - let's invest nothing and go down and see if we can recover any of this massive debt we have amassed..

Do you ever read your own posts?   

What have I told you about mocking the afflicted?  Tch, tch, go stand in the corner, oh sorry LPM's already there 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Lord Pityme]

30 minutes ago, Doakes said:

Ladbrokes Premiership
1st - 13.40% - £3,350,000 
2nd - 9.60% - £2,400,000 
3rd - 8.25% - £2,062,500 
4th - 7.25% - £1,812,500 
5th - 6.75% - £1,687,500 
6th - 6.25% - £1,562,500 
7th - 5.75% - £1,437,500 
8th - 5.50% - £1,375,000 
9th - 5.25% - £1,312,500 
10th -5.00% - £1,250,000 
11th - 4.75% - £1,187,500 
12th - 4.50% - £1,125,000 
            
Ladbrokes Championship
1st - 2.25% - £562,500 
2nd - 1.90% - £475,000 
3rd - 1.60% - £400,000 
4th - 1.30% - £325,000 
5th - 1.00% - £250,000 
6th - 0.90% - £225,000 
7th - 0.85% - £212,500 
8th - 0.80% - £200,000 
9th - 0.75% - £187,500 
10th - 0.70% - £175,000 

 

Based on this, we should have significantly more money to invest into our transfer budget than Ross County. That's before you factor in any money from outgoing transfers/McGinn money. We done well to stay up this season, and now reap the financial benefits. Same goes for Livi

Uncle Roy always more than tops up their budget to compete, as do their other investors. 

Not being funny but thete is not one official piece of info suggesting smfc are due any more McGinn transfer split. As far as is actually known that finished with his move ftom Hibs to Villa. If anyone has a factual statement that says othetwise i am sure we would all love to see it.

Livi have lost a couple of their better players so will be interesting to see who they bring in, mind it didnt stop them having 30 better goal difference than us this season gone!

[Doakes]

2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Uncle Roy always more than tops up their budget to compete, as do their other investors. 

Not being funny but thete is not one official piece of info suggesting smfc are due any more McGinn transfer split. As far as is actually known that finished with his move ftom Hibs to Villa. If anyone has a factual statement that says othetwise i am sure we would all love to see it.

Livi have lost a couple of their better players so will be interesting to see who they bring in, mind it didnt stop them having 30 better goal difference than us this season gone!

As far as I know it was being paid up in installments - we received another sum fairly recently. Not sure on whether the promotion increase is true, but it could be if it was part of the same deal.... 

[Sweeper07]

38 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Uncle Roy always more than tops up their budget to compete, as do their other investors. 

Not being funny but thete is not one official piece of info suggesting smfc are due any more McGinn transfer split. As far as is actually known that finished with his move ftom Hibs to Villa. If anyone has a factual statement that says othetwise i am sure we would all love to see it.

Livi have lost a couple of their better players so will be interesting to see who they bring in, mind it didnt stop them having 30 better goal difference than us this season gone!

Great how you know about uncle Roy's finances but expect the confidential contractual agreement on John McGinn to be readily available.

Livi's superior goal difference was reduced since February and you have been told this plenty before - from February onwards we had a better defensive record. Next season they are without their 2 best players, who were the heart of their defence. They have one guy who can stand in, but not in the same quality as the 2 they lost.

How is their finances Mr money expert? Here I will save you the trouble - statement from Livi's Annual Report     "the company's liabilities exceeds its assets by £854,897. To continue operating as a going concern the company requires the continuing financial support of its directors AND other lenders. The total amounts owed to these individuals are £1,008,418.   (does that make £1.85 million in debt?)

Still think we will have the worst budget next season in the Premiership?

These are figures to June 2018 - though  I suspect that they will have improved - I very much doubt that they will be debt free...by any stretch of your imagination

Edited May 29, 2019 by Sweeper07

[Lord Pityme]

24 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:

Says the person who won't provide proof of receiving an email from SMISA

What are you actually on about? Why on earth would i need to prove teally b/disprove anything reagrding my emails to you?

now you see you are smisa, i am not. So its up to you to ensure that full fan ownership is delivered ahead of time, on budget and with the club nestled comfortably in the top six of the premiership. Dont forget to bring on those big investors too, otherwise you will crash and burn on the road to the top six nirvana our chairman has targeted, but not found investment for.

crack on buddy!

[Sweeper07]

5 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

What are you actually on about? Why on earth would i need to prove teally b/disprove anything reagrding my emails to you?

now you see you are smisa, i am not. So its up to you to ensure that full fan ownership is delivered ahead of time, on budget and with the club nestled comfortably in the top six of the premiership. Dont forget to bring on those big investors too, otherwise you will crash and burn on the road to the top six nirvana our chairman has targeted, but not found investment for.

crack on buddy!

How come you spout pi*h and when someone calls you out you don't reply and as if their answers never came to you? Do you not read the replies?

What do you gain from all this nonsense - REALLY ?    😍   You offer next to nothing other that a chance to mock at you stupidity and negativity . . . 

[E=Mc2]

2 hours ago, Swiss_Saint said:

While I don't disagree that this is money coming in it is £150k a year over 5 years and comes with the giving up of land  previously expected to be sold to hold 21 houses so replacing one income for another as well as naming rights to the stadium.

