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Accounts to Year Ended May 31st 2019

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I said this last year and I'll say it again.

We are only able to continue because we've had player transfer money coming in.

Without it we'd be rooked.

That brutal reality is masking the illusion of a nice £100k profit.

We have essentially spunked out inheritance (McGinn money) and unless we find a substantial new source of income or cut costs drastically we'll have nothing to cover the projected £1m operating loss next year. Basically we're playing financial Russian roulette each year, praying for a pay-off to keep the game going.

I haven't changed my view from last year. This is financial mismanagement and at some point we're going to be in deep shit. Relegation for example would certainly do it. Even just surviving might not be enough next year.

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1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

I said this last year and I'll say it again.

We are only able to continue because we've had player transfer money coming in.

Without it we'd be rooked.

That brutal reality is masking the illusion of a nice £100k profit.

We have essentially spunked out inheritance and unless we find a new source of income or cut costs drastically we'll have nothing to cover the projected £1m operating loss next year. Basically we're playing financial Russian roulette each year, praying for a pay-off to keep the game going.

I haven't changed my view from last year. This is financial mismanagement and at some point we're going to be in deep shit. Relegation for example would certainly do it. Even just surviving might not be enough next year.

Would it not also be fair to say that with the money in the bank from McGinn the board gambled a (big) bit of it to ensure we stayed in the division.

A gamble which ultimately paid off?

The wage bill rose absolutely in line with our turnover which suggests they are setting and sticking to their budget just as we would expect.

Of the £900K operating loss £350K came from depreciation, we paid off two management teams and we laid a new astro pitch.

I'd contend that whilst it is a bit concerning I don't think it's quite as bad as it looks.

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51 minutes ago, div said:

Would it not also be fair to say that with the money in the bank from McGinn the board gambled a (big) bit of it to ensure we stayed in the division.

A gamble which ultimately paid off?

The wage bill rose absolutely in line with our turnover which suggests they are setting and sticking to their budget just as we would expect.

Of the £900K operating loss £350K came from depreciation, we paid off two management teams and we laid a new astro pitch.

I'd contend that whilst it is a bit concerning I don't think it's quite as bad as it looks.

It looks like he's gambled all of it but yes I think that is a fair statement. The problem with gambling the house is when it doesn't pay off. In that sense it's worrying.

The wage bill (and other expenses) and turnover both rose about 50% but remember if both expense and turnover figures increase by 50% then those two figures grow apart because expenses are outstripping turnover - hence the increase in operating loss.

What I will say is that in his favour, it's surely highly unlikely that he'll ever be paying off two management teams and replacing most of the squad in January again so there's scope for cost cutting there.

I also concede the bit about depreciation.

I'n no LPM though. To make me happy, I would like to see some evidence of financial planning beyond the short term and I'm seeing the opposite right now. I hope that changes. That increasing operating loss should not be underestimated.

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38 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

It looks like he's gambled all of it but yes I think that is a fair statement. The problem with gambling the house is when it doesn't pay off. In that sense it's worrying.

The wage bill (and other expenses) and turnover both rose about 50% but remember if both expense and turnover figures increase by 50% then those two figures grow apart because expenses are outstripping turnover - hence the increase in operating loss.

What I will say is that in his favour, it's surely highly unlikely that he'll ever be paying off two management teams and replacing most of the squad in January again so there's scope for cost cutting there.

I also concede the bit about depreciation.

I'n no LPM though. To make me happy, I would like to see some evidence of financial planning beyond the short term and I'm seeing the opposite right now. I hope that changes. That increasing operating loss should not be underestimated.

All fair comment.

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My god those accounts are a real laundry list of shit figures!
Turnover up by only a third despite promotion
But expenses up by fifty percent!!!

Wages up Again by an eye watering fifty percent!

Carrying financial assets down 70%
But liabilities up 30%!
And debtors up 160k

If it wasn't for cough, cough.. Youth income going up (guessing that's the council's payment to run street stuff?)
Then the REAL drop in profit would have been even larger...

