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St Mirren park doesn't have anything to offer as a concert venue when there is a custom built indoor arena 10 miles up the road that holds 14,000 people. You'd have to basically allow the promoters to use it for free to get anyone choosing to hold a concert there.

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1 hour ago, norman said:

St Mirren park doesn't have anything to offer as a concert venue when there is a custom built indoor arena 10 miles up the road that holds 14,000 people. You'd have to basically allow the promoters to use it for free to get anyone choosing to hold a concert there.

I only mentioned concerts as an example,what I was driving at is the fact that the stadium is empty and unused for 320 days a year ,the hospitality  and 1877  probably 300 days a year!

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St Mirren park doesn't have anything to offer as a concert venue when there is a custom built indoor arena 10 miles up the road that holds 14,000 people. You'd have to basically allow the promoters to use it for free to get anyone choosing to hold a concert there.
So how do Falkirk, Fakes etc manage to stage events if theres supposedly no demand for 8-10000 stadia?
I think you are making a large unfounded assumption. City centres hold concerts that size next door to indoor venues of the same capacity.

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49 minutes ago, waldorf34 said:

I only mentioned concerts as an example,what I was driving at is the fact that the stadium is empty and unused for 320 days a year ,the hospitality  and 1877  probably 300 days a year!

It could used many times a day and every day of the year if we invested in an AstroTurf pitch. 

Easy money. 

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6 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

So how do Falkirk, Fakes etc manage to stage events if theres supposedly no demand for 8-10000 stadia?
I think you are making a large unfounded assumption. City centres hold concerts that size next door to indoor venues of the same capacity.

You don't understand why stadiums in Falkirk and Perth, many, many miles away from other suitable venues occasionally get used for concerts, but St Mirren park, on the outskirts of Glasgow, with dozens of suitable venues, including a custom build indoor arena made specifically for concerts just minutes up the road isn't quite as in demand?

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You don't understand why stadiums in Falkirk and Perth, many, many miles away from other suitable venues occasionally get used for concerts, but St Mirren park, on the outskirts of Glasgow, with dozens of suitable venues, including a custom build indoor arena made specifically for concerts just minutes up the road isn't quite as in demand?
Isnt Falkirk just along the road from Ingliston?
Isnt the population, and catchment area of Perth minuscule in comparison to Paisley?
Do either have a Train station, motorway and Airport within a mile or so, and a lot of hotel rooms?
Just because it hasn't been done, or your not first to do it, doesn't mean you cant be the best!
Paisley gets rammed from people from across West/Central Scotland for fireworks, Halloween, winter wonderland etc, etc,... and as you point out just up the road the Irn Bru carnival is a substantial indoor venue.

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59 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Isnt Falkirk just along the road from Ingliston?
Isnt the population, and catchment area of Perth minuscule in comparison to Paisley?
Do either have a Train station, motorway and Airport within a mile or so, and a lot of hotel rooms?
Just because it hasn't been done, or your not first to do it, doesn't mean you cant be the best!
Paisley gets rammed from people from across West/Central Scotland for fireworks, Halloween, winter wonderland etc, etc,... and as you point out just up the road the Irn Bru carnival is a substantial indoor venue.

Well, if you think there is a huge demand for medium sized outdoor concerts on the outskirts of Paisley that mean promoters are willing to pay good money to host it there instead of just in the multiple venues in the biggest city in Scotland just up the road then fair enough, nobody can change that point of view.

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Well, if you think there is a huge demand for medium sized outdoor concerts on the outskirts of Paisley that mean promoters are willing to pay good money to host it there instead of just in the multiple venues in the biggest city in Scotland just up the road then fair enough, nobody can change that point of view.
If there is in Perth & Falkirk then it stands to reason there will be in a much more densely populated and better connected venue.

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:
2 hours ago, norman said:
Well, if you think there is a huge demand for medium sized outdoor concerts on the outskirts of Paisley that mean promoters are willing to pay good money to host it there instead of just in the multiple venues in the biggest city in Scotland just up the road then fair enough, nobody can change that point of view.

If there is in Perth & Falkirk then it stands to reason there will be in a much more densely populated and better connected venue.

So why are Hamilton, Motherwell and Partick Thistle not having loads of concerts? When was the last time Ibrox or Parkhead had one? Falkirk stadium is owned by the council, who are heavily subsidising bands to come there once it twice a year. When was the last time there was one in Perth?

If you think there are loads of bands knocking down St Mirren's door to give us stacks of cash to host concerts at our stadium and we are knocking them back then you are entitled to think that. There isn't though.

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3 minutes ago, norman said:

So why are Hamilton, Motherwell and Partick Thistle not having loads of concerts? When was the last time Ibrox or Parkhead had one? Falkirk stadium is owned by the council, who are heavily subsidising bands to come there once it twice a year. When was the last time there was one in Perth?

If you think there are loads of bands knocking down St Mirren's door to give us stacks of cash to host concerts at our stadium and we are knocking them back then you are entitled to think that. There isn't though.F

Falkirk Council do own the stadium. You are correct. The cafe there is busy every day and doubles as the hospitality space on match days. I go there often as it is not far from the motorway and has substantial free parking. As are and do Saints. 

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So why are Hamilton, Motherwell and Partick Thistle not having loads of concerts? When was the last time Ibrox or Parkhead had one? Falkirk stadium is owned by the council, who are heavily subsidising bands to come there once it twice a year. When was the last time there was one in Perth?
If you think there are loads of bands knocking down St Mirren's door to give us stacks of cash to host concerts at our stadium and we are knocking them back then you are entitled to think that. There isn't though.
So you agree the club should be more like Falkirk and get involved with local partners, stakeholders and the community to boost the available revenue streams. Good.
Fyi... bands dont book venues, promoters do, they take the financial risks. I guess Falkirk is well worth the risk.

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1 minute ago, Lord Pityme said:

So you agree the club should be more like Falkirk and get involved with local partners, stakeholders and the community to boost the available revenue streams. Good.
Fyi... bands dont book venues, promoters do, they take the financial risks. I guess Falkirk is well worth the risk.

I know it's the promoters, I said that in my very first post. Falkirk is worth the risk because they are paying very little to use the venue.

As for working with local stakeholders and the community, yes all for that. You are correct, the only way a concert at St Mirren park is going to happen is if the council want it to and are willing to subsidise the bill and make it attractive to promoters whilst making sure St Mirren make money out of it.

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I know it's the promoters, I said that in my very first post. Falkirk is worth the risk because they are paying very little to use the venue.
As for working with local stakeholders and the community, yes all for that. You are correct, the only way a concert at St Mirren park is going to happen is if the council want it to and are willing to subsidise the bill and make it attractive to promoters whilst making sure St Mirren make money out of it.
No... the only way it will work is if we get a board that arent bone idle lazy and refuse to do anything but kick kids and families out of their seats for the racists pound. The club own the stadium they dont need the council to hire it!

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6 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
16 minutes ago, norman said:
I know it's the promoters, I said that in my very first post. Falkirk is worth the risk because they are paying very little to use the venue.
As for working with local stakeholders and the community, yes all for that. You are correct, the only way a concert at St Mirren park is going to happen is if the council want it to and are willing to subsidise the bill and make it attractive to promoters whilst making sure St Mirren make money out of it.

No... the only way it will work is if we get a board that arent bone idle lazy and refuse to do anything but kick kids and families out of their seats for the racists pound. The club own the stadium they dont need the council to hire it!

Well they need somebody to hire it, which brings us back to the first point I made, promoters aren't interested in hiring a small football stadium on the outskirts of Paisley for concerts when the biggest city in Scotland is just down the road with multiple custom built facilities that are not only better suited, but cheaper as well.

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19 minutes ago, norman said:

I know it's the promoters, I said that in my very first post. Falkirk is worth the risk because they are paying very little to use the venue.

As for working with local stakeholders and the community, yes all for that. You are correct, the only way a concert at St Mirren park is going to happen is if the council want it to and are willing to subsidise the bill and make it attractive to promoters whilst making sure St Mirren make money out of it.

It's a lot more than that,the hospitality and 1877 area are not used 300 days and nights a year!

