Coronavirus

[FTOF]

6 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Indeed, and, as such, a reason whey the forced mass quarantine approach isn't, in the long term, the best strategy. 

It's important to remember the vast majority will be able to deal with this without any intervention from the NHS.

Not in any way forgetting the group who are most susceptible, but they should be the focus.

The next phase involves closing schools, a hair brained idea with next to no real effect on the problem. 

No it isn't. As you can see from the link I posted earlier. There's a role to play for everyone .

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8. Schools: Kids generally won’t get very ill, so the govt can use them as a tool to infect others when you want to increase infection. When you need to slow infection, that tap can be turned off – at that point they close the schools. Politically risky for them to say this.

 

[faraway saint]

2 minutes ago, Dickson said:

I was watching a feature on the problems in Italy on Sky earlier on today and the report said that the big problem in Italy is that their healthcare system is far more advanced in the north than it is in the south. In the north where the outbreaks happened they have struggled to cope with patients in tents on temporary beds. The major fear of the Italian government is that the virus spreads too quickly to the South where they know healthcare is far more primitive and where the death toll is likely to be much higher. 

Tonight I was talking to a girl who is due to fly out on holiday on Monday to Pakistan. She was talking about cancelling her holiday until September. It doesn't make much sense to me. Unless we have found a vaccine by then I can't see how the situation is likely to be better by September. Right now she'd be more likely to win the National Lottery than catch the Coronavirus in Pakistan. She'd be far more at risk of TB - 5% or "Diarrheal Diseases" - 6% in Pakistan than she would be of catching the virus - 28 cases in a country with a population of 177m. Sadly I think the media has helped most people lose a sense of any proportion at all. 

In a nutshell.

Using "numbers" without perspective, dramatic terms, persistent useless questioning of experts and government officials leading to the bulk buying and hysteria.

Throw in the utter stupidity of the public and we find ourselves in the situation we are in. 

As I said earlier, this is a no win situation and many will use it as a stick to beat the government, no matter what. 

 

[faraway saint]

15 minutes ago, FTOF said:

No it isn't. As you can see from the link I posted earlier. There's a role to play for everyone .

8. Schools: Kids generally won’t get very ill, so the govt can use them as a tool to infect others when you want to increase infection. When you need to slow infection, that tap can be turned off – at that point they close the schools. Politically risky for them to say this.

A large price to pay when the effects of closing schools will spread far wider than schoolchildren. 

Also, as far as I'm aware there's been little, or no, infection in schoolkids, not sure where they come in in this strategy. 

PS Bedtime, thanks for the exchanges, been very pleasant with no interruptions from the forum fool, 

Edited March 14, 2020 by faraway saint

[FTOF]

Just now, faraway saint said:

In a nutshell.

Using "numbers" without perspective, dramatic terms, persistent useless questioning of experts and government officials leading to the bulk buying and hysteria.

Throw in the utter stupidity of the public and we find ourselves in the situation we are in. 

As I said earlier, this is a no win situation and many will use it as a stick to beat the government, no matter what. 

 

Undoubtedly the media have encouraged mass hysteria, based on unsubstantiated claims and invalid evidence.

However, if you're intelligent enough, you can find reasoned, balanced views based on valid scientific evidence.

Or you can spout you own uninformed personal views, based on the square root of f**k all, and over or under estimate the threat to society. 

 

 

 

 

[FTOF]

10 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

A large price to pay when the effects of closing schools will spread far wider than schoolchildren. 

Also, as far as I'm aware there's been little, or no, infection in schoolkids, not sure where they come in in this strategy. 

PS Bedtime, thanks for the exchanges, been very pleasant with no interruptions from the forum fool, 

That perception may remain that way, as it would seem that a significant number of younger individuals appear to be asymptomatic or have extremely mild symptoms, even when infected.

[faraway saint]

3 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Undoubtedly the media have encouraged mass hysteria, based on unsubstantiated claims and invalid evidence.

However, if you're intelligent enough, you can find reasoned, balanced views based on valid scientific evidence.

Or you can spout you own uninformed personal views, based on the square root of f**k all, and over or under estimate the threat to society. 

All any of us "non experts" can do is look at the facts and come to a conclusion from there.

I've never underestimated the ultimate effects, just get fecked off with various media outlets whipping up the frenzy and people lapping up the worst case scenarios as a certain outcome. 

