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10 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said:

 Give it a couple of defeats and the [mention=2053]kemp[/mention] troll be back with his well worn pitchfork and abusing anyone who doesn’t agree with him

 

 

 

 

Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

 

 

 

This from the OP

 

Gotta love the irony and lack of self awareness in this guy

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5 hours ago, Kemp said:

Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

But has the DOF model failed? 🤫

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On 7/21/2019 at 10:48 AM, Kemp said:

This window at least, having a "Director of Football to ensure stability even if there is a management change" has been a complete failure. This isn't up for debate, the reason for bringing the role in couldn't have been clearer & having lost to a Championship team, failed to beat a non league team and be about to start the season almost without any full backs or wingers it is fairly obvious something has gone wrong.

And before anyone says "wait until the last day of the window"; the season has started and we are heading out a cup which is financially very important to us. Even if we do bring in new players now we are looking at week 4 or 5 before they will have properly formed in to a team.

I understand the thinking behind creating the position and fully supported it, and agreed at the time that Gus seemed to be the man for the job.

Why has it failed then? I would be interested to know how much thought and research went in to creating the role. I found the "Moneyball" talk at the time to be rather cringeworthy, and I do hope there was more research than one trip to the cinema for entertainment. Comparing ourselves to clubs like Southampton, which I saw at the time, is pointless as they work on an entirely different level from us.

What clubs the size of St Mirren have such a structure and how does it work for them? Are there any successful models out there of a one man team being able to make much of a difference in recruitment structure? How much should we be expecting from Gus in this role?

Do we have a proper network of scouts that are being coordinated by Gus? If we do, then what exactly have they been doing?

I saw it mentioned Gus was over in Spain in his tracksuit helping at training? Is this true? Surely that is complete madness when the squad is incomplete.

Are we chasing after players that are out of our price range? It seems we have once again been naive to say the least in getting played by the big Dutch strikers agent. We were talking in the press about a guy who never had any intention of getting on the plane. I'm surprised someone as experienced as Gus got taken in.

This isn't intended to be a thread for the usual rabble to slag off Gordon, Tony and Gus. I would be interested to hear some genuine answers to the above. There is clearly something wrong with the management structure of the club for a relatively simple idea (one full time person recruiting players well in advance) to be executed so poorly.

WOW. How time has flown. 

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On 8/30/2019 at 11:21 PM, St.Ricky said:

WOW. How time has flown. 

Care to elaborate?

Who is doing Livingston's scouting? They seem to consistently manage to find players that fit in to a system they are good at. Taken them from League 1 to beating the Champions in the Premier League. The only constant with the strikers we sign is they cannae shoot.

Jim Goodwin has been badly let down by Gordon Scott's shambolic handling of Oran Kearney and an inept recruitment system. 

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10 minutes ago, Kemp said:

Care to elaborate?

Who is doing Livingston's scouting? They seem to consistently manage to find players that fit in to a system they are good at. Taken them from League 1 to beating the Champions in the Premier League. The only constant with the strikers we sign is they cannnonsenseae shoot.

Jim Goodwin has been badly let down by Gordon Scott's shambolic handling of Oran Kearney and an inept recruitment system. 

What a load of nonsense.  When Jim came in there was a list of players . Goodwin made it clear it was who he wanted in on buddie vision. He said a few times it will take time and patience go get the right player my players he said. Goodwin has in my understanding set up talent spotters in Ireland and England. 

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14 minutes ago, Kemp said:

Care to elaborate?

Who is doing Livingston's scouting? They seem to consistently manage to find players that fit in to a system they are good at. Taken them from League 1 to beating the Champions in the Premier League. The only constant with the strikers we sign is they cannae shoot.

Jim Goodwin has been badly let down by Gordon Scott's shambolic handling of Oran Kearney and an inept recruitment system. 

As you say Livingston have maintained their system through the leagues thus bring players in to suit that. We had Ross and his system that won us the league, Stubbs came in ripped the team apart and brought in inadequate players with what was no real system lasted only a few league games got the bullet. Kearney came in really struggled until the window brought a new set of players in struggled then come March time it clicked we stayed up, Left sacked departed whatever Goody comes in has now brought in a raft of players again and wants to play his way so in 3 seasons we have had at least 4 different systems primarily with loan players or short term signings and a continued turnover of players until now with most signed on 2 year deals which most fans always asked for. I get your point on Livi but we have been a mess in terms of player's and managers these past few years

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As you say Livingston have maintained their system through the leagues thus bring players in to suit that. We had Ross and his system that won us the league, Stubbs came in ripped the team apart and brought in inadequate players with what was no real system lasted only a few league games got the bullet. Kearney came in really struggled until the window brought a new set of players in struggled then come March time it clicked we stayed up, Left sacked departed whatever Goody comes in has now brought in a raft of players again and wants to play his way so in 3 seasons we have had at least 4 different systems primarily with loan players or short term signings and a continued turnover of players until now with most signed on 2 year deals which most fans always asked for. I get your point on Livi but we have been a mess in terms of player's and managers these past few years
And the common denominator is..?

