shull Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 All my thanks to McHargs the Bakers for being open all week. An absolute godsend. Also, found an open Chinese Takeaway last night. Had a wonderful supper. Thanks to Yulan House. So, getting a bit of work done and getting well fed. Nearly a normal week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 hours ago, ALBIONSAINT said: This was on the BBC website the other day, no matter how you cut it, it’s bad news all round What about the impact of the lockdown? The lockdown, itself, however could cost lives. Prof Robert Dinwall, from Nottingham Trent University, says "the collateral damage to society and the economy" could include: mental health problems and suicides linked to self-isolation heart problems from lack of activity the impact on health from increased unemployment and reduced living standards Others have also pointed to the health cost from steps such as delaying routine operations and cancer screening. Meanwhile, University of Bristol researchers say the benefit of a long-term lockdown in reducing premature deaths could be outweighed by the lost life expectancy from a prolonged economic dip. And the tipping point, they say, is a 6.4% decline in the size of the economy - on a par with what happened following the 2008 financial crash. It would see a loss of three months of life on average across the population because of factors from declining living standards to poorer health care. The areas that I've highlighted are hugely salient points. This lockdown is unprecedented, and, as such, there will have been no studies that can predict its effects on, say for example, cardiovascular health. The potential for a significant increase in deaths due to cardiovascular health deterioration as a result of someone working from home sitting on their arse for three months, who is unable to be active at work or attend a gym regularly, is clear and present. Of course people can go for a walk, as I try to do every day. That's not the same as being on your feet all day or attending a gym regularly. Others will have their exercise regime restricted by child care etc. Six months down the line if someone dies of cardiovascular disease, where the lockdown has been a contributing factor, then would it even be possible to ascertain whether the lockdown was a contributing factor? Similarly, the lockdown may be enough to cause further deterioration to the health of someone with specific mental health issues. Worst case scenario being an increase in suicides. Deaths from cardiovascular disease and suicides largely go unreported, and are often accepted as run of the mill, possibly due to pre-conceived, stereotypical views on the type of individual assumed to be most likely to succumb to these illnesses. There's also the possibility that they will increase gradually, so the general public probably wouldn't be aware that anything different was happening. For these reasons, I doubt we'll ever really be able to measure reliably the impact of the lockdown on overall health. As much as I agree with the principles behind the lockdown, I really, really hope that we haven't overreacted, based on inaccurate recording of data, and that we haven't created a ticking time bomb in the future. It's certainