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55 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
2 hours ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:
So, out of the 12 league games so far this season in how many games so far would you say that Kyle McAllister has played well, or even managed to look fully fit?

Baz reckons all of 'em!

Nailed it on the head there despite what the forums drama queens would say!

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14 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said:

 


I seem to remember getting attacked by loads of folk last season when trying to be positive about Alan Stubbs

These same people all claim to be positive by backing Goodwin

Hypocrites the lot

 

To an extent I think that’s fair enough. The only area I would challenge is that Stubbs had two previous roles & failed in both.

Goodwin comes with a better rep at Alloa. But I accept that doesn’t always mean anything, Jack Ross as a perfect example. 

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14 hours ago, stlucifer said:

Being a supporter doesn't exclude being a realist. I didn't think Goodie was a good appointment when he was brought in and Nothing that has transpired since have given me pause for thought. I live in hope I am proven wrong as I was with JR but I cannot see us getting away with this in the top division. Yes. There are some on here that attack at every turn but there are many who see what's happening and keep their eyes open. Being a supporter means you want the best for the club so why should those who simply see things at face value be vilified? I think YOU should understand what supporting a CLUB means. It certainly doesn't mean sticking your head in the sand, let alone up the chairman's @rse.

Thanks Lucy where trying to work where my head is at. I think after 50 years supporting I know our shortcomings, however reading constant neg drivel with no solution is boring and counter productive

 

However excluding your above post, which I mainly agree with. Our problem is lack of planning , and delusions of grandeur ………..

 

The best for our club is getting some sort of consistency off the field first

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12 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:
13 hours ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:
So, out of the 12 league games so far this season in how many games so far would you say that Kyle McAllister has played well, or even managed to look fully fit?

Baz reckons all of 'em!

 

11 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

Nailed it on the head there despite what the forums drama queens would say!

Returning to reality, all Baz did was defend the player, the decision to sign him and point out LPM's "constantly injured" error, by quoting Goody's interview where he confirmed he was "fully fit" when signed. 

He's had a hard time this season with a new injury, I personally think it's really poor of a few supporters to hammer him for it. But welcome to continue with it. If he's out any longer, no doubt we'll see another half dozen LPM dedicated threads to the subject.

Almost became his new hate SMISA output. Possibly because of the unquestionable success so far of BTB, meaning he has to focus his anti-SMFC stance elsewhere? 

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33 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

 

Returning to reality, all Baz did was defend the player, the decision to sign him and point out LPM's "constantly injured" error, by quoting Goody's interview where he confirmed he was "fully fit" when signed. 

He's had a hard time this season with a new injury, I personally think it's really poor of a few supporters to hammer him for it. But welcome to continue with it. If he's out any longer, no doubt we'll see another half dozen LPM dedicated threads to the subject.

Almost became his new hate SMISA output. Possibly because of the unquestionable success so far of BTB, meaning he has to focus his anti-SMFC stance elsewhere? 

 

You should go on the stage Flipper - that's absolutely knockout material.

The Masterplan, you really threw yourself under a bus there - LMFAO! :lol:

PS - I'm still waiting for my apology from the last time we crossed keyboards.

PPS - Referring to yourself in the third person - totally bonkers. :1eye

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21 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

 

You should go on the stage Flipper - that's absolutely knockout material.

Still no flipping, sorry to disappoint  

The Masterplan, you really threw yourself under a bus there - LMFAO! :lol:

No I didn’t 

PS - I'm still waiting for my apology from the last time we crossed keyboards.

Remind me? 

PPS - Referring to yourself in the third person - totally bonkers. :1eye

Top level straw grab. 

 

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37 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

 

You should go on the stage Flipper - that's absolutely knockout material.

Still no flipping, sorry to disappoint  

The Masterplan, you really threw yourself under a bus there - LMFAO! :lol:

No I didn’t 

PS - I'm still waiting for my apology from the last time we crossed keyboards.

Remind me? 

PPS - Referring to yourself in the third person - totally bonkers. :1eye

Top level straw grab. 

Childish tactics to embed your post in quotes - totally bonkers!  :1eye

As for the apology, it's for deliberately misrepresenting me the last time we crossed keyboards, but as it's part of your regular debating tactics I'm not surprised you've forgoten it - what's special about one instance in what must be dozens?

