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Hard to believe we're 3rd bottom and their 3rd top, next to nothing between the sides today if anything I thought we were the better team, we really need a natural replacement at left back because we really missed P McGinns presence down the right..... oh well another hard luck story.....Feckers.

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1 minute ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Tbh that’s Collum every time he referees, so at this point we know to expect uselessness from him whenever his name pops up.

He is very poor in my opinion and the clip from the Roma game midweek giving a penalty when Smalling headed the ball says everything albeit on another note we cant be blaming the ref pretty much week in week out for our own failings again another away game no points i am forever a Stmirren optimist but we cant keep seeing and saying a close defeat it could've been better "IF" 

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57 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

Story of our league campaign so far - tight game and as has happened more often than not we conceded first & never looked like equalising. :(

Away to Celtic midweek where I wouldn't expect much...:(

 

You can expect an absolute tanking something to look forward to. 

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13 minutes ago, paisleysaint1973 said:

He is very poor in my opinion and the clip from the Roma game midweek giving a penalty when Smalling headed the ball says everything albeit on another note we cant be blaming the ref pretty much week in week out for our own failings again another away game no points i am forever a Stmirren optimist but we cant keep seeing and saying a close defeat it could've been better "IF" 

Unfortunately you are right.

Crap referees are part of the Scottish game and are to be expected. There will be the days where one massive decision screws us over (even more so against the bigots) but the refs are generally crap most weeks anyway and can’t be blamed for our major lack of goals.

We continue to do well at the back and haven’t leaked too many goals (albeit we’ll see how that fares after Wednesday) but the lack of anything at the other end is the reason we are near the bottom instead of fighting in the top 6.

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Better team in the first half and made best chances. Felt we sat in a bit in the second half and invited them on top of us. However Andreu was right through with only the keeper in front and totally panics sclaffing it past the post and seconds later they score an easy goal from a corner.
We were really poor today from dead balls. Just prior to them scoring we had two corners.  Magennis hits the first straight out for a throw in at the other side of the park and the second he hits the ankle of the defender nearest him. Later on McPherson takes a faulty throw-in near their 18 yard box and they get the throw-in instead. Players are paid for 90mins concentration. To f**k-up simple things like free kicks, corners and throw ins is just not acceptable. Disappointing today as Killie are not a great team and a draw would be the least we deserved although we struggled to get a shot on target.
Actually sick of watching Magennis make a complete hash of every almost every set piece he takes.

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We were the better team for long periods of the game but keep missing chances. Mullin missed a couple in the first half and was unlucky with a couple in the second. Obika missed a Couple especially one from a clever free kick. Hladcky hardly had a save to make but we lost a goal from a free header from a corner. Andrey missed an absolute sitter and managed to hurt himself at the same time.overall very disappointing.

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1 hour ago, Sonny said:

Better team in the first half and made best chances. Felt we sat in a bit in the second half and invited them on top of us. However Andreu was right through with only the keeper in front and totally panics sclaffing it past the post and seconds later they score an easy goal from a corner.

We were really poor today from dead balls. Just prior to them scoring we had two corners.  Magennis hits the first straight out for a throw in at the other side of the park and the second he hits the ankle of the defender nearest him. Later on McPherson takes a faulty throw-in near their 18 yard box and they get the throw-in instead. Players are paid for 90mins concentration. To f**k-up simple things like free kicks, corners and throw ins is just not acceptable. Disappointing today as Killie are not a great team and a draw would be the least we deserved although we struggled to get a shot on target.

I said as much a few games ago, as long as we fail miserably at the basics the amount of times we do, then we will be in bother.

Failing to beat the first man at corners and getting throw ins wrong is unforgivable. Quite simply you are not good enough.

Drop them from the team, don’t care who they are, we can’t afford shit like that. Rant over....

