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This week the Twenty’s Plenty away ticket prices protest initiated by the Celtic fan group Bhoys built momentum, as a St Mirren fan group were the first of another SPFL club to join the campaign.

As they promised in an email to The Athletic last month, Bhoys — who had until then only displayed banners at Hamilton’s New Douglas Park and Hibernian’s Easter Road — revealed banners at Celtic Park before the 6-0 win over Ross County two weeks ago, asking Celtic to take the initiative in the Scottish top flight in capping exorbitant ticket prices for away fans.

The banners read: “Motherwell v Celtic — £30. Hearts vs Hamilton — £29. Celtic vs St Johnstone — £30.

“Lower prices for all fans. Celtic, set the trend.

“Twenty’s plenty.”

It answered accusations of hypocrisy from fans of other clubs who were critical of Bhoys’ protests against the pricing of other clubs while Celtic’s pricing remains the most expensive in the league, and it validated the fan group’s expressed intention for the protest to be inclusively cross-league. Protesting at their own club meant the gauntlet had been thrown down; it was a call to arms for fans of other clubs to participate and collaborate.

At Celtic Park last Wednesday, before the 2-0 win over St. Mirren, the Paisley side’s fan group The North Bank displayed a Twenty’s Plenty banner, and changed the dynamic of the protest in doing so. Bhoys’ ambition for it to become a league-wide campaign had begun building traction.

Josh Magennis, one of the founders of The North Bank, told The Athletic that away ticket prices have always been a pertinent issue.

“The ticket prices of Scottish football have always been a big talking point within our group,” Magennis explains. “This is not something new to us and is something we have protested in the past.”

“During our time in the Championship the group decided to take a stance against this at Dumbarton away and watched the game from the top of the rock instead of paying to get in.”

Magennis says that, even before Bhoys’ display at Celtic Park, The North Bank had decided to get involved with the protest: “The Twenty’s Plenty campaign was an easy decision for the group to get behind. When Celtic first displayed their banner they received a lot of unnecessary stick from fans who were totally missing the point.”

There hasn’t been any communication between Bhoys or The North Bank, and Magennis argues that in these early stages it’s down to individual fan groups across SPFL clubs to come to a decision on whether to participate, and that more collaborative efforts between fan groups isn’t a priority for the moment.

“There wasn’t any communication before getting involved, it was simply a case of the group doing what we feel is right,” he says. “Right now the only communication which needs to be done is internally with each fan groups’ members on whether to get involved or not.”

“Regarding the future, who knows who will be involved and what methods will be used. We do have a few things in mind for the future but will keep them to ourselves until they are revealed.”

Paul Goodwin from the Scottish Supporters’ Federation told The Athletic: “When our sister organisation in England’s Twenty’s Plenty campaign succeeded, we raised it as an issue in Scotland but there wasn’t a real uptake; since they are funded by the FA and Premier League, that dynamic doesn’t work in Scotland where we don’t get any funding, so it’s a lot harder to coordinate on a similar scale.

“Obviously we would love to do that here, and we totally support it. We think there is an opportunity here, and if maybe more fan groups are interested, we can help coordinate stuff between all the different fan groups on a clear and focused message, and in design, to have a bit of collective power behind it.

“Our biggest challenge is we’re all volunteers, we fully endorse the campaign, but we only have limited resources, but we can tap into the guys down in England to help fan groups where we can, both in advice and in resources.

“One thing we could do is design, say, six different banners templates, and fans could come to our website and personally design them; ‘Queen of the South says Twenty’s Plenty’, ‘Aberdeen fans say Twenty’s Plenty’, as examples. We’re keen to help out any way we can, no matter how small or large.”

The support of St Mirren fan group for the campaign is baby steps perhaps, but not insignificant ones. Its symbolic value of solidarity in a country often aggressively partisan between fan bases shouldn’t be underestimated, even with the pricing issue a universal one.

Both Bhoys and The North Bank have also expressed their intentions to continue protesting throughout this season.

Now the gauntlet is thrown down once more to the rest.

(Photo: Jeff Holmes/PA Images via Getty Images)

 

link to article: https://theathletic.com/1342966/2019/11/02/twentys-plenty-campaign-gathering-momentum-as-st-mirren-fan-group-join-the-push-to-cap-prices-for-away-fans/

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Cockles Wilson bus is free for members on Saturday and £5 for non members, Hearts tickets costing £31.50 for an adult if you include the booking fee

Great gesture by the supporters club but a shame that clubs like Hearts feel the need to rip punters off 

Fitba is certainly not a cheap day out 

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On 11/2/2019 at 9:28 AM, Doakes said:

This week the Twenty’s Plenty away ticket prices protest initiated by the Celtic fan group Bhoys built momentum, as a St Mirren fan group were the first of another SPFL club to join the campaign.

