bazil85 Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Massive announcements and changes to BTB announced. Will be down to the members to vote for or against. www.smisa.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 The biggest KNOWN stitch up that deprives fans of what they were promised.Did anyone ever think Scott was going to hand over control of the club to the fans...? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Looking forward to a sensible, rational, grown-up debate on these proposals. Anyone know of a forum where I'm likely to find that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stu said: Looking forward to a sensible, rational, grown-up debate on these proposals. Anyone know of a forum where I'm likely to find that? You were four minutes too late, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Sounds like a good proposal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Yeah, I'll be voting for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Fans will still end with 51% of the club so sound like a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 51 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: The biggest KNOWN stitch up that deprives fans of what they were promised. Did anyone ever think Scott was going to hand over control of the club to the fans...? Really? Yes, either way the vote goes, the majority control goes to the fans. Here was me thinking this might be something you were all in on, banging on for years about a supposed belief that community benefit is important to you in BTB. Goes to show, the most important part for you, is the hammering of GLS/ SMISA at any possible point. Suppose we knew that from your disgraceful comments on the additional vote Christmas before last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 I was a founding member but bailed out when ring fenced money started to be used for other purposes. Now that I have read the proposals for the Kibble involvement and that SMiSA will be the major shareholder but appointing their Directors and not just having fans volunteer their services I shall be rejoining. I am all for community involvement and with a partnership with the Kibble this should increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamhammer Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Genuine question as I’m not an expert on charitable organisations, do non profit making charities such as the Kibble not budget to break even every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, Iamhammer said: Genuine question as I’m not an expert on charitable organisations, do non profit making charities such as the Kibble not budget to break even every year? Not necessarily. There are also advantages in taxation, gift aid and rates relief amongst others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, Iamhammer said: Genuine question as I’m not an expert on charitable organisations, do non profit making charities such as the Kibble not budget to break even every year? They are a non-profit making organisation, That just means any profits they do make are re-invested back into the organisation rather than paid out to shareholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Iamhammer said: Genuine question as I’m not an expert on charitable organisations, do non profit making charities such as the Kibble not budget to break even every year? 3 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Not necessarily. There are also advantages in taxation, gift aid and rates relief amongst others. Ricky has it right. most charities will have reserves to help them cope with unexpected drops in income or extra costs etc they (their accountants) may try to make it look like a break-even year on year, in order to keep getting council or govt funding. some mega charities like oxfam, rspb, lifeboats do make profits that are reinvested... and don’t necessarily get govt grants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Genuine question as I’m not an expert on charitable organisations, do non profit making charities such as the Kibble not budget to break even every year? Nope Kibble are in reality a business who make profit, quite a lot of profit.I do laugh at all this community guff talked about them. These days most of the young people under their supervision dont come from Paisley, Renfrewshire or even SCOTLAND!That's how they take the cash in, by becoming a "Young Vulnerabe Care Tourist" resort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Nope Kibble are in reality a business who make profit, quite a lot of profit.I do laugh at all this community guff talked about them. These days most of the young people under their supervision dont come from Paisley, Renfrewshire or even SCOTLAND!That's how they take the cash in, by becoming a "Young Vulnerabe Care Tourist" resort.Who gets the profits if they are a business and not a charity ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 42 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Nope Kibble are in reality a business who make profit, quite a lot of profit. I do laugh at all this community guff talked about them. These days most of the young people under their supervision dont come from Paisley, Renfrewshire or even SCOTLAND! That's how they take the cash in, by becoming a "Young Vulnerabe Care Tourist" resort. No. They are very definitely a charity unless you can prove impropriety. Is this how you operate with everything? You think you can hide behind a username and simply say what you want without proof and expect no consequences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Nope Kibble are in reality a business who make profit, quite a lot of profit. I do laugh at all this community guff talked about them. These days most of the young people under their supervision dont come from Paisley, Renfrewshire or even SCOTLAND! That's how they take the cash in, by becoming a "Young Vulnerabe Care Tourist" resort. So you are stating that Kibble are trading illegally ie in breach of their charitable status. You need to wind these wild accusations in a bit and / or moderators need to get a grip here. Some of these allegations / accusations are wandering into very dangerous territory here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfish Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Nope Kibble are in reality a business who make profit, quite a lot of profit.I do laugh at all this community guff talked about them. These days most of the young people under their supervision dont come from Paisley, Renfrewshire or even SCOTLAND!That's how they take the cash in, by becoming a "Young Vulnerabe Care Tourist" resort.Very interesting undertone in that post. Particularly capitalising the ‘SCOTLAND’ part.I’m sure you’d like to set the record straight that there’s no element of racism in your post, and the background of the young people under their supervision is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sonny said: I was a founding member but bailed out when ring fenced money started to be used for other purposes. Now that I have read the proposals for the Kibble involvement and that SMiSA will be the major shareholder but appointing their Directors and not just having fans volunteer their services I shall be rejoining. I am all for community involvement and with a partnership with the Kibble this should increase. I like the feel of it. I will be voting yes let's do it. Community Football Club and a local Charity helping young people facing adversity. Seems like a really worthwhile direction for the Club to take. Genuinely becoming more than just a football club. Edited January 29, 2020 by magnus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, oaksoft said: No. They are very definitely a charity unless you can prove impropriety. Is this how you operate with everything? You think you can hide behind a username and simply say what you want without proof and expect no consequences? Stinks of his (proven wrong) comments on illegal/ non-regulatory activity at SMISA regarding their status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB18 Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 This will certainly get my vote.Having guys at the club who have a genuine interest in the local community and can help us move forward as a football club.No brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Very interesting undertone in that post. Particularly capitalising the ‘SCOTLAND’ part.I’m sure you’d like to set the record straight that there’s no element of racism in your post, and the background of the young people under their supervision is irrelevant.Kibble take in swathes of young vulnerable people from England. Makes you're post look a bit silly now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Kibble take in swathes of young vulnerable people from England. Makes you're post look a bit silly now. So what? The bit highlighted in bold should be and rightly is, the only factor in who they take in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, div said: They are a non-profit making organisation, That just means any profits they do make are re-invested back into the organisation rather than paid out to shareholders. Trade under the name Kibbleworks ,private limited company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Kibble take in swathes of young vulnerable people from England. Is that the Scottish runaways the English are chasing back up the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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