 

[eastlandssaint]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-live-pandemic-updates-advice-21657837

[FTOF]

9 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

All any of us "non experts" can do is look at the facts and come to a conclusion from there.

I've never underestimated the ultimate effects, just get fecked off with various media outlets whipping up the frenzy and people lapping up the worst case scenarios as a certain outcome. 

 

Your link to Dr.Drew Pinsky would indicate otherwise.

However, as others have posted more reliable  information on the matter, I think you may have come to realise that the situation is more serious than you first believed.

Anyone with an elderly relative should be very concerned about the current situation in the UK.

 

[oaksoft]

16 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Your link to Dr.Drew Pinsky would indicate otherwise.

However, as others have posted more reliable  information on the matter, I think you may have come to realise that the situation is more serious than you first believed.

Anyone with an elderly relative should be very concerned about the current situation in the UK.

 

Many of us, if not all, will have elderly, vulnerable or immunity-compromised relatives in our families. I think that bit in bold is why most people are probably concerned.

[oaksoft]

On the positive side, my local Asda has had a delivery of some toilet rolls.

The nearby Aldi however looks like a Viking army ploughed through it earlier today. Never seen it so empty.

[faraway saint]

7 hours ago, FTOF said:

Your link to Dr.Drew Pinsky would indicate otherwise.

However, as others have posted more reliable  information on the matter, I think you may have come to realise that the situation is more serious than you first believed.

Anyone with an elderly relative should be very concerned about the current situation in the UK.

 

Didn't you see, or bother, with my post straight after?

Just to help you.................."I know, it's just for comedy effect, I'm still reeling at Oaky using 2-3 toilet rolls every day."

More reliable information.....................well people posting death figures of 300,000 - 500,000, even 1,000,000 last night I'm surprised your not all over that? 

I have already made it clear, a few times, the elderly, specifically care homes, are a major concern. 

Poor post IMO. 

[faraway saint]

Looking like the over 70's will be asked to stay at home.......................FFS! 

The latest is over 70's to self isolate for up to 4 months. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by faraway saint

[St.Ricky]

Issues with C19 include its much more infectious d rate and its geometric rather than arithmetic rate of infection. These are what give rise to the high numbers of sufferers predicted. 

The elderly and those with compromised immune systems are particularly at risk. Of those who enter ICU, assuming there is space for them, then figures suggest that 3 out of 5 may not survive. Of those who do,a number may require serious interventions such as a lung transplant. 

Advice, in most countries, is to go out when necessary to shop but not to socialise esp if over 70. Self isolate and wait out the early spread. In this country advice is changing. Watch the government change their advice to the elderly and to involve community organisations to a greater degree. Andrew Marr show should be interesting. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by St.Ricky

[faraway saint]

Retailers saying, again, there is no shortages.

The temporary empty shelves are caused by hysterical panic buyers.

The shelves will be restocked, just a logistical issue getting the replacement goods to the stores. 

[oaksoft]

5 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Retailers saying, again, there is no shortages.

The temporary empty shelves are caused by hysterical panic buyers.

The shelves will be restocked, just a logistical issue getting the replacement goods to the stores. 

Nobody trusts either government nor retailers and quite frankly you can hardly blame them. People are reacting to what is happening locally to them. When they see massive queues and empty shelves then of course they are going to join in. This is what happens when people don't trust authority. The government might do well to take note of that.

You still seem to be under the impression that the "lockdown" measures are about reducing deaths when it's crystal clear to pretty much everyone else that the restrictions are in place to prevent the NHS becoming overwhelmed by sheer numbers of infections. Things have moved on dramatically but you are still mentally stuck in the past.

[faraway saint]

2 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Nobody trusts either government nor retailers and quite frankly you can hardly blame them. People are reacting to what is happening locally to them. When they see massive queues and empty shelves then of course they are going to join in. This is what happens when people don't trust authority. The government might do well to take note of that.

You still seem to be under the impression that the "lockdown" measures are about reducing deaths when it's crystal clear to pretty much everyone else that the restrictions are in place to prevent the NHS becoming overwhelmed by sheer numbers of infections. Things have moved on dramatically but you are still mentally stuck in the past.

Don't talk utter shite.

You have, gleefully, been shouting about empty shelves when the only reason this happens, temporarily, is down to hysteria. 

Nobody trusts the government yet, when it suits, regurgitate the "up to 80%" figure. 

As for the highlighted section, utter garbage.

Show me where I have indicated this? 

