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2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Honest question for anyone/everyone.
If A.N. Other came along with a counter proposal to lend smisa the funds now to buy Scott's shares.
And that they would undertake to invest in building the club's community trust to advantage all in the local community. And invest in the playing/infrastructure of the club.
And in return would want to be chairman for say five year period then subject to vote if still keen.
How do you think you would vote?
And the above proposal ensured a smisa board majority.

that offer is a bit short on detail, is it not?

the one we have in front of us at the moment is a bit more than 6 lines in a thread in the middle of a fans forum!

Come on get sensible Sir!

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1 minute ago, portmahomack saint said:

That's not what I heard ?  they said at the meeting they are service provider and that's how they make their money, 

not to detriment or cost to SMFC though, that's what I heard.
Worth following up on your point though - just to be clear.

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23 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

No that's just what Div wants you to think.

Div wants everyone to review the facts of the proposal and to make their own minds up about what way to vote.

Div doesn't mind if the proposal is defeated or accepted.

Either way Div will be a SMiSA member for ever more.

Div doesn't do walking away.

Don't speak for Div thank you very much, Div can do it for himself.

ps; Let's not forget that Div is giving you the public platform to absolutely slate the Kibble, SMiSA, the club, the board and the chairman. I'm all for free speech.

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to be fair - does this deal not answer all of your concerns?
are smisa not bringing this deal to the table, to bring on board the necessary expertise that you mention?
it's actually a masterstroke by the fans group!
It's being sold as a deal that seems to good to be true. My only concern is there doesn't appear to be substance behind the claims.
Still can't see what they get back for their significant investment (time and money)

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1 minute ago, TPAFKATS said:

It's being sold as a deal that seems to good to be true. My only concern is there doesn't appear to be substance behind the claims.
Still can't see what they get back for their significant investment (time and money)

The Kibble will benefit greatly from brand awareness and by association with St Mirren Football Club,
Positioning themselves alongside the clubs brand will project them right out into the forefront across Scotland,
They will benefit from the opportunities this brings them to grow their own business activities,

They will have access to St MIrren football club facilities, which will in turn benefit vulnerable young people and the community of Paisley - that's why they exist.

They are not hiding any of this and St Mirren Football club will benefit as a result.

 

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thats business
In 2016, we bought into the deal presented for BTB and took what was said to be the right deal & paid into it.

Last week, I ordered a new car, specific model, in black & whacked down my money for the deal

When I take delivery of that car, if anything is not as I bought into, I'll be getting my money back & spending it on something that is what I bought.

Now,

If this deal gets approved, myself and anyone else dissatisfied with the change we didn't authorise should be entitled to get their money back.



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My take since last night, there seems to be a fair number of people that have taken comfort in the content and support for the arrangement has seemingly risen/ solidified (granted it’s only the social media take and won’t be close to absolute). Still some undecided but if BAWA poll (with 618 responses 54% in favour, 37% undecided and 9% against so far) is anything to go by it looks like this deal could pass with a landslide.

There are still a few against as well as we see on here with some valid concerns. Some searching through the muck to find them right enough. The majority of against comments are clearly down to long-term vendettas against SMISA/ GLS which would exist regardless of what was proposed and indeed as we have seen, exist with the current proposal. We are also seeing a predictable last gasp scaremongering campaign with some absolute gems so far:

  • That members who vote against this will likely end their membership (he’s been making similar claims for years now yet to his clear frustration BTB has held strong at over 120% initial membership target)
  • that Kibble are in this for a financial gain from the football club, ultimately a belief that they’re coming in to take money out of the club to our detriment.
  • Conflict is inevitable and will harm both parties.

Fortunately the mask has slipped on that individual a long time ago and it’s very common knowledge on here that his comments don’t generally hold much truth and are only targeted to try and hurt GLS/ SMISA

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6 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Already covered.  Already covered.  Don't give a shit.

I'll take that as a yes, fill your boots. I'm discussing the proposal.

Sorry you're still hung-up on our last argument. clearly it has festered with you and that wasn't my intention.

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2 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

My take since last night, there seems to be a fair number of people that have taken comfort in the content and support for the arrangement has seemingly risen/ solidified (granted it’s only the social media take and won’t be close to absolute). Still some undecided but if BAWA poll (with 618 responses 54% in favour, 37% undecided and 9% against so far) is anything to go by it looks like this deal could pass with a landslide.