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Poor performance. Collection high balls and hopeful punts to strikers who are just good enough for this league. Mullan probably the best of a bad bunch. We defended well
But what criminal goal to give away. Free header 6 or 7 yards out. Dreadful. This high ball game has to change. We have 6ft striker who can't jump. Kilmarnock were hopeless. So tells how bad we were. Over a thousand fans turned up to watch that. Not enough I'm afraid. Tactics have to change. Bringing Durness with 5 mins to go was pointless. We were chasing the game and Goody waited till 5 mins to go should have been on earlier. Ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Unfortunately you are right.

Crap referees are part of the Scottish game and are to be expected. There will be the days where one massive decision screws us over (even more so against the bigots) but the refs are generally crap most weeks anyway and can’t be blamed for our major lack of goals.

We continue to do well at the back and haven’t leaked too many goals (albeit we’ll see how that fares after Wednesday) but the lack of anything at the other end is the reason we are near the bottom instead of fighting in the top 6.

Might be worthwhile you refereeing a few matches to see how much crap you talk on refereeing ?

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3 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I find it hilarious that you’ve been accused of using an alias.

The best thing is it wasn’t even a satirical comment 😂

It's pretty weird. Maybe that poster has made a mistake or I misinterpreted their post.

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2 hours ago, lenziebud said:

Might be worthwhile you refereeing a few matches to see how much crap you talk on refereeing ?

Touched a nerve have I?

Are you saying the refereeing standard in Scotland is currently acceptable?

I’m not saying I would do a very good job of it. However, considering their “part time wage” of £800 a match (the going rate in 2010 so it may be more now) I do expect a better standard that what we currently see. Some of those on the low end of the pay scale struggle to make £800 in a month, yet a referee can make that in 90 mins with a sub-standard, sometimes woeful performance.

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4 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Touched a nerve have I?

Are you saying the refereeing standard in Scotland is currently acceptable?

I’m not saying I would do a very good job of it. However, considering their “part time wage” of £800 a match (the going rate in 2010 so it may be more now) I do expect a better standard that what we currently see. Some of those on the low end of the pay scale struggle to make £800 in a month, yet a referee can make that in 90 mins with a sub-standard, sometimes woeful performance.

When was the last time you saw a referee in Scotland?

Seeing a few highlights hardly makes you an expert, or does it? 

I watched an English game earlier today, Man City game, and he was the usual, a few mistakes as everybody's human. 

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15 minutes ago, Long John Baldy said:

When was the last time you saw a referee in Scotland?

Seeing a few highlights hardly makes you an expert, or does it? 

I watched an English game earlier today, Man City game, and he was the usual, a few mistakes as everybody's human. 

I do have that thing called television which allows me to watch games live when I choose to.

I have no problem with mistakes being made here and there. As you say, they, like us are only human. I advocate the use of both goal line technology and VAR to help these guys out and make their job easier. But for the very nice pay check they receive (as I’ve said above some struggle to make that in a month) I don’t think it’s wrong to demand a better standard.

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18 minutes ago, Long John Baldy said:

When was the last time you saw a referee in Scotland?

Seeing a few highlights hardly makes you an expert, or does it? 

I watched an English game earlier today, Man City game, and he was the usual, a few mistakes as everybody's human. 

I've seen plenty and can confirm that the referees we've had so far have been poor.

Anyone who has watched our games this season can see that.

Although, our players are giving them a run for their money in the "poor performance" stakes.

Also, you can actually watch entire matches on our website if you wish.😉

Edited by FTOF

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1 minute ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I do have that thing called television which allows me to watch games live when I choose to.

I have no problem with mistakes being made here and there. As you say, they, like us are only human. I advocate the use of both goal line technology and VAR to help these guys out and make their job easier. But for the very nice pay check they receive (as I’ve said above some struggle to make that in a month) I don’t think it’s wrong to demand a better standard.

I would suggest watching a game at at a ground gives you a better picture of the whole game, including the referees performance. 

I agree on the use of technology, while it's still in it's early stages I prefer the correct decision that takes a small amount of time than an error that costs a club a trophy, points and money.

