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1 hour ago, Sweeper07 said:

From what I read you argued that JG should not be chopping and changing so much - He chops and changes because he is trying to find success and hoping players will grab an opportunity.

Obika is decent in the air - how many crosses has he had placed anywhere that he might be able to attack and score from? How many other headers in the opposition box have we attacked at corners etc? Far too few... other teams get their big players in for these, and although MacLoughlin has been near a few of these, it has not worked out for us yet...

Yes the set up is wrong - this is obvious! We are not really playing as a very counter attacking team... perhaps it is the speed we break at and because we struggle to keep going forwards without too many sideways passes and back the way ones etc....

Agreed

 

So this has to sit with the manager unless the players are not doing what he says, which again sits with the manager

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18 hours ago, DougJamie said:

Agreed   So this has to sit with the manager unless the players are not doing what he says, which again sits with the manager

Definitely! I thought JG was one of our players who most often gave his all - and he was tough, ball winning and could create and score some brilliant goals.

I kept quiet mostly when everyone was touting him as this manager who was going to be the best thing ever. However, I did mention that the season before that his team, who were 2 goals up on us capitulated to a 3 v 2 defeat, when we were an absolute shambles that day. I know it is only one game, but other than teetering about the relegation places, he did not have a track record of huge success as a manager - I know that it was at part time Alloa.

That said, he arrived into our regular summer turmoil and has tried to get rid of most of last years players to bring in his own. It does take time to build a team, but when we are making the same errors each week, changing one or two players every couple of weeks is not working either.

It is easy to sit here and be critical - results have been awful apart from against the Dons - without that we would be bottom.

There is no sign that we are growing together as a team yet... He has a very difficult task ahead, and if the Fakes beat us, I am not convinced we will attract great players in January to rescue us yet again. If however, we managed to beat the defensively poor Fakes, it could really help us and give us some breathing space through the following month of very difficult fixtures...

I don't believe our players are rubbish - I just think they need to try different things and get some belief (which is easier said than done) - a good win against the Fakes is likely to be our ONLY decent chance for about a month - so, let's hope - it is better than dreading what might be . . . :turtle

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On 10/8/2019 at 10:53 AM, Sweeper07 said:

Definitely! I thought JG was one of our players who most often gave his all - and he was tough, ball winning and could create and score some brilliant goals.

I kept quiet mostly when everyone was touting him as this manager who was going to be the best thing ever. However, I did mention that the season before that his team, who were 2 goals up on us capitulated to a 3 v 2 defeat, when we were an absolute shambles that day. I know it is only one game, but other than teetering about the relegation places, he did not have a track record of huge success as a manager - I know that it was at part time Alloa.

That said, he arrived into our regular summer turmoil and has tried to get rid of most of last years players to bring in his own. It does take time to build a team, but when we are making the same errors each week, changing one or two players every couple of weeks is not working either.

It is easy to sit here and be critical - results have been awful apart from against the Dons - without that we would be bottom.

There is no sign that we are growing together as a team yet... He has a very difficult task ahead, and if the Fakes beat us, I am not convinced we will attract great players in January to rescue us yet again. If however, we managed to beat the defensively poor Fakes, it could really help us and give us some breathing space through the following month of very difficult fixtures...

I don't believe our players are rubbish - I just think they need to try different things and get some belief (which is easier said than done) - a good win against the Fakes is likely to be our ONLY decent chance for about a month - so, let's hope - it is better than dreading what might be . . . :turtle

Seriously, he did as good a job at Alloa as it is possible to do. If ever there was a manager from a lower level club who deserved a chance at a bigger club it was JG. 

We are fine in defence and midfield, we need our strikers to start doing what they were brought to the club to do, otherwise we need to get better in the Jan window. One quality striker would probably be enough. At present we have none !

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32 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

Seriously, he did as good a job at Alloa as it is possible to do. If ever there was a manager from a lower level club who deserved a chance at a bigger club it was JG. 

We are fine in defence and midfield, we need our strikers to start doing what they were brought to the club to do, otherwise we need to get better in the Jan window. One quality striker would probably be enough. At present we have none !

We are not fine in midfield they also need to be creating for the forward thinking players if there is no service or no creativity from the midfield or front 3 we are not going to score goals. People seem to want to just blame the strikers its midfield to front that need to do more. Stop this sideways and backwards passing have belief and beat your man or at least try. It doesnt matter who we bring in at present they won'tscore without service. We had a whole summer to bring in quality upfront who is going to come to us in January of this so called quality when its common knowledge we are not offering the basics in service or creativity to those that can score 

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On 10/9/2019 at 10:08 PM, lenziebud said:

Seriously, he did as good a job at Alloa as it is possible to do. If ever there was a manager from a lower level club who deserved a chance at a bigger club it was JG. 