There are still a few against as well as we see on here with some valid concerns. Some searching through the muck to find them right enough. The majority of against comments are clearly down to long-term vendettas against SMISA/ GLS which would exist regardless of what was proposed and indeed as we have seen, exist with the current proposal. We are also seeing a predictable last gasp scaremongering campaign with some absolute gems so far:

  • That members who vote against this will likely end their membership (he’s been making similar claims for years now yet to his clear frustration BTB has held strong at over 120% initial membership target)
  • that Kibble are in this for a financial gain from the football club, ultimately a belief that they’re coming in to take money out of the club to our detriment.
  • Conflict is inevitable and will harm both parties.

Fortunately the mask has slipped on that individual a long time ago and it’s very common knowledge on here that his comments don’t generally hold much truth and are only targeted to try and hurt GLS/ SMISA

What's holding up the video of the meeting

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4 minutes ago, Kombibuddie said:

In 2016, we bought into the deal presented for BTB and took what was said to be the right deal & paid into it.

Last week, I ordered a new car, specific model, in black & whacked down my money for the deal

When I take delivery of that car, if anything is not as I bought into, I'll be getting my money back & spending it on something that is what I bought.

Now,

If this deal gets approved, myself and anyone else dissatisfied with the change we didn't authorise should be entitled to get their money back.


 

That could very well be true, I imagine there's a really decent chance of that standing up.

Here's hoping if the deal is voted through fans of St Mirren Football Club respect the democratic change in direction and consider the consequences multiple refund requests could have on the football club they support. 

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That's not what I heard ?  they said at the meeting they are service provider and that's how they make their money, 
How come they've got a £30 million turnover then?
Unless you mean they aren't going to charge for being on the board and talking? I guess they might give that as a freebie. Lol

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Just now, portmahomack saint said:

What's holding up the video of the meeting

I'm not sure, hopefully up soon. I couldn't make it last night after all so really want to see it. base don the feedback I'm 99% sure I'll be a yes now but want to rubber stamp that. 

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that offer is a bit short on detail, is it not?
the one we have in front of us at the moment is a bit more than 6 lines in a thread in the middle of a fans forum!
Come on get sensible Sir!
Really, all I have heard re Kibble is vague promises of expertise. Not a figure or number discussed.

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44 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:

It's being sold as a deal that seems to good to be true. My only concern is there doesn't appear to be substance behind the claims.
Still can't see what they get back for their significant investment (time and money)

Couldn't make the meeting but that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

GS said in a recent interview there would be no short term cash benefits for the club but hopefully in the future there would be extra money for the team on the park. Did anyone give any specifics or is this just because they feel Kibble are better commercial operators than SMFC AND SMISA and would use OUR assets better than we could.

It is clearly stated on SMISA website, for all to see, that if the partnership doesn't work (not saying it won't) and SMISA dissolve (Not saying they will) the way is paved for a future St Kibble with  no fan ownership. (Not saying its the plan)

If it goes through hopefully kibble and there business people, with all there expertise, will generate millions create hunners of jobs and produce a world beating team and we'll all live happily ever after.

Doesn't really sound like the St Mirren way (just saying)

Looking forward to the video release of the meeting. Not sure how I'm voting yet.

Edited by East Lothian Saint

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2 minutes ago, Kombibuddie said:

In 2016, we bought into the deal presented for BTB and took what was said to be the right deal & paid into it.

Last week, I ordered a new car, specific model, in black & whacked down my money for the deal

When I take delivery of that car, if anything is not as I bought into, I'll be getting my money back & spending it on something that is what I bought.

Now,

If this deal gets approved, myself and anyone else dissatisfied with the change we didn't authorise should be entitled to get their money back.


 

taking your analogy...

You've ordered a new car - , you've paid a deposit up front, about £20, It'll cost you £71 eventually, but you are aware you don't get delivery of it yet for at least another 6 years sir? and you are aware there are a few aspects of the car we're still trying to work out how to operate, like the brakes and headlights, steering wheel seems ok though. It'll be alright though when we deliver it to you - we're sure of that, of that you can be guaranteed 🙂

A while later...

Sir, you know that car you've ordered, not due for another few years - we know you really like it. Well there's an opportunity for us to deliver it to you sooner. We've found a solution for the brakes and headlights and actually the steering is much better than before and you'll not believe this - it will cost you a lot less, only £51, Sir.

How does that sound?

Of course you are entitled to cancel your order, but I'm afraid sir you won't be entitled to your deposit back!