The fee a referee gets is reflected in the important role they have in a game, not comparable to what anybody else makes, whatever that means, in a month. 

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3 minutes ago, FTOF said:

I've seen plenty and can confirm that the referees we've had so far have been poor.

Anyone who has watched our games this season can see that.

Although, our players are giving them a run for their money in the "poor performance" stakes.

Also, you can actually watch entire matches on our website if you wish.😉

Who asked you? 

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22 minutes ago, Long John Baldy said:

I would suggest watching a game at at a ground gives you a better picture of the whole game, including the referees performance. 

I agree on the use of technology, while it's still in it's early stages I prefer the correct decision that takes a small amount of time than an error that costs a club a trophy, points and money.

The fee a referee gets is reflected in the important role they have in a game, not comparable to what anybody else makes, whatever that means, in a month. 

I won’t disagree with the first comment there. I was a season ticket holder before I moved down south and travelled home and away to watch Saints (excluding the two bigotdomes) and yes, you do see more. You can still see plenty on the tv too though, perhaps not as much, but certainly more often than not, enough to make a decision.

In full agreement on your second comment.

The fee paid is still a massive pay check for a small amount of work.

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So frustrating but so St.Mirren, one switch off moment and we get punished, why does it always seem we do not get these moments go for us?

I still believe we are not brave enough and we need to start letting the opposition worry about our strengths rather than playing football to a manual. A classic example today was Kyle seemed to spend his whole game thinking about their left back rather than vice versa. As I have said before we have probably the best goalkeeper in our history playing for us, at the minute, so surely we should be taking advantage of this and be far more attacking and take risks.  Also big Kirkie and  McLoughlin are cruising games at the minute, so let's start getting the midfield more forward thinking, and rely on them keeping the opposition at bay when needed. 

I  have my own thoughts on our forward players but do not think they can be properly judged until we see them get some proper support and stop living off of scraps and breakaways that they currently have to deal with. Our defensive goals column is very commendable but to have only scored 5 goals in 10 games is abysmal.

As this is the match thread, we, to a man, ran about and gave our all but never really looked like scoring. Sound familiar?

 

Edited by party politics

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13 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Unfortunately you are right.

Crap referees are part of the Scottish game and are to be expected. There will be the days where one massive decision screws us over (even more so against the bigots) but the refs are generally crap most weeks anyway and can’t be blamed for our major lack of goals.

We continue to do well at the back and haven’t leaked too many goals (albeit we’ll see how that fares after Wednesday) but the lack of anything at the other end is the reason we are near the bottom instead of fighting in the top 6.

Met a happy Arbroath fan in The Laurieston last night we got talking about refs. Like me he said he cant remember a period of such poor quality refs in the Scottish game like me he has watched football for the best part of 50 years. 

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Other than the Motherwell game, all our games this season have been defined by the smallest of margins.

We could easily be sitting up in 3rd instead of Killie, if we had the same mentality and momentum that they have created.

Jim needs to work hard on the training ground with our set pieces, defensively, but more importantly attacking.

7 or 8 goals from set plays in a season would take us out of the relegation picture.

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Another game lost by a slim margin. And we had chances! After Obika's fine overhead kick and a great team goal last week, we're back to fluffing and sclaffing shots at goal. BBC stats tell the story...…..9 shots on goal, but only three on target. As usual, defence was fine in open play but got caught out by a set piece. Killie weren't great. Neat play up to the 18 yard box but then struggled and attacks petered out. 

As long as we fail to put away our opportunities we will fall prey to losing games by a single goal. Killie were not really any better than us yesterday, but look at the difference in our league positions. Looking at the game as a whole, it would not have been unfair if we had won it by one or two goals.

Quick word for our supporters. Someone above says we took over a thousand to the game. It certainly looked like that from where I was sitting. Fantastic turnout given the poor run we've had. Well done to everyone who travelled!

On to Celtic Park. Let's just hope they're concentrating on their European adventure!

COYS!!

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