Genuine advice Flipper, check before you post, I'm trying to help preserve your dignity - not that there's much of that left . :1eye

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Oh and the Masterplan, you threw yourself under a bus there, you really did - LMFAO! :lol:

 

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2 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

Childish tactics to embed your post in quotes - totally bonkers!  :1eye

I personally think it's quite an acceptable way to respond to individual points. Each to their own though... More straw grabbing?

As for the apology, it's for deliberately misrepresenting me the last time we crossed keyboards, but as it's part of your regular debating tactics I'm not surprised you've forgoten it - what's special about one instance in what must be dozens?

I vaguely remember it & my recollection is this claim is incorrect. Feel free to show me otherwise and I'll happily apologise. 

Genuine advice Flipper, check before you post, I'm trying to help preserve your dignity - not that there's much of that left . :1eye

I do, my stance on this as with all our engagements has been consistent. 

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Oh and the Masterplan, you threw yourself under a bus there, you really did - LMFAO! :lol:

Still not true. Again feel free to evidence where I have. The usual stage where your debating falls down. 

 

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7 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Chidish and totally bonkers!  :1eye

Dear, dear, dear, there goes what was left of your dignity :rolleyes: - you really have lost the plot! :1eye

Flipper85 - thee man with no answers! :lol:

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PS - There really was no masterplan!

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2 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

Dear, dear, dear, there goes what was left of your dignity :rolleyes: - you really have lost the plot! :1eye

Flipper85 - thee man with no answers! :lol:

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PS - There really was no masterplan!

This really seems important to you (not important enough to actually put any worthwhile content right enough). Hope I've scratched whatever strange itch you've had about calling me "flipper" with no tangible cause. 😁

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31 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

This really seems important to you (not important enough to actually put any worthwhile content right enough). Hope I've scratched whatever strange itch you've had about calling me "flipper" with no tangible cause. 😁

……………...and you're arguing with me because you're totally indifferent Flipper. :1eye

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We have a squad of 22 out of which 3 are development players so really only 19 (see below) one of these is a panic buy from our summer holidays and two have poor fitness records, we're "behind the curve" as GLS admitted prior to the Celtic game, bottom of the Division and clearly have no alternatives the manager trusts which is to say the DoF role failed in the close season.

You threw your under a bus Flipper, I almost pity you - LMFAO . :lol:

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I call you Flipper to remind everyone you flipped not once but twice on the OF fans in the Family Stand issue.

Oh and you still owe me an apology

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3 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

……………...and you're arguing with me because you're totally indifferent Flipper. :1eye

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We have a squad of 22 out of which 3 are development players so really only 19 (see below) one of these is a panic buy from our summer holidays and two have poor fitness records, we're "behind the curve" as GLS admitted prior to the Celtic game, bottom of the Division and clearly have no alternatives the manager trusts which is to say the DoF role failed in the close season.

You threw your under a bus Flipper, I almost pity you - LMFAO . :lol:

Oh and you still owe me an apology

1. Why do the three development players not count? That's equally (or arguably more) important to our recruitment process. Yes they may not be relevant to the specific recruitment process but it doesn't mean our squad is suddenly 19 & not 22. 

2. No evidence any player is a panic buy, don't even know who you're referring to. 

3. Is poor fitness in a couple of our players completely exclusive to SMFC? This happens at every level & players struggle with fitness for a variety of reasons. Risk & reward is part of football, that's fact

4. DOF came in roughly this time last season. January window - undoubted success. Summer window - Noted improvement on last season by practically all parameters.

Good effort but it is yet another fail from you. 

You are not owed an apology. 

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On 11/10/2019 at 11:46 AM, windae cleaner said:

So much pish being spouted

Kearney had no intention in coming back in the summer

Way back in April this was the case as the stories coming across the water were coming through

It dragged on too long but that was down to money

This came from a manager in the same league he is in now

His words were "St Mirren got a raw deal in the media"

Saying that MacPherson should had done a better job in the summer whilst this dragged on

No surprise Colerine are doing well they were far better prepared than we were

This is what I think , based on the fact that the Coleraine job being kept open for so long , Jimmy Nichol moving on  and the fact that we never made any moves for any Northern Ireland based players . 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

1. Why do the three development players not count? That's equally (or arguably more) important to our recruitment process. Yes they may not be relevant to the specific recruitment process but it doesn't mean our squad is suddenly 19 & not 22. 