As they promised in an email to The Athletic last month, Bhoys — who had until then only displayed banners at Hamilton’s New Douglas Park and Hibernian’s Easter Road — revealed banners at Celtic Park before the 6-0 win over Ross County two weeks ago, asking Celtic to take the initiative in the Scottish top flight in capping exorbitant ticket prices for away fans.

The banners read: “Motherwell v Celtic — £30. Hearts vs Hamilton — £29. Celtic vs St Johnstone — £30.

“Lower prices for all fans. Celtic, set the trend.

“Twenty’s plenty.”

It answered accusations of hypocrisy from fans of other clubs who were critical of Bhoys’ protests against the pricing of other clubs while Celtic’s pricing remains the most expensive in the league, and it validated the fan group’s expressed intention for the protest to be inclusively cross-league. Protesting at their own club meant the gauntlet had been thrown down; it was a call to arms for fans of other clubs to participate and collaborate.

At Celtic Park last Wednesday, before the 2-0 win over St. Mirren, the Paisley side’s fan group The North Bank displayed a Twenty’s Plenty banner, and changed the dynamic of the protest in doing so. Bhoys’ ambition for it to become a league-wide campaign had begun building traction.

Josh Magennis, one of the founders of The North Bank, told The Athletic that away ticket prices have always been a pertinent issue.

“The ticket prices of Scottish football have always been a big talking point within our group,” Magennis explains. “This is not something new to us and is something we have protested in the past.”

“During our time in the Championship the group decided to take a stance against this at Dumbarton away and watched the game from the top of the rock instead of paying to get in.”

Magennis says that, even before Bhoys’ display at Celtic Park, The North Bank had decided to get involved with the protest: “The Twenty’s Plenty campaign was an easy decision for the group to get behind. When Celtic first displayed their banner they received a lot of unnecessary stick from fans who were totally missing the point.”

There hasn’t been any communication between Bhoys or The North Bank, and Magennis argues that in these early stages it’s down to individual fan groups across SPFL clubs to come to a decision on whether to participate, and that more collaborative efforts between fan groups isn’t a priority for the moment.

“There wasn’t any communication before getting involved, it was simply a case of the group doing what we feel is right,” he says. “Right now the only communication which needs to be done is internally with each fan groups’ members on whether to get involved or not.”

 

Paul Goodwin from the Scottish Supporters’ Federation told The Athletic: “When our sister organisation in England’s Twenty’s Plenty campaign succeeded, we raised it as an issue in Scotland but there wasn’t a real uptake; since they are funded by the FA and Premier League, that dynamic doesn’t work in Scotland where we don’t get any funding, so it’s a lot harder to coordinate on a similar scale.

“Obviously we would love to do that here, and we totally support it. We think there is an opportunity here, and if maybe more fan groups are interested, we can help coordinate stuff between all the different fan groups on a clear and focused message, and in design, to have a bit of collective power behind it.

 

 

This campaign can only work if fan groups collaborate. It seems to have worked in England and yet Josh reckons this isn't a priority. I don't quite understand where he is coming from there.

I think he is calling this wrong. Collaboration through a co-ordinated effort via someone like Paul Goodwin is absolutely the way to go and our group should not be working in isolation if a solution is to be found.

On the positive side though it's at least getting some publicity and it's a great start. Just don't want to see this fade away due to lack of co-operation.

We should not be ripping off OF fans and the OF should not be ripping us off either. It's time for the groups to work together on that.

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15 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

This campaign can only work if fan groups collaborate. It seems to have worked in England and yet Josh reckons this isn't a priority. I don't quite understand where he is coming from there.

I think he is calling this wrong. Collaboration through a co-ordinated effort via someone like Paul Goodwin is absolutely the way to go and our group should not be working in isolation if a solution is to be found.

On the positive side though it's at least getting some publicity and it's a great start. Just don't want to see this fade away due to lack of co-operation.

We should not be ripping off OF fans and the OF should not be ripping us off either. It's time for the groups to work together on that.

Actions speak louder than words , fan groups keep up to date with the actions of other groups, approaching them for a chat just isn't the done thing. Can guarantee that every like-minded fan group in Scotland is now aware of the campaign and will be considering whether to get involved

Confident that this will grow arms and legs

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We only took 300 people there, when our average away support is around 1,100 - 1.200 
No question that people are put off going to grounds when the prices can be as high as £30 
I go every week. Except Darkhead. It's time for the SPFL To step in and sort this out. I'm not one for boycotting but its the next logical step to boycott places like Darkhead and Tynecastle.