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The Kibble will benefit greatly from brand awareness and by association with St Mirren Football Club,
Positioning themselves alongside the clubs brand will project them right out into the forefront across Scotland,
They will benefit from the opportunities this brings them to grow their own business activities,
They will have access to St MIrren football club facilities, which will in turn benefit vulnerable young people and the community of Paisley - that's why they exist.
They are not hiding any of this and St Mirren Football club will benefit as a result.
 


They already have great brand awareness by being positioned alongside all of SMFC material from website, programmes etc through to highest profile advertising in stadium and the interview backgrounds pre and post match.
I'm looking to hear about the access and what they currently pay against the arrangements post deal.
They don't exist for the local community, their website states this quite clearly.

I'm not against the deal, I'd just like to see through the current smoke and mirrors and get transparency and more detail.

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Div wants everyone to review the facts of the proposal and to make their own minds up about what way to vote.

Div doesn't mind if the proposal is defeated or accepted.

Either way Div will be a SMiSA member for ever more.

Div doesn't do walking away.

Don't speak for Div thank you very much, Div can do it for himself.

ps; Let's not forget that Div is giving you the public platform to absolutely slate the Kibble, SMiSA, the club, the board and the chairman. I'm all for free speech.

So why come on here yesterday with your best Bazil impersonation and state that I hate smfc?

You've got a weird way of demonstrating free speech.

See me, I haven't slated one poster who had argued the case for the proposal, or if they'll vote for it. I might not agree, but I respect their choices.

That's the truth, not all this big bad saints hating LPM guff.

Are you Bazil?

P.s... where have I slated Kibble? The truth is quite the opposite.

 

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They already have great brand awareness by being positioned alongside all of SMFC material from website, programmes etc through to highest profile advertising in stadium and the interview backgrounds pre and post match.
I'm looking to hear about the access and what they currently pay against the arrangements post deal.
They don't exist for the local community, their website states this quite clearly.

I'm not against the deal, I'd just like to see through the current smoke and mirrors and get transparency and more detail.
That's reasonable.

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taking your analogy...
You've ordered a new car - , you've paid a deposit up front, about £20, It'll cost you £71 eventually, but you are aware you don't get delivery of it yet for at least another 6 years sir? and you are aware there are a few aspects of the car we're still trying to work out how to operate, like the brakes and headlights, steering wheel seems ok though. It'll be alright though when we deliver it to you - we're sure of that, of that you can be guaranteed
A while later...
Sir, you know that car you've ordered, not due for another few years - we know you really like it. Well there's an opportunity for us to deliver it to you sooner. We've found a solution for the brakes and headlights and actually the steering is much better than before and you'll not believe this - it will cost you a lot less, only £51, Sir.
How does that sound?
Of course you are entitled to cancel your order, but I'm afraid sir you won't be entitled to your deposit back!
And we'll be driving it every weekend!

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2 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

That could very well be true, I imagine there's a really decent chance of that standing up.

Here's hoping if the deal is voted through fans of St Mirren Football Club respect the democratic change in direction and consider the consequences multiple refund requests could have on the football club they support. 

Basil,

I accept your argument regarding democratic vote on the £2 pot spend. It's well documented that there's a few votes where i'd rather have seen the money saved instead of being spent on things I believed The Club should be paying for. Not the fans

Your little stab at emotional blackmail (highlighted in red) is absolute horseshite.

If there's enough of a drop off in membership of SMISA, because of this and endangers BTB,as you suggest there could be , then that is your evidence that the new proposal was not the right deal. "Consequences of multiple refund requests" Seriously!

This change in the deal would be a fundamental change in what was sold to us & therefore, I believe, those who have not sanctioned the deal are entitled to be refunded what they've paid in minus their £2 contributions to the £2 Pot Spend votes as that money has already been "invested. 

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Basil,
I accept your argument regarding democratic vote on the £2 pot spend. It's well documented that there's a few votes where i'd rather have seen the money saved instead of being spent on things I believed The Club should be paying for. Not the fans
Your little stab at emotional blackmail (highlighted in red) is absolute horseshite.
If there's enough of a drop off in membership of SMISA, because of this and endangers BTB,as you suggest there could be , then that is your evidence that the new proposal was not the right deal. "Consequences of multiple refund requests" Seriously!
This change in the deal would be a fundamental change in what was sold to us & therefore, I believe, those who have not sanctioned the deal are entitled to be refunded what they've paid in minus their £2 contributions to the £2 Pot Spend votes as that money has already been "invested. 
Yip just the subs back please, keep your balls!

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