2. No evidence any player is a panic buy, don't even know who you're referring to. 

3. Is poor fitness in a couple of our players completely exclusive to SMFC? This happens at every level & players struggle with fitness for a variety of reasons. Risk & reward is part of football, that's fact

4. DOF came in roughly this time last season. January window - undoubted success. Summer window - Noted improvement on last season by practically all parameters.

Good effort but it is yet another fail from you. 

You are not owed an apology. 

1. The development players don't count because of their age (18-20) lack of first team experience and the clear fact that manager doesn't trust them to start a game. the only league game started by Breadner, Erhahon & MacPherson since the opening game of the season before JGs signings were bedded in was MacPherson against Killie when Waters was unavailable, they're development players  not ready to start a first team game at this level - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

2. Djorkaeff who has managed 5 minutes since the. opening game of the season when JG - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

3. We chose to sign two players with poor fitness records McAllister & MacKenzie because of the mess we got into changing managers in the summer and the fact the DoF failed in his remit and was unable to provide continuity - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

4. The DoF failed to fulfil the role publicly specified by GLS when he was hired this summer, at present we don't have enough players of the required ability to even fill the bench, Cooke is the only player whose absence could be attributed to bad luck - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

You owe me an apology for misrepresenting what I posted - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

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Poor effort it is yet another fail from you Flipper! (and another cheap debating trick which I can do as well as you:1eye

 

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20 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

1. The development players don't count because of their age (18-20) lack of first team experience and the clear fact that manager doesn't trust them to start a game. the only league game started by Breadner, Erhahon & MacPherson since the opening game of the season before JGs signings were bedded in was MacPherson against Killie when Waters was unavailable, they're development players  not ready to start a first team game at this level - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

2. Djorkaeff who has managed 5 minutes since the. opening game of the season when JG - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

3. We chose to sign two players with poor fitness records McAllister & MacKenzie because of the mess we got into changing managers in the summer and the fact the DoF failed in his remit and was unable to provide continuity - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

4. The DoF failed to fulfil the role publicly specified by GLS when he was hired this summer, at present we don't have enough players of the required ability to even fill the bench, Cooke is the only player whose absence could be attributed to bad luck - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

You owe me an apology for misrepresenting what I posted - it's not hard to understand even for you Flipper. :1eye

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Poor effort but it is yet another fail from you Flipper! (and another cheap debating trick which I can do as well as you:1eye

 

1. Incorrect, we have had plenty of young players in that age bracket play over our recent history. The nature of a squad is you'll have first team and more supporting players. They're in the first team squad because they're trusted to be used if needed. You have absolutely no clout that they are 'not ready' to play. The fact JG wants to play others ahead of them, does not mean they wouldn't be trusted if needed.

2. Panic buy in July, hahahaha

3. Mackenzie has been a massive part of our promotion and two survivals. Struggles with fitness? Yes but until this second I would have put my lifesaving on absolutely no SMFC fans regretting him as a signing. As far as I can tell he has been fully fit this season and has only been kept out the starting 11 by a CB pairing that have drawn much praise & one game removed, generally been difficult to breakdown.

Mccalister was fully fit when signed but yep has been plagued with injuries. He was a risk to sign because some players are just injury prone, no denying that. Should the player just have retired and no club at all taken a punt on him in the summer? He has bags of ability, if the risk pays off, he could be indefensible. Again not an SMFC issue, many clubs take a risk on players prone to injury. It doesn't always pay off.  

4. I've already debunked this many times through the actual direct quote from GLS. You can hate, deny or ignore it all you want. It doesn't change the fact the role couldn't be "defined" until the person came in. 

If you're talking about the 10% increase to wage player budget the two stands deal brought in. IMO there is no middle ground, you either accept that's what it was or claim GLS is a liar. No apology coming as it isn't owed. 

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

1. Incorrect, we have had plenty of young players in that age bracket play over our recent history. The nature of a squad is you'll have first team and more supporting players. They're in the first team squad because they're trusted to be used if needed. You have absolutely no clout that they are 'not ready' to play. The fact JG wants to play others ahead of them, does not mean they wouldn't be trusted if needed.

2. Panic buy in July, hahahaha

3. Mackenzie has been a massive part of our promotion and two survivals. Struggles with fitness? Yes but until this second I would have put my lifesaving on absolutely no SMFC fans regretting him as a signing. As far as I can tell he has been fully fit this season and has only been kept out the starting 11 by a CB pairing that have drawn much praise & one game removed, generally been difficult to breakdown.

