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Kibble/SMiSA Partnership Proposal (Merged)

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I have to say I'm disappointed in the Smisa committee for sending out that email today titled a "Reminder to Vote". A reminder should be just that, a nudge to the recipient in case they have forgotten about the vote. Nothing more than that. Instead Smisa have used this email as another opportunity to push their case for a Yes vote. That's not a "reminder" it is blatant propaganda aimed at influencing the voter. We've already seen the original email pushing for members' support for the proposal, we've had the opportunity to attend the Q&A, and the video of that Q&A is out on general release. Yet still the "reminder" isn't even-handed. Poor show IMO. Fear that the proposal might fail ? 
And I'm wondering what exactly is the criteria that entitles people to cast a vote here. Do you have to be an active member of (contributor to) BtB or is just being a Smisa member enough to qualify ? I am in the latter category (non-contributor) yet I am being invited to vote. Why should I have the same voting rights as those who are shelling out their hard-earned £££ every month ? I have presumed that this is an administrative error and I won't be voting as I feel unqualified to cast a vote. Certainly morally unqualified.
I got the reminder.

Still waiting on a reply to the questions I submitted following the first invitation to vote.

Wouldn't it be funny if my reply came in just before the deadline giving me enough time to vote but after most votes have been cast and further discussion in public is pointless?

Cynical? Moi?

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21 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Being positive doesn’t mean you’ll always agree with everything that happens. The BOD made a mistake in hiring Stubbs last season & in turn he made a mistake in multiple signings. I aired my frustration, there was no ‘attacking’ 

 

As I said, you were negative towards the manager, the players and the club.

Other forum members have the right to not agree with everything as well!

As for Stubbs, it was a mistake in your opinion.

The reality is that he had a more successful League Cup campaign than either Jack Ross or Jim Goodwin managed.

He was sacked after 4 league games, 1 of which he won and 2 of which were away to Rangers and Hearts

In effect, he was sacked on the basis of 1 game - a defeat to Livingston - as they were assumed to be cannon fodder. How wrong was that assumption!

That highlights that you are a negative person in the extreme! 

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I got the reminder.

Still waiting on a reply to the questions I submitted following the first invitation to vote.

Wouldn't it be funny if my reply came in just before the deadline giving me enough time to vote but after most votes have been cast and further discussion in public is pointless?

Cynical? Moi?

Have you chased them up?

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I have to say I'm disappointed in the Smisa committee for sending out that email today titled a "Reminder to Vote". A reminder should be just that, a nudge to the recipient in case they have forgotten about the vote. Nothing more than that. Instead Smisa have used this email as another opportunity to push their case for a Yes vote. That's not a "reminder" it is blatant propaganda aimed at influencing the voter. We've already seen the original email pushing for members' support for the proposal, we've had the opportunity to attend the Q&A, and the video of that Q&A is out on general release. Yet still the "reminder" isn't even-handed. Poor show IMO. Fear that the proposal might fail ? 
And I'm wondering what exactly is the criteria that entitles people to cast a vote here. Do you have to be an active member of (contributor to) BtB or is just being a Smisa member enough to qualify ? I am in the latter category (non-contributor) yet I am being invited to vote. Why should I have the same voting rights as those who are shelling out their hard-earned £££ every month ? I have presumed that this is an administrative error and I won't be voting as I feel unqualified to cast a vote. Certainly morally unqualified.
They've seen the vote split so far, and ad predicted are shutting themselves it's not going to send us all to the Kibble. Lol

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5 minutes ago, Hiram Abiff said:

As I said, you were negative towards the manager, the players and the club.

Other forum members have the right to not agree with everything as well!

As for Stubbs, it was a mistake in your opinion.

The reality is that he had a more successful League Cup campaign than either Jack Ross or Jim Goodwin managed.

He was sacked after 4 league games, 1 of which he won and 2 of which were away to Rangers and Hearts

In effect, he was sacked on the basis of 1 game - a defeat to Livingston - as they were assumed to be cannon fodder. How wrong was that assumption!