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Well they need somebody to hire it, which brings us back to the first point I made, promoters aren't interested in hiring a small football stadium on the outskirts of Paisley for concerts when the biggest city in Scotland is just down the road with multiple custom built facilities that are not only better suited, but cheaper as well.
Sorry how do you know this, have you marketed the stadium to promoters in the last year?
And why would an a promoter of an act capable of getting in around 8000 spend all that extra money on a 15000 capacity venue?
Your arguments are laughable.
It's been done in less populated, worst connected, inferior venues. It simply hasn't been tried at the SDA yet.
But maybe that's the bit you are against? 'TRYING'

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Just now, Lord Pityme said:

Sorry how do you know this, have you marketed the stadium to promoters in the last year?
And why would an a promoter of an act capable of getting in around 8000 spend all that extra money on a 15000 capacity venue?
Your arguments are laughable.
It's been done in less populated, worst connected, inferior venues. It simply hasn't been tried at the SDA yet.
But maybe that's the bit you are against? 'TRYING'

My arguments aren't laughable I'm afraid, that's why you are getting all upset. To have a concert at St Mirren you need to pay to hire the ground. You need to pay enough that St Mirren can repair any damage to the pitch. You need to provide and build a stage, lighting, rigging, big screen. You need to bring facilities such as changing rooms, staff catering, probably another 100 things I've not listed that Hydro already have, not to mention then dealing with the police, getting a license from the council and all that. There are no stadiums in or around Glasgow right now having these events for a reason.

I'm all for using the stadium to make money out with match day, but let's not be f**king stupid about it.

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My arguments aren't laughable I'm afraid, that's why you are getting all upset. To have a concert at St Mirren you need to pay to hire the ground. You need to pay enough that St Mirren can repair any damage to the pitch. You need to provide and build a stage, lighting, rigging, big screen. You need to bring facilities such as changing rooms, staff catering, probably another 100 things I've not listed that Hydro already have, not to mention then dealing with the police, getting a license from the council and all that. There are no stadiums in or around Glasgow right now having these events for a reason.
I'm all for using the stadium to make money out with match day, but let's not be f**king stupid about it.
Oooooooh get you dear!
The reality is you simply fo not know if the stadium could be a successful music etc venue in the summer whilst it lies empty....
But many other words sighted ones are successful. And arrange any additional facilty required.
If the club get only £10k profit out of each gig, feck me even half of that is a no-brainer!
Unless you are completely negative, like our board to trying anything other than racism to boost your income.
Your answer seems to be to say 'naw'... well you'll reap the reward of that outlook alright.

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9 minutes ago, norman said:

My arguments aren't laughable I'm afraid, that's why you are getting all upset. To have a concert at St Mirren you need to pay to hire the ground. You need to pay enough that St Mirren can repair any damage to the pitch. You need to provide and build a stage, lighting, rigging, big screen. You need to bring facilities such as changing rooms, staff catering, probably another 100 things I've not listed that Hydro already have, not to mention then dealing with the police, getting a license from the council and all that. There are no stadiums in or around Glasgow right now having these events for a reason.

I'm all for using the stadium to make money out with match day, but let's not be f**king stupid about it.

Do you know how much it costs to hire the Hydro for a one night gig including all of the facilities you have listed?

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Sorry how do you know this, have you marketed the stadium to promoters in the last year?
And why would an a promoter of an act capable of getting in around 8000 spend all that extra money on a 15000 capacity venue?
Your arguments are laughable.
It's been done in less populated, worst connected, inferior venues. It simply hasn't been tried at the SDA yet.
But maybe that's the bit you are against? 'TRYING'


Do you know for fact it hasn't been tried?

LPM and facts, what was I thinking.

So what venue has a 15,000 capacity? Hydro is 13,000 max https://www.sec.co.uk/organise-an-event/event-spaces/the-sse-hydro

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3 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Oooooooh get you dear!
The reality is you simply fo not know if the stadium could be a successful music etc venue in the summer whilst it lies empty....
But many other words sighted ones are successful. And arrange any additional facilty required.
If the club get only £10k profit out of each gig, feck me even half of that is a no-brainer!
Unless you are completely negative, like our board to trying anything other than racism to boost your income.
Your answer seems to be to say 'naw'... well you'll reap the reward of that outlook alright.

My answer was considered and fair. You are the one who is getting angrier and angrier. Like I say, if you think there is demand for, and money to be made from, concerts in small football stadiums around Glasgow and every single club is wrong and you are correct, then you are totally entitled to that opinion. I gave you reasons why you are wrong, you don't have to accept them.

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