bazil85 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Kombibuddie said: Looking forward to your financial report demonstrating the financial savings you have stated the IT financial system will realise. I have no idea if it will or if it won't but your evidence of the savings will be very welcome. You may need to revisit my post... My view is a very simple one. I trust the people at SMISA and their comments. I don't think they lie or are deceptive. If they say that the inbuilt polling function alone will save £400 p/a, the system is good value for money and that we may of needed to hire a PT member of staff if we didn't go with the system, I believe them. I know the go to on here for some is to automatically not trust and ask for absolutely everything to be documented & evidenced (even to the extent of what an honorary membership involves lol) but I am comfortable in my position to trust and they have given me zero reason to question that trust during the BTB process. Sorry to disappoint. Edited October 3, 2019 by bazil85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, bazil85 said: You may need to revisit my post... Aaaaargh! Please! NOOOO...... 😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kombibuddie Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 You may need to revisit my post... My view is a very simple one. I trust the people at SMISA and their comments. I don't think they lie or are deceptive. If they say that the inbuilt polling function alone will save £400 p/a, the system is good value for money and that we may of needed to hire a PT member of staff if we didn't go with the system, I believe them. I know the go to on here for some is to automatically not trust and ask for absolutely everything to be documented & evidenced (even to the extent of what an honorary membership involves lol) but I am comfortable in my position to trust and they have given me zero reason to question that trust during the BTB process. Sorry to disappoint. Oh you haven't disappointed.You responded with the expected waffle or Bazil Bollocks as we have affectionately come to know your responses as.Cheers fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, Kombibuddie said: Oh you haven't disappointed. You responded with the expected waffle or Bazil Bollocks as we have affectionately come to know your responses as. Cheers fella. Believing what SMISA says is bollocks? If this isn't what you meant feel free to clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kombibuddie Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Believing what SMISA says is bollocks? If this isn't what you meant feel free to clarify. You won't be able to show where I have said SMISA are talking bollocks? Just Bazil bollocks. You've made a statement on the savings it'll make, i've merely commented on you quantifying that statement. Your obsession with perceiving anyone who questions v's SMISA is embarrassing. Take 2 paracetamol, plenty fluids & a wee lie down. It's just what the nurse has ordered [emoji1787] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Kombibuddie said: You won't be able to show where I have said SMISA are talking bollocks? You said I was taking bollocks and all I really did was say I believe what they wrote, quoted from it and pointed out facts about some fans needing absolutely everything evidenced & not trusting a word from SMISA or the board... so I asked you to clarify. Just Bazil bollocks. You've made a statement on the savings it'll make, i've merely commented on you quantifying that statement. Ah so it’s you that’s talking bollocks then? I never made a statement claiming to have evidence to quantify, I don’t need it to say the system is good value for money, it’s in an officials SMISA statement. I clarified this in my post. I believe SMISA, very simple. As I said some people want everything documented & evidenced. For me I’m happy to take the word of my fellow St Mirren fans that have never steered me wrong in the past. It’s clear you were looking for something that wasn’t there. 1 hour ago, Kombibuddie said: Your obsession with perceiving anyone who questions v's SMISA is embarrassing. Your obsession with underhandedly thinking they’re liars in almost everything they post is embarrassing. Is there a reason you don’t take their word for it on things like this IT system? Maybe sour grapes after your vote? You should try & be more trusting & let things go. Take 2 paracetamol, plenty fluids & a wee lie down. It's just what the nurse has ordered Open your heart to trust and shy away from the unfounded suspicious nature, who knows you might see in a better light the great story that’s playing out in front of us where this great organisation & GLS delivers our football club to the people that care most about it, the fans. true SMFC heroes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted October 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 You won't be able to show where I have said SMISA are talking bollocks? Just Bazil bollocks. You've made a statement on the savings it'll make, i've merely commented on you quantifying that statement. Your obsession with perceiving anyone who questions v's SMISA is embarrassing. Take 2 paracetamol, plenty fluids & a wee lie down. It's just what the nurse has ordered [emoji1787] Kombi... Your friend "quoted from it", IT being the SMISA release, when he said it "Saves us money"! The original press release said, and I quote, "There is a one-off set-up cost (£4,200), and like most software services these days, an ongoing monthly subscription (£300). This will of course increase SMISA’s operating costs, but we believe this is good value and cheaper than the alternatives at this time." So they say it will INCREASE costs but in fairness, they could increase by more at this time by using alternatives! Never mind quantifying... I'd love to see the original text that he has "quoted" from! "an IT system that saves us money" "I believe what they wrote, quoted from it and pointed out facts" I won't hold my breath though... Probably easier to attack me for commenting on a thread I started! [emoji850] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 5 hours ago, BuddieinEK said: Kombi... Your friend "quoted from it", IT being the SMISA release, when he said it "Saves us money"! The original press release said, and I quote, "There is a one-off set-up cost (£4,200), and like most software services these days, an ongoing monthly subscription (£300). This will of course increase SMISA’s operating costs, but we believe this is good value and cheaper than the alternatives at this time." So they say it will INCREASE costs but in fairness, they could increase by more at this time by using alternatives! Never mind quantifying... I'd love to see the original text that he has "quoted" from! "an IT system that saves us money" "I believe what they wrote, quoted from it and pointed out facts" I won't hold my breath though... Probably easier to attack me for commenting on a thread I started! He appears to have confused a saving on one aspect of running SMISA due to the new system with the net financial effect of bringing in the new system. In essence it means he is technically correct but of course the only relevant figure is the net one, which as you rightly say is that this is an increase in the cost of running SMISA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 He appears to have confused a saving on one aspect of running SMISA due to the new system with the net financial effect of bringing in the new system. In essence it means he is technically correct but of course the only relevant figure is the net one, which as you rightly say is that this is an increase in the cost of running SMISA.A bit like my wife coming back from the sales with a pair of shoes she didn't need that cost £100... and her defending it by telling me how much she saved as they were on sale from £250! The kind soul saved me £150. In fairness, it will save her having to buy £40 winter boots... so definitely a bargain. She might also have had to clean out her shoe cupboard herself... and think of all the manual labour involved! I'd never get my tea on time so I believe her... What a saving! How lucky am I? [emoji850][emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) ^^^ just can’t help himself, broke the agreement so many times. 