That highlights that you are a negative person in the extreme! 

Sure was 

never claimed they do. 


sure was 

wasn’t the reason I thought he should get sacked, I think most agree it was the right call but you’re right, it’s a matter of opinion. 
 

also wasn’t the reason I wanted him sacked, IMO you’re just looking at situations in isolation. 
 

I disagree, as above you seem to be looking at things in isolation and you’re welcome to that opinion. 
 

no it doesn’t, by your requirements anyone that disagrees with even one decision during their life as a supporter is an ‘extremely negative person’ 
 

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Just a wee word of caution

all charities are founded with a set of aims and values 

by setting up a close relationship with SMISA kibble will be using the assets of the club in pursuit of theirs

despite repeated attempts at contact, kibble have not responded to my request for a copy of their original trust deed which still governs their operation 

 

if you don’t know their aims then how can you sign up to a partnership with them?

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I am one of the SMISA members who pays their money and takes little other interest in the running of the assoc. However since this is such an important issue I thought I better register and vote . I logged on to the site you vote on. Can I ask that Ms Sturgeon can use a similar site if we have another independence referendum?. Loads of items extolling the virtues of the new deal and only a YES button visible. If you have the temerity to vote NO you have to use a wee drop down box to uncover the NO button. Certainly not an even handed approach. Will there be independent verification of the voting numbers?

 

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I am one of the SMISA members who pays their money and takes little other interest in the running of the assoc. However since this is such an important issue I thought I better register and vote . I logged on to the site you vote on. Can I ask that Ms Sturgeon can use a similar site if we have another independence referendum?. Loads of items extolling the virtues of the new deal and only a YES button visible. If you have the temerity to vote NO you have to use a wee drop down box to uncover the NO button. Certainly not an even handed approach. Will there be independent verification of the voting numbers?
 
With a disgraced labour politician on the Kibble bid?
Be lucky if they even bother to check what vote came top.. lol

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3 hours ago, bazil85 said:

You post like this is something you’ve known for years that others were ignorant to. That just isn’t the scenario at all.
There’s a material change involved in this proposal and I’m sure the majority/ All of the St Mirren fans voting are capable of evaluating it as such. Indeed I don’t think I have seen anyone against community strengthening, it’s a matter of the circumstances surrounding it. 

I suggest you do some reading. The 10000Hour archives would be a useful place to start. The only material differences is that Gordon Scott will sell all his shares and not be stuck with around £150k of worthless ones and a third party will have a veto over every major club decision 

 

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3 hours ago, bazil85 said:

Neither of the two people I’m talking about are celebrities. One is secretary for health and SPORT, the other is is chief Exec for Supporters Direct.  Would imagine they’d both be making up their own mind. 

Having had recent communication with both can i just say that an endorsement from either should read like a loud siren to anyone with a brain in their head!

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3 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:


 

 


I don't. I remember a few, but not "many".

 

11 out of the 13 guys off the forum I sat with did plus the three members of the board that were in attendance. 

I'd say it was probably as high as 50/50 on the forum. I didn't hang around to watch Gilmour present to the wider audience but ive read Gilmour won a show of hands there too. I'm not sure what changed his vote on the day. I'd love to claim some credit but I'd imagine he was more likely convinced by other SPL chairman like Stewart Milne. 

It certainly wasn't a proud moment in St Mirren history

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Just a wee word of caution
all charities are founded with a set of aims and values 
by setting up a close relationship with SMISA kibble will be using the assets of the club in pursuit of theirs
despite repeated attempts at contact, kibble have not responded to my request for a copy of their original trust deed which still governs their operation 
 
if you don’t know their aims then how can you sign up to a partnership with them?
I may be able to help you, what did you send in your request for the information?

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

Is it?
Continually claiming another person was against giving money to a charity, but never being able to back that up with evidence?
Asking for a friend lol

Late 2018 SMISA vote... 

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