Add to that as Oaky highlights the shocking operating loss and you are in real Sevco territory.

Going forward it will deteriorate as Oran & co payoffs are not included (after 31/5/19) theres no big transfer fee coming in, and whatever they spaffed on McAllister hits the balance sheet.
And if our fortunes on the pitch don't improve the clamour to blame and bag the manager as gates fall will just accelerate that negative trend.

The laughable chairman statement where he tries to say how well he has done by producing an 11k profit out of a 30% turnover increase and extra 300k player sales is a bit like the tories insisting there will be 50k more nurses if we don't detract the 19k already employed!

Still the directors got a bit more so its "kushty" as Del Boy would say.

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18 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

My god those accounts are a real laundry list of shit figures!
Turnover up by only a third despite promotion
But expenses up by fifty percent!!!

Wages up Again by an eye watering fifty percent!

Carrying financial assets down 70%
But liabilities up 30%!
And debtors up 160k

If it wasn't for cough, cough.. Youth income going up (guessing that's the council's payment to run street stuff?)
Then the REAL drop in profit would have been even larger...

Add to that as Oaky highlights the shocking operating loss and you are in real Sevco territory.

Going forward it will deteriorate as Oran & co payoffs are not included (after 31/5/19) theres no big transfer fee coming in, and whatever they spaffed on McAllister hits the balance sheet.
And if our fortunes on the pitch don't improve the clamour to blame and bag the manager as gates fall will just accelerate that negative trend.

The laughable chairman statement where he tries to say how well he has done by producing an 11k profit out of a 30% turnover increase and extra 300k player sales is a bit like the tories insisting there will be 50k more nurses if we don't detract the 19k already employed!

Still the directors got a bit more so its "kushty" as Del Boy would say.

Love how your rant about the accounts then just descends into your own wee fantasy land where you've got Goody getting sacked and the gates collapsing 🤣

On the last point, I don't personally expect Tony Fitzpatrick to work full time for nothing, do you?

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Love how your rant about the accounts then just descends into your own wee fantasy land where you've got Goody getting sacked and the gates collapsing
On the last point, I don't personally expect Tony Fitzpatrick to work full time for nothing, do you?
Why would a club employee's wages be listed as Director Expenses? That may constitute an element of false accounting?

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:
2 hours ago, div said:
Love how your rant about the accounts then just descends into your own wee fantasy land where you've got Goody getting sacked and the gates collapsing emoji1787.png
On the last point, I don't personally expect Tony Fitzpatrick to work full time for nothing, do you?

Why would a club employee's wages be listed as Director Expenses? That may constitute an element of false accounting?

As he’s listed on the front pages as a Director.

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4 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
16 minutes ago, aldo_j said:
As he’s listed on the front pages as a Director.

Aye we can all see that, but he is a paid employee. Directors don't get a salary for being Directors

He’s chief exec, so will be classed as an executive director. They then call out his entire salary. 

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I am not sure why you think this. The financial statements show the books were balanced last year.
Although expenses were high a fair chunk of it is non recurring. I would expect the player recruitment budget for the current year will have been set taking account of anticipated income and known ongoing costs. The fact that JG is talking about bringing in new players in January indicates that there is more cash to spend rather than a need for cutbacks.


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2 minutes ago, La Roche Derriere said:

I am not sure why you think this. The financial statements show the books were balanced last year.
Although expenses were high a fair chunk of it is non recurring. I would expect the player recruitment budget for the current year will have been set taking account of anticipated income and known ongoing costs. The fact that JG is talking about bringing in new players in January indicates that there is more cash to spend rather than a need for cutbacks.

 

Are you scoop1987?

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10 minutes ago, La Roche Derriere said:

If that is another forum poster then no.

Scoop1987 was an alias our current Chairman used on this forum a few years ago to criticize the then BoD whilst he was estranged..

You seem to have inside knowledge and you only started posting a couple of hours ago on the day after the financial Accounts were released, I guess I'm asking if you're GLS or if not then another Board member?

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