 

It also equates to 7500 paying punters per year, that takes us 3/4 home games to reach and everything above that is extra earning for us.

Lots of ways to spin a story, why are yours almost always negative LPM?

That was the thinking man’s response.

you should have said,

”Are you Tom English is disguise?”

[Sweeper07]

2 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:

I'm sorry if you don't remember writing you had proof of a email regarding a proxy vote you claimed you had given someone.

SMISA have publicly made it known that you sent no email. Now they can't provide any proof of a email that was never sent.

So let's see the actual proof that you've claimed previously you had.

It all comes down to honesty and as you brought up the subject of factuality, now let's see you back it up.

We're in for a long wait.............

Don't hold your breath...

[Ayrshire Saints]

2 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

Uncle Roy always more than tops up their budget to compete, as do their other investors. 

Not being funny but thete is not one official piece of info suggesting smfc are due any more McGinn transfer split. As far as is actually known that finished with his move ftom Hibs to Villa. If anyone has a factual statement that says othetwise i am sure we would all love to see it.

Livi have lost a couple of their better players so will be interesting to see who they bring in, mind it didnt stop them having 30 better goal difference than us this season gone!

You seriously believe that "Uncle Roy" and his merry band of investors (whoever they are) are putting in well over half a million quid a season and that is just to bring them to our prize money level. I very much doubt that !

[Lord Pityme]

1 minute ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

You seriously believe that "Uncle Roy" and his merry band of investors (whoever they are) are putting in well over half a million quid a season and that is just to bring them to our prize money level. I very much doubt that !

They have spent big before,we'll soon see who they sign.

[bazil85]

1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

What are you actually on about? Why on earth would i need to prove teally b/disprove anything reagrding my emails to you?

now you see you are smisa, i am not. So its up to you to ensure that full fan ownership is delivered ahead of time, on budget and with the club nestled comfortably in the top six of the premiership. Dont forget to bring on those big investors too, otherwise you will crash and burn on the road to the top six nirvana our chairman has targeted, but not found investment for.

crack on buddy!

No we won’t, as much as it upsets you that isn’t going to happen. 

[Sweeper07]

Just now, Lord Pityme said:

They have spent big before,we'll soon see who they sign.

Oh and how did that end for them?   (McIntyre McIntyre, Adams etc etc. they bought survival until they fell from grace...)

[Sweeper07]

1 hour ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

You seriously believe that "Uncle Roy" and his merry band of investors (whoever they are) are putting in well over half a million quid a season and that is just to bring them to our prize money level. I very much doubt that !

Looks like they put in £232,000 last year. Whether that's sustainable or not in the longer term is a very real question.

And what are they getting for their give away cash?  I quite like the Ness teams, but did not like the year they bought better in January and survived - I guess Dee and Dee Utd could say this is some way too about us though . . . BOD's need to do what they need to do . . .

Edited May 29, 2019 by Sweeper07

[Sweeper07]

Looking like 12 - 16 players OUT again this window

Something like 14 + to come in / re-sign

 

Difference this time is we have the foundations of a decent team to build upon  

I cannot wait to see how Gus's travels will equip us for next season - starting a lot sooner than we realise...  

[oaksoft]

We should spend what we bring in minus a bit for a rainy day fund.

I really don't know what is so difficult to understand about that.

Let other clubs risk their own futures.

Overspending seems to have worked out REALLY well for Falkirk, Dunfermline, Dundee, Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Partick Thistle.

Edited May 29, 2019 by oaksoft

[Doakes]

23 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

We should spend what we bring in minus a bit for a rainy day fund.

I really don't know what is so difficult to understand about that.

Let other clubs risk their own futures.

Overspending seems to have worked out REALLY well for Falkirk, Dunfermline, Dundee, Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Partick Thistle.

Yeah as much as I think LPM might be right when it comes to Ross County, it's a risky game to play if you go straight back down....

If you take prize money alone... this season County brought in £560K, next season they are guaranteed £1,125,000 minimum, but if they go straight back down it's back to under £600k the following season, possibly as low as 175k if they "did a Falkirk"

Falkirk only won 175K in prize money this season. Can only imagine how bad their figures must look. Really is a dangerous game to spunk too much money away. We can relate as we nearly "done a Falkirk" only a few seasons ago

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

15 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

We should spend what we bring in minus a bit for a rainy day fund.

I really don't know what is so difficult to understand about that.

Let other clubs risk their own futures.

Overspending seems to have worked out REALLY well for Falkirk, Dunfermline, Dundee, Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Partick Thistle.

Morton have financial problems also. Agree with you but we must try and up the income league success, youth players help. Plenty space at the club for specialised classes. Yoga , Palates all growing markets there must be other things the stadium can be used for. 

[Lord Pityme]

Investment does not automatically mean debt. There are plenty investors in clubs who do not make their investment a club debt.
The simple reality is that if you have one of the lowest budgets you are favourites to finish in one of the lowest positions. If you are ok with being relegated then it's not a biggie.

[ALBIONSAINT]

4 hours ago, oaksoft said:

We should spend what we bring in minus a bit for a rainy day fund.

I really don't know what is so difficult to understand about that.

Let other clubs risk their own futures.

Overspending seems to have worked out REALLY well for Falkirk, Dunfermline, Dundee, Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Partick Thistle.

Absolutely. It’s not all about spending big.