I'm very aware that the plan has been to minimise the "peak" to allow the NHS cope.

This is here, it will spread, it will have devastating effects to a small number of people on a personal level, more widely in many business's. 

 

 

[FTOF]

58 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Nobody trusts either government nor retailers and quite frankly you can hardly blame them. People are reacting to what is happening locally to them. When they see massive queues and empty shelves then of course they are going to join in. This is what happens when people don't trust authority. The government might do well to take note of that.

 

This is what happens when people lack the necessary life skills to make a measured decision on their own.

Just how did I manage to walk past the bog roll aisle in Morrison's yesterday, without panic buying a nine pack of Cushelle quilted?

Is it because I trust authority? Is it f**k. I wouldn't trust these tits to find their own sphincter with a map.

I refer you to the first line of Faraway's response to your post.

[faraway saint]

3 minutes ago, FTOF said:

This is what happens when people lack the necessary life skills to make a measured decision on their own.

Just how did I manage to walk past the bog roll aisle in Morrison's yesterday, without panic buying a nine pack of Cushelle quilted?

Is it because I trust authority? Is it f**k. I wouldn't trust these tits to find their own sphincter with a map.

I refer you to the first line of Faraway's response to your post.

Bet you were tempted though? 

[oaksoft]

9 minutes ago, FTOF said:

This is what happens when people lack the necessary life skills to make a measured decision on their own.

Just how did I manage to walk past the bog roll aisle in Morrison's yesterday, without panic buying a nine pack of Cushelle quilted?

Is it because I trust authority? Is it f**k. I wouldn't trust these tits to find their own sphincter with a map.

I refer you to the first line of Faraway's response to your post.

Whilst we are on the topic of talking shite, it's interesting that you are now attacking the very people you have been defending for years.

I'll tell you what's happened here. You are left wing until these people start doing things to encroach on you personally and then you are as venomous towards them as the right wingers you despise.

Nice rant BTW. 

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Don't talk utter shite.

You have, gleefully, been shouting about empty shelves when the only reason this happens, temporarily, is down to hysteria. 

Nobody trusts the government yet, when it suits, regurgitate the "up to 80%" figure. 

As for the highlighted section, utter garbage.

Show me where I have indicated this? 

I'm very aware that the plan has been to minimise the "peak" to allow the NHS cope.

This is here, it will spread, it will have devastating effects to a small number of people on a personal level, more widely in many business's. 

 

 

Yeah I see what's happening here.

You are getting all mixed up about who said what. The people not trusting the government are not the same as the people correctly taking about up to 80%.

As for being mistaken about the bit of my post I had made in bold? Nope sorry but every post you make where you whine about the small absolute numbers involved at this moment in time give you away.

You maybe need to lie down for a bit.

Take FTOF with you as he seems to have blown a fuse this morning too.

[oaksoft]

13 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Bet you were tempted though? 

Knowing that people are buying toilet roll and seeing that some are now in stock, anyone walking past that pile who has under a week's supply in the house and doesn't buy a pack is just being stupid because in about 1-2 days time (if you're lucky) it'll be out again.

By all means grab the moral high ground if you think it's worth making a claim to it but don't come complaining when you run out and are having to shower after every shit.

[faraway saint]

11 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Knowing that people are buying toilet roll and seeing that some are now in stock, anyone walking past that pile who has under a week's supply in the house and doesn't buy a pack is just being stupid because in about 1-2 days time (if you're lucky) it'll be out again.

By all means grab the moral high ground if you think it's worth making a claim to it but don't come complaining when you run out and are having to shower after every shit.

Dear oh dear, it's because of STUPID people there are temporary shortages.

You're the guy who chooses to believe strangers posting on "social media", the very group you sneer at on a regular basis.

My goodness, you're having a night mare. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by faraway saint

[Guest TPAFKATS]

I see the beardy weirdy tree hugging NHS suing billionaire is demanding a government bailout for his airline due to covid 19 affecting the market.

Socialism when it suits eh?

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Viz comes up with a solution to the toilet roll shortages.

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Dear oh dear, it's because of STUPID people there are temporary shortages.

You're the guy who chooses to believe strangers posting on "social media", the very group you sneer at on a regular basis.

My goodness, you're having a night mare. 

You are going to have an aneurysm at this rate.

Calm doon. This thing has barely started and you're already getting upset at newspaper headlines. What are you going to be like in a few weeks? 🤣