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As you say Livingston have maintained their system through the leagues thus bring players in to suit that. We had Ross and his system that won us the league, Stubbs came in ripped the team apart and brought in inadequate players with what was no real system lasted only a few league games got the bullet.

 Stubbs didn’t rip the team apart.

 

The only regular choice that you could argue that Stubbs let go was Reilly.

 

Jack Ross’ “system” was Lewis Morgan

 

Livingston’s “system” is playing the long ball game. This is a system which I have advocated we use on numerous occasions.

 

Our problem isn’t the players, nor the recruitment.

 

Our problem is our manager’s inept tactics.

 

 If we swapped all our players for all of Livi’s, it would make no difference to our respective results.

 

Indeed, if anything, I reckon we’d fare even worse with Livi’s players.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kemp said:

Care to elaborate?

Who is doing Livingston's scouting? They seem to consistently manage to find players that fit in to a system they are good at. Taken them from League 1 to beating the Champions in the Premier League. The only constant with the strikers we sign is they cannae shoot.

Jim Goodwin has been badly let down by Gordon Scott's shambolic handling of Oran Kearney and an inept recruitment system. 

He can't elaborate.

He's in the sin bin.

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20 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

 Stubbs didn’t rip the team apart.

 

The only regular choice that you could argue that Stubbs let go was Reilly.

 

Jack Ross’ “system” was Lewis Morgan

 

Livingston’s “system” is playing the long ball game. This is a system which I have advocated we use on numerous occasions.

 

Our problem isn’t the players, nor the recruitment.

 

Our problem is our manager’s inept tactics.

 

 If we swapped all our players for all of Livi’s, it would make no difference to our respective results.

 

Indeed, if anything, I reckon we’d fare even worse with Livi’s players.

 

 

 

Stubbs also told  cammy smith too find and new club and mcginn didnt fancy gary mak. The players he brought in well say no more Brock Madsen instead of Greg Stewart say no more. Kearney came in ditched pretty much all of them first game against Celtic. Goody has first and foremost sorted out the defence which was to be expected given how he and Lee played the game.

You clearly dont fancy/rate Goody, Stubbs was a bombscare and his signings were nothing short of atrocious as is proven where they are now just my opinion

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Stubbs also told  cammy smith too find and new club and mcginn didnt fancy gary mak. The players he brought in well say no more Brock Madsen instead of Greg Stewart say no more. Kearney came in ditched pretty much all of them first game against Celtic. Goody has first and foremost sorted out the defence which was to be expected given how he and Lee played the game.
You clearly dont fancy/rate Goody, Stubbs was a bombscare and his signings were nothing short of atrocious as is proven where they are now just my opinion
The reality is that when OK took over he didn't fancy most of the remaining players from Ross's tenure. They just weren't Premiership standard, so they went along with most of Stubbs signings.
The situation we are in now is we look weaker than when OK was bankrolled to add Anton, Hammill and Jackson, not to mention Popescu, Dryer, Musek etc... if we fail to get anything against the fakes imo we will have five points out of the first quarter..! Definite relegation spot.

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

The reality is that when OK took over he didn't fancy most of the remaining players from Ross's tenure. They just weren't Premiership standard, so they went along with most of Stubbs signings.
The situation we are in now is we look weaker than when OK was bankrolled to add Anton, Hammill and Jackson, not to mention Popescu, Dryer, Musek etc... if we fail to get anything against the fakes imo we will have five points out of the first quarter..! Definite relegation spot.

Suppose it being a Monday has influenced your post. Shit weather will have added to it no doubt.  

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21 hours ago, paisleysaint1973 said:

As you say Livingston have maintained their system through the leagues thus bring players in to suit that. We had Ross and his system that won us the league, Stubbs came in ripped the team apart and brought in inadequate players with what was no real system lasted only a few league games got the bullet. Kearney came in really struggled until the window brought a new set of players in struggled then come March time it clicked we stayed up, Left sacked departed whatever Goody comes in has now brought in a raft of players again and wants to play his way so in 3 seasons we have had at least 4 different systems primarily with loan players or short term signings and a continued turnover of players until now with most signed on 2 year deals which most fans always asked for. I get your point on Livi but we have been a mess in terms of player's and managers these past few years

Kearney's signings didn't struggle until March. They drew away at Pittodrie and Tynecastle in February, and had Kyle McAllister scored an open goal against Hibs at home we'd have taken something from that game as well (we should also have had a penalty awarded in the same game against Hibs).

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22 hours ago, Kemp said:

Care to elaborate?

Who is doing Livingston's scouting? They seem to consistently manage to find players that fit in to a system they are good at. Taken them from League 1 to beating the Champions in the Premier League. The only constant with the strikers we sign is they cannae shoot.

Jim Goodwin has been badly let down by Gordon Scott's shambolic handling of Oran Kearney and an inept recruitment system. 

Exactly, as laid out in your opening post there was no continuity this summer, the DoF role as described by GLS in his article upon MacPherson's appointment failed. I don't even know why anyone would want to contest this, all part of "the masterplan" - LMFAO!. 