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1 hour ago, santaponsasaint said:
On 11/1/2019 at 10:23 AM, Doakes said:
We only took 300 people there, when our average away support is around 1,100 - 1.200 
No question that people are put off going to grounds when the prices can be as high as £30 

I go every week. Except Darkhead. It's time for the SPFL To step in and sort this out. I'm not one for boycotting but its the next logical step to boycott places like Darkhead and Tynecastle.

Only reason I dislike a boycott is that the team suffers from not having our vocal support behind them. TBH I was pleasantly surprised by the reaction online to the banner at Parkhead - noticed fans of Rangers, Celtic, County, Hamilton, Motherwell, Killie and St Johnstone comment that it was good to see some resistance to the over-pricing, especially when Celtic fans had similar banners in their own end of the stadium. They might be our rivals, but one thing we can all agree on as supporters is that unfair pricing and greed is killing the game. 

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Twenty is indeed plenty. 

The problem is that implementing it damages non-OF clubs considerably more than it damages the OF - and so the gap gets even bigger. 

For the good of the game however,  this is one that the clubs and the SPL need to get their act together with.

If that means the clubs outside the old firm taking a bigger hit due to the price cap then so be it. 

 

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2 hours ago, Doakes said:

Actions speak louder than words , fan groups keep up to date with the actions of other groups, approaching them for a chat just isn't the done thing. Can guarantee that every like-minded fan group in Scotland is now aware of the campaign and will be considering whether to get involved

Confident that this will grow arms and legs

Hope so. Something certainly needs done.

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19 minutes ago, Maboza said:

Twenty is indeed plenty. 

The problem is that implementing it damages non-OF clubs considerably more than it damages the OF - and so the gap gets even bigger. 

For the good of the game however,  this is one that the clubs and the SPL need to get their act together with.

If that means the clubs outside the old firm taking a bigger hit due to the price cap then so be it. 

 

Short term, possibly. But if the SPFL did what their job is meant to be as a governing body - put a cap on pricing - they could manage the shortfall by altering prize money or funding. Perhaps even find a sponsor for the campaign who would get their name in lights. Seems like the sort of thing Paddy Power like to get involved in, for example... 

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On 11/1/2019 at 2:16 PM, DougJamie said:

Game overall is fecked

 

Falkirk v Clyde £20 !!

You have to drop to League 3 to get less than £13...…………..

Of course with our SFA being skint due to their inability to run our game don't expect anything to change this century

Top level juniors is £6 and worth every penny IMO. Wouldn't touch League 3 for £13. Its an utter joke and has been for years.

30 years ago I'd have went to a Falkirk vs Clyde match at that level and wouldn't have even questioned the price, now I wouldn't even think about it. Probably about 8 to 10 pounds over priced. 

Another major issue for me is the amount of clubs with full time football. Another complete joke. Doug Somner was part time, better striker than 90% of the utter dross we watch today

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19 minutes ago, Doakes said:

What was everyone's thoughts on the visual protest on Saturday?

Got a largely positive reaction on social media platforms, but interested to get thoughts / feedback

Looked decent although I'm not sure the stewards thought the same. 😂

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27 minutes ago, Doakes said:

What was everyone's thoughts on the visual protest on Saturday?

Got a largely positive reaction on social media platforms, but interested to get thoughts / feedback

Would everyone out with our support know what it was? Not sure if it was x even caught on TV. I agree with the sentiment but not convinced this is effective. At least a good effort though. Was funny in.the tynecastle arms where a couple of the notes were dropped on the floor watching people try to work out how to pick one up on the fly.

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35 minutes ago, guinness said:

Would everyone out with our support know what it was? Not sure if it was x even caught on TV. I agree with the sentiment but not convinced this is effective. At least a good effort though. Was funny in.the tynecastle arms where a couple of the notes were dropped on the floor watching people try to work out how to pick one up on the fly.

A few of the big facebook/twitter pages picked up on it. "Scottish football away days" etc. Also one guys tweet about it went fairly viral

Hopefully start a trend and get other clubs fans into it. Early days, but it's caught some eyes online

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9 hours ago, freethinker said:

How's the campaign going ?

The Black and White Rebels head for Aberdeen tomorrow.

Will the " Twenty's Plenty " banner be on show to give the Aberdeen Board a piece of our mind  ?   probably.

Think It would make more sense presenting the Banner outside the Stadium rather than paying £26 to gain admission, then complaining.

How daft is that ?

Better staying in Paisley.

Dortmund the other night 

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