Mccalister was fully fit when signed but yep has been plagued with injuries. He was a risk to sign because some players are just injury prone, no denying that. Should the player just have retired and no club at all taken a punt on him in the summer? He has bags of ability, if the risk pays off, he could be indefensible. Again not an SMFC issue, many clubs take a risk on players prone to injury. It doesn't always pay off.  

4. I've already debunked this many times through the actual direct quote from GLS. You can hate, deny or ignore it all you want. It doesn't change the fact the role couldn't be "defined" until the person came in. 

5 If you're talking about the 10% increase to wage player budget the two stands deal brought in. IMO there is no middle ground, you either accept that's what it was or claim GLS is a liar. No apology coming as it isn't owed. 

1. That was then, different players at different stages of development - in the current squad of the three players mentioned only MacPherson has made more than a token appearance since the Hibs game - to regard any of them as more than fringe/development players is desperate. :1eye

2. 5 minutes in 3 months hahahaha! :1eye

3. a) Mackenzie has been a good player in previous seasons but that's irrelevant to this season, I wouldn't have resigned him this season where as well as being injured he's been kept out of the team by a centre-back pairing which despite the praise :rolleyes: had steered us to the bottom of the division. As I presume he'll only be on a 1 year deal probably not a biggy!

b) Nice to see you mention McAllister (correct spelling) might be one of those players who are "injury prone" three months late but nice all the same. As our "marquee" signing this summer it's might very well turn out to be a biggy!

My criticism of these deals is that they seem very much to have been made with undue haste as a consequence of a second successive summer of turmoil which even GLS admits has left us "behind the curve" and as I say unable to fill our bench with match ready players. You really threw yourself under the bus when you bought into GLSs "Masterplan" wheeze - LMFAO! :lol:

4 No you haven't debunked anything - the role of the DoF was "defined" by GLS when GM was appointed - it was to "provide continuity" which he failed to do this summer as recognized by GLS prior to the Celtic game when he said we were "behind the curve". I don't have to "hate, deny or ignore" anything when I can disprove you by quoting GLSs actual words. :1eye

5 No I'm not talking about your double-flip in the Two Stands issue I'm referring to you misrepresenting me during our last discussion in the DoF thread about a month ago - you still owe me an apology for that DoubleFlip85.

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25 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

1. Of the three players mentioned only MacPherson has made more than a token appearance since the Hibs game - to regard any of them as more than fringe players is desperate. :1eye

I'm sure there are other 22 man squads in existence where a few players haven't had much game time. You do know we play an 11 starting player sport right? Yet again, not a SMFC specific point. 

2. 5 minutes in 3 months hahahaha! :1eye

See above, still doesn't make him a panic buy. "Quick only the 50 days of the transfer window left"

3. a) Mackenzie has been a good player in previous seasons but that's irrelevant to this season, I wouldn't have resigned him this season where as well as being injured he's been kept out of the team by a centre-back pairing which despite the praise :rolleyes: had steered us to the bottom of the division. As I presume he'll only be on a 1 year deal probably not a biggy!

He played right up to the death last season... Not only that he was absolutely a key factor in us going unbeaten in nine games and surviving. Why wouldn't you have signed him this season but would have in the previous season? When was he last injured since last season? He's been on the bench every game as far as I can tell. Great back-up player to have for a mostly solid centre back pairing. 

b) Nice to see you mention McAllister (correct spelling) might be one of those players who are "injury prone" three months late but nice all the same. As our "marquee" signing this summer it's might very well turn out to be a biggy!

Was he called a marquee signing? Again I don't remember this. Again taking a risk on players fitness is not exclusive to St Mirren, clearly just picking things to moan about as usual. 

My criticism of these deals is that they seem very much to have been made with undue haste as a consequence of a second successive summer of turmoil which even GLS admits has left us "behind the curve" and as I say unable to fill our bench with match ready players. You really threw yourself under the bus when you bought into GLSs "Masterplan" wheeze - LMFAO! :lol:

Never ideal to lose a manager at the time when we did, do you not think you're holding the club to unrealistic standards? To expect anything other than absolutely zero disruption in a manager change to be a 'failure?' Kindly point to the part in the article that stated in no uncertain terms that's what would happen? 

GLS master-plan as you like to call it (I wouldn't) has seen us make progress as a club every year since he became chairman. This sticks in the throat of the BOD boo boys. 