🤣 more than welcome to comment on a thread you started but I said as much as you’d play your same old trick where you comment on other posts to me the obsession is back but... ask and you shall receive. “If we use the inbuilt polling function in place of Election Runner this will save about £400 per annum” https://www.smisa.net/news-archive/278-very-connect-an-introduction Edited October 4, 2019 by bazil85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: He appears to have confused a saving on one aspect of running SMISA due to the new system with the net financial effect of bringing in the new system. In essence it means he is technically correct but of course the only relevant figure is the net one, which as you rightly say is that this is an increase in the cost of running SMISA. I am comfortable in believing they have done enough to warrant this system being a saving & cost effective alternative. Others want everything documented & evidenced, that’s fine. Just two different views. Kombi trying to hold me to his own standards of evidence is irrelevant in my stated view. Imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bazil85 said: I am comfortable in believing they have done enough to warrant this system being a saving & cost effective alternative. Others want everything documented & evidenced, that’s fine. Just two different views. You are wrong. I'm not arguing with you on this point. This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. This post is my last response to you on this specific issue. In their Press Release they specifically stated: ""There is a one-off set-up cost (£4,200), and like most software services these days, an ongoing monthly subscription (£300). This will of course increase SMISA’s operating costs, but we believe this is good value and cheaper than the alternatives at this time." Edited October 4, 2019 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: You are wrong. I'm not arguing with you on this point. This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. This post is my last response to you on this specific issue. In their Press Release they specifically stated: ""There is a one-off set-up cost (£4,200), and like most software services these days, an ongoing monthly subscription (£300). This will of course increase SMISA’s operating costs, but we believe this is good value and cheaper than the alternatives at this time." That's fine but I'm not wrong. "good value and cheaper than the alternatives at this time" You've posted something (not even the quote I was referring to) that backs up my view that the IT system "saves us money" Good effort but another failed comment from you. Edited October 4, 2019 by bazil85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Honestly Baz, if we were in a pub and you behaved like this in real life, I think we'd be coming to blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Honestly Baz, if we were in a pub and you behaved like this in real life, I think we'd be coming to blows. It's ironic isn't it? The quest from a few on here to show lies from me is ongoing and so far the main lies I've seen are people saying things like "this post is my last response to you on this specific subject" Or does not quoting my posts somehow provide a loophole? I don't doubt it, you're easily one of the most miserable posters on BAWA, especially around SMISA. To the extent you want to get in arguments just because I am positive about this update & believe them when they say the system is good value & makes savings on alternatives/ current processes. I mean what's the point? Do you have an endgame on something so trivial? We are due a three month spend update shortly, god only knows what people will find to moan about this time. Staggering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Honestly Baz, if we were in a pub and you behaved like this in real life, I think we'd be coming to blows.I bought a Honda Jazz.I could have bought a Mercedes Benz!You have no idea how much I saved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, cockles1987 said: I believe what they (smisa) were meaning that the service they have bought is cheaper than other services that were available. Whereas I believe you initially were referring to the employing of someone to do the work including the quarterly vote cost. Bit of both & all of the above tbh. The statement as a collective, I’m not in the habit of breaking down this kind of stuff to within an inch of its life & scrutinising. SMISA have never given me the need to do this due to their great work so far during BTB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 and the obsession continues with another unfounded claim of backtracking. Does everyone know the loophole in not quoting someone in a post? I've just learned about it. #hesrattledagain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 "Go away and please ignore me! Seriously! Put me on ignore. Don't respond to me. Don't mention me!" My response included "That includes your wee trick of responding to other people referencing me..." Kombi... Your friend "quoted from it", IT being the SMISA release, when he said it "Saves us money"! Never mind quantifying... I'd love to see the original text that he has "quoted" from! "an IT system that saves us money" direct reference from my post Yet again showing his lies, incapability to keep his world & deep seeded obsession with me. Plenty of witnesses. Rattled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kombibuddie Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 I am comfortable in believing they have done enough to warrant this system being a saving & cost effective alternative. Others want everything documented & evidenced, that’s fine. Just two different views. Kombi trying to hold me to his own standards of evidence is irrelevant in my stated view. Imo It's just the same old Bazils Bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Just now, Kombibuddie said: It's just the same old Bazils Bollocks. yet you still can't clarify why a post about me trusting SMISA is bollocks... As per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Bit of both & all of the above tbh. The statement as a collective, I’m not in the habit of breaking down this kind of stuff to within an inch of its life & scrutinising. SMISA have never given me the need to do this due to their great work so far during BTB. On 8/21/2019 at 11:04 AM, bazil85 said: Wee FYI on membership storage software system pricing just so we have reference points. Not bothered quoting upfront & set-up costs but feel free if you want to Provider Annual cost Oasis. $3,300 - $8,100 (level 1-5) MC/LMS From €3,000 C&EA From $2,500 Novi AMS From $4,800 Agilon From $15,000 Not the lowest but certainly not the highest. There are many more online for people to do their own research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said: The post was in response to the unfounded & ridiculous negativity around the subject. I would not have felt the need to do it otherwise & it’s nothing to do with validate SMISA’s statement. It’s showing comparable software. Good effort once again but still a fail. The attempt to spin my posts is real. Edited October 4, 2019 by bazil85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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