We are fine in defence and midfield, we need our strikers to start doing what they were brought to the club to do, otherwise we need to get better in the Jan window. One quality striker would probably be enough. At present we have none !

I am not saying JR did not do a good job at Alloa or that he did not deserve a chance at a higher level - just that the risk included no experience at this level - perhaps a year with a team nearer the promotion to the Premiership might have been a reasonable step 1st?

Anyway - there is risk no matter who we take on as our manager or player.

I think we have capable players, but formations, tactics etc are not producing good results - and it is a results business. Still early days, but we so badly need a win against the Fakes that the converse could be catastrophic - I know that sounds dramatic - but following that match we have 4 very tough ones - the Fakes could leave us stranded by then.

I don't think they will and I certainly hope not, but we need to hit the net and keep the lead in a far higher percentage of games that we have done so far this season... :turtle

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How thick or needy is he - no way Obika nor I are 12 . . .  Get a life attention seeking moron...

Obika was fab yesterday and our team needs to build upon this result and kick on. 1 point behind the Hammers and 3 behind Livi…

so a win at Killie would do very nicely indeed. :magic

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Still frustrated that despite you "going to the school of emoji's" you have not worked it out yet . . .  you are the gift (of stupidity) that keeps on giving     :holiday

and you alias/cousin is equally as ridiculous . . . never forget the obvious stupidity he previously fell for - ho ho ho       🎅

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On 10/19/2019 at 10:49 PM, Sweeper07 said:

Well Done OBIKA finally off and running on the goals front, make it a habit and keep playing like you did today . . . you can score double figures this season and become a fan's favourite !   😎

When you say double figures do you mean the 1 he's scored and possibly another one around March? 

 

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4 hours ago, Long John Baldy said:

When you say double figures do you mean the 1 he's scored and possibly another one around March? 

 

He played well yesterday. The goals will come.

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5 minutes ago, munoz said:

He played well yesterday. The goals will come.

Mostly agree on your first point, not convinced on the second.

Mullen looked much more likely to score yesterday than Obika.

We're over 1/4 of the seasons games mark and he's got one, albeit spectacular, goal.

He doesn't look a quality striker to me, works hard, caused Killie some problems but, well, his record speaks for itself. 

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Obika and Morais just don't look like good signings at all so far. Surprising given they have played at a decent level in England. There is nothing about them that suggests to me its going to change. I reckon JG and GP are searching for a striker in Jan big time

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34 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

Obika and Morais just don't look like good signings at all so far. Surprising given they have played at a decent level in England. There is nothing about them that suggests to me its going to change. I reckon JG and GP are searching for a striker in Jan big time

And possibly also a centre half and a left back and a goalie. Tough season.

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As it stands its irrelevant if we bring a striker in they need service to do what they are paid to do and who is going to want to come to us that is better than what we have  if they come to us on loan they clearly are not  doing it at their own club. To boot if the bottom of the league is still the same you will probably have Hearts Hibs Fake Saints to name but 3 also looking and Ross County always tend to do January business 

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7 hours ago, paisleysaint1973 said:

As it stands its irrelevant if we bring a striker in they need service to do what they are paid to do and who is going to want to come to us that is better than what we have  if they come to us on loan they clearly are not  doing it at their own club. To boot if the bottom of the league is still the same you will probably have Hearts Hibs Fake Saints to name but 3 also looking and Ross County always tend to do January business 

So, we don't need strikers, we need players who can provide the supply? 

Wasn't the early season talk our midfield was decent? 

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1 hour ago, Long John Baldy said:

So, we don't need strikers, we need players who can provide the supply? 

Would definitely help. We had very little width of Saturday with the majority of our half chances coming from long balls up the middle. We need Durmas or McAllister fit and playing well or we'll continue to have no threat on the wings.

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55 minutes ago, lugton said:

Maybe the players are fine.

Maybe we need a new Manager..

 

Think we have tried that tactic ………….. and as demonstrated since 2014- it doesn't work - just destabilises the club

We have a St Mirren man at the helm- we are competing in all games so far- we are work in progress and I would imagine the main feedback in one word would be frustrating …………….  

 

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Only shite Managers feck up the Club.

Four great Managers have not been St mirren Men.  Fergie, Hendrie, Macpherson and Ross.

The greatest St Mirren man, Fitzpatrick was a shite Manager, twice.

 

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14 hours ago, Long John Baldy said:

So, we don't need strikers, we need players who can provide the supply? 

Wasn't the early season talk our midfield was decent? 

Exactly, we have brought in two strikers from England who are way of the pace. No matter what the midfield provide to them they can't do anything with it. Both of them make no runs in behind or give the midfield options. they are both hopeless one on one when through, constantly caught in possession and don't make life difficult for any center back. Two utterly hopeless signings so far this season.

Midfield are doing their best but EVERY one of our strikers at the moment are no where near good enough. We also don't seem able to bring any strikers through our academy who come close to cutting it either

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