4 No you haven't debunked anything - the role of the DoF as stated by GLS when GM was appointed was to "provide continuity" which he failed to do this summer as recognized by GLS when he said we were "behind the curve". I don't have to "hate, deny or ignore" anything when I can disprove you by quoting GLSs actual words. :1eye

Firstly he isn't a DOF, he's a technical director. Secondly "we have a plan but not the manpower to define and execute it." Thirdly, the interview I read doesn't say about continuity in the fashion you seem to be suggesting. It says constant presence. Which he has been, even to the extent he was able to step-up and take training. Again feel free to correctly me with an actual quote because I can't find "provide continuity" anywhere, you appear to be wrong. 

5 No I'm not talking about your double-flip in the Two Stands issue I'm referring to you misrepresenting me our last discussion in the DoF thread about a month ago - you still owe me an apology for that DoubleFlip85.

I don't know what you mean about this, I thought it was my consistent two stand view that you cry about because GLS comments showed I was right. Feel free to elaborate

 

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I can keep this up as long as you can.....

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1 We don't have a 22 man squad we have a 19 man squad with 3 development players Breadner, Erhahon or MacPherson promoted above their current abilities and readiness - arguing otherwise is desperate..

2. 5 minutes in three months -keep telling yourself that! 

3. Losing the manager is a rather bland description of the summer's event but what I'm holding the club to is GLSs statement that the DoF was appointed to provide continuity which didn't happen in the summer and attempting to  shift the goalposts doesn't change that. :1eye

GLSs "Masterplan" as revealed in a pre-match radio interview before the Aberdeen game that you latched on was to wait later on in the window before signing your "targets"  - this was revealed for the nonsense it was in another interview prior to the Celtic game when he admitted the summers events had left us "behind the curve". No-one forced you to throw yourself under the bus defend the first statement - LMFAO!. :lol:

4. DoF/Technical Director - semantics which took you 4 months to challenge (wtf :rolleyes:) it doesn't change the fact that GM failed to provide continuity  this summer but if it makes you happy I will refer to him as TD in future posts. The club had a plan and once MacPherson was appointed it had "manpower to define and execute it" - to deny this is to say that the appointment of GM was pointless and is a bigger criticism of GLS than any I've ever made. You've tied yourself in knots so much you've become the King of Negative.  :lol:  It's all contained in the BBC article. :1eye

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45564078

5. Your doubleflip over the Two Stands issue is a matter of record and denying this would be embarrassing to a normal person although you clearly don't fit this description - the apology you owe is for misrepresenting me in the DoF thread last month, it's not the first time I've said so specifically today.. :1eye

 

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27 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

I can keep this up as long as you can.....

That's fine, a lot of what you're saying is your opinion from a negative perspective, it won't change mine. Other stuff is just wrong. 

1. Where are you getting this from? I have seen nothing from the club saying they’ve been “promoted above their current abilities and readiness.” Seems like just your negative baseless opinion. Entitled to it, as am I to challenge it due to it being based in absolutely no fact.  

2. You are yet to provide anything that suggests it was a “panic buy” what are you using as definition of “panic buy” here? Because it’s certainly not to meet the transfer deadline.

3. Debunked, read the news story you shared and show me where it says there would be absolutely no impact of a manager change or anything other than a continuing presence which Gus has been. If you don’t think that’s the case, point to where he hasn’t been continuously employed at the club since September 2018? As for the summer events, lots of grey areas & contrasting views. It’s a personal choice if people think GLS is completely in the right or OK is completely right. You clearly think it’s the latter, I think it’ll be somewhere in-between.

4. I let it go because it isn’t a big deal, agree on that. It got to the point where you were so constantly wrong on it, I thought I should correct you. If you can’t even read the article title, no wonder you got the content so wrong. "We want to have someone within the football department who will be a constant presence," Again, point out when Gus has not been a constant employee of SMFC since September 2018 please? Do you know what the word define means?

Next bit is word twisting… And very bad word twisting at that, it’s completely false. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/st-mirren-technical-director-gus-13629504 More clarity on what Gus role is, apparently after it was more “defined”

5. I have been completely consistent on the two stand arrangement, I have challenged you and others several times to show any element where I have changed my stance. It always follows avoidance or failure, depending on the contributor. I don’t remember misrepresenting you and don’t believe for a second you are being truthful about that. The amount of time you’ve spent on it, surely it would have been faster just to pick out the post? Deflection seems likely.

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