We can only hope JGs strategy & signings come good as the season progresses..

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1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:

Exactly, as laid out in your opening post there was no continuity this summer, the DoF role as described by GLS in his article upon MacPherson's appointment failed. I don't even know why anyone would want to contest this, all part of "the masterplan" - LMFAO!. 

We can only hope JGs strategy & signings come good as the season progresses..

His interview clearly said the role Was still to be defined, so to reference back to it as evidence it has failed is simply wrong. 

Regardless, To say it’s failed at this point of the season still makes no sense whatsoever. It was a clear success in January & we still have 30 games this season to see if it has worked this summer. 

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2 hours ago, bazil85 said:

His interview clearly said the role Was still to be defined, so to reference back to it as evidence it has failed is simply wrong. 

Regardless, To say it’s failed at this point of the season still makes no sense whatsoever. It was a clear success in January & we still have 30 games this season to see if it has worked this summer. 

Unfortunately what GLS said was inconsistent

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"The board have a vision of how they want the club to develop. At present, we have a plan but not the manpower to define and execute it.

"Gus is someone I worked with closely when I was on the board previously and he has the experience and knowledge we are looking for in the newly created role."

Chairman Gordon Scott said the new structure was introduced because "we have learned lessons" in recent months.

"We want to have someone within the football department who will be a constant presence," he told his club website.

The idea that plan was still to be defined or that the club still lacked the manpower to execute it after MacPherson's appointment to "newly created role/structure" is either naïve or pedantic - what "lessons" do you think GLS was referring to if not to have a signing policy that wouldn't be derailed by a change of management at the club?

MacPherson clearly failed to provide the "constant presence" that Scott mentioned this summer as dealings came to a standstill between Kearney's departure and Goodwin's appointment - a policy which clearly changed upon the latter's arrival. It's not me labelling MacPherson a failure but GLS courtesy of his remarks at the time of MacPherson's appointment. 

I'm willing to put my interpretation of GLSs statement against yours - the DoF role failed this summer there was no masterplan and no amount of deflection, pedantry, or internet tropes from you will change this.

Hopefully we can all agree that the new policy instigated by JG starts to bear fruit soon rather than using it as a stick to beat fellow posters - there's nothing positive about that!

Looking forward to your reply Flipper85!

 

Edited by Bud the Baker

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On 10/6/2019 at 5:21 PM, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

What a load of nonsense.  When Jim came in there was a list of players . Goodwin made it clear it was who he wanted in on buddie vision. He said a few times it will take time and patience go get the right player my players he said. Goodwin has in my understanding set up talent spotters in Ireland and England. 

The nonsense is coming from you IOBS. Do you honestly think JG even knew who Morias and Obika were before taking the St Mirren job? Do you think he came in thinking those two League 2 cast offs are what we need to be successful?

We were left desperately trying to bring players in after the season had started, and we signed the best that was on our radar. 

He absolutely did not "make clear who he wanted on Buddie Vision" before signing Durmus, Junior and Obika :lol: This is complete IOBS fantasy land stuff as usual.

Where you are correct is he stated we need to expand our scouting in Ireland and England. Lets hope he is the man to organise this properly, because Gordon Scott and Gus MacPherson clearly haven't done it.

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14 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

Unfortunately what GLS said was inconsistent

The idea that plan was still to be defined or that the club still lacked the manpower to execute it after MacPherson's appointment to "newly created role/structure" is either naïve or pedantic - what "lessons" do you think GLS was referring to if not to have a signing policy that wouldn't be derailed by a change of management at the club?

MacPherson clearly failed to provide the "constant presence" that Scott mentioned this summer as dealings came to a standstill between Kearney's departure and Goodwin's appointment - a policy which clearly changed upon the latter's arrival. It's not me labelling MacPherson a failure but GLS courtesy of his remarks at the time of MacPherson's appointment. 

I'm willing to put my interpretation of GLSs statement against yours - the DoF role failed this summer there was no masterplan and no amount of deflection, pedantry, or internet tropes from you will change this.

Hopefully we can all agree that the new policy instigated by JG starts to bear fruit soon rather than using it as a stick to beat fellow posters - there's nothing positive about that!

Looking forward to your reply Flipper85!

 

The model has not failed, that’s not to say it will not fail. I have not said GLS has a fool proof plan to completely combat the risk of us getting relegated or not progressing as a football club. You just once again show a vendetta against Gus & GlS for whatever reason  

You've put your eggs in this basket as early as July/ August & I have no doubt you’ll stick with it. Whether you like it or not though you can’t make a claim it has failed based on that article because the role wasn’t defined. That is an absolute stop block for your point. 

As for Gus time since he’s been here. 

January - hugely successful window 

summer - we have made a more positive start than the last league campaign & are only just into October. A claim our recruitment has failed is far too premature. 

As you will see with the rest of my posts, complete consistency. Your school boy antics of claiming something you want to believe then not being able to back it up don’t combat that. Another day another fail to find a flip. Maybe tomorrow 😁

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