Guest TPAFKATS Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 We wont get every minute detail, but this sounds like one that most of us would like to know before voting.Just for clarity, I'm sure the first part of my post that you've commented on was actually a post by Dickson that I quoted.Bloody quote function.Bloody Chinese government attacking my phone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Re voting....Is it only for those at the meeting or open to ALL SMISA members? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said: Re voting.... Is it only for those at the meeting or open to ALL SMISA members? Got my reply... Vote will be same as a normal SMISA vote via Very Connect system which has recently seen an upturn in registrations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Got my reply... Vote will be same as a normal SMISA vote via Very Connect system which has recently seen an upturn in registrationsTa much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, alanb said: Got my reply... Vote will be same as a normal SMISA vote via Very Connect system which has recently seen an upturn in registrations So that means it will be a majority of people voting ,not majority of members,need to get PR started to get everyone to vote!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Say NO to Kibble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 From Companies House... Five Trustees are also employees earning over £80,000 per annum EACH. Two of them are paid over £100,000. Eight Trustees are employees being paid over £600,000... Well over half a million every year Some "charity"! Their grant income has reduced by more than half year on year. Charitable income is down. If only they had access to an easy cash cow! BEWARE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, waldorf34 said: So that means it will be a majority of people voting ,not majority of members,need to get PR started to get everyone to vote!! What it means is only members can yote and it is up to them if they do or don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whydowebother Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Say NO to KibbleIndeed.No brainer, our 3 votes will be NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, alanb said: What it means is only members can yote and it is up to them if they do or don't. But it could end up with a minority of members approving this ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, waldorf34 said: But it could end up with a minority of members approving this ! All up to the members, their choice. Whether you agree or not, they should all know the rules as they are at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just now, alanb said: All up to the members, their choice. Whether you agree or not, they should all know the rules as they are at the moment. Thete are no specific rules regarding this, its allowing one party to a legal agreement to be allowed to break that agreement It should only pass by the majority of the members ,ie 650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, BuddieinEK said: From Companies House... Five Trustees are also employees earning over £80,000 per annum EACH. Two of them are paid over £100,000. Eight Trustees are employees being paid over £600,000... Well over half a million every year Some "charity"! Their grant income has reduced by more than half year on year. Charitable income is down. If only they had access to an easy cash cow! BEWARE! I read somewhere else they have 700 staff and only 200 in residential care ,huge ratio ,but it's not just the salaries but large pension contributions too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, BuddieinEK said: From Companies House... Five Trustees are also employees earning over £80,000 per annum EACH. Two of them are paid over £100,000. Eight Trustees are employees being paid over £600,000... Well over half a million every year Some "charity"! Their grant income has reduced by more than half year on year. Charitable income is down. If only they had access to an easy cash cow! BEWARE! Say NO to Kibble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, waldorf34 said: I read somewhere else they have 700 staff and only 200 in residential care ,huge ratio ,but it's not just the salaries but large pension contributions too The ratio in these places is always top heavy. We have a smaller, but similar, institution close to here. Surprised me when I seen the numbers of staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, waldorf34 said: Thete are no specific rules regarding this, its allowing one party to a legal agreement to be allowed to break that agreement It should only pass by the majority of the members ,ie 650 I am sure you or a proxy will canvass your opinion at the meeting on Thursday. Happy for it to even go to an EGM but need members to still engage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, faraway saint said: The ratio in these places is always top heavy. We have a smaller, but similar, institution close to here. Surprised me when I seen the numbers of staff. Approx ratio in the place close to here is approx 170 staff to 36 residents. The residents range from minor offenders to murderers. Nothing to do, directly, with the Kibble, but just shows the ratio is quite high. I hope the Kibble is run better than the one here, it's a fecking shambles. Edited February 2, 2020 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 I am only a concerned bystander in this as I am not a SMISA member nor do I have shares in the club or have any connection with Kibble. I haven't looked at the rules but find it hard to envisage that significant ownership of assets can or maybe more importantly should be passed by a simple majority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whydowebother Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Approx ratio in the place close to here is approx 170 staff to 36 residents. The residents range from minor offenders to murderers. Nothing to do, directly, with the Kibble, but just shows the ratio is quite high. I hope the Kibble is run better than the one here, it's a fecking shambles. However, 24 hours in a day = 3 x 8 hour shifts ? Still quite a ratio however As part of my job I get to inspect prisons , Armley prison , Wealstun Young offenders / hospitals/ sports facilities ( Leeds United / Leeds Rhinos / Yorkshire Cricket Club etc ) The sporting venues have a vastly inferior ratio to the sheer volume of people they care for obviously The Young offenders unit however, is very similar if not greater than the numbers you quoted The sheer cost of the people who require looking after , based on the criminal element is criminal in itself !!Wee neds costing the taxpayer a ridiculous amount of money !! The money can be justified on those children in the care system however through no fault of their own & as a foster parent myself, there are good kids out there worthy of ever penny spent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 43 minutes ago, cockles1987 said: 1 hour ago, waldorf34 said: Thete are no specific rules regarding this, its allowing one party to a legal agreement to be allowed to break that agreement It should only pass by the majority of the members ,ie 650 There is a rule. Are you willing to come forward and publicly show the illegality of this process? Never said anything was illegal, what rule covers external sales of shares not owned by Smisa?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 4 hours ago, alanb said: Got my reply... Vote will be same as a normal SMISA vote via Very Connect system which has recently seen an upturn in registrations But you cannot join now ,membership closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 But you cannot join now ,membership closedSo I see, oh well all you can do is hope it goes your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 My understanding is that some members had still to register with the new system. Rather than new members registering. [emoji106]Joining SMiSA suspended for the moment to “ protect the integrity off a pending vote”Memberships to reopen sometime in February Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanb Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 My understanding is that some members had still to register with the new system. Rather than new members registering. [emoji106]Seems very connect sign up has recently increased and SMiSA are chasing up those yet to do soGot this info in response to question on vote method Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 I read somewhere else they have 700 staff and only 200 in residential care ,huge ratio ,but it's not just the salaries but large pension contributions tooIs that a huge ratio?They provide 24/7 care and will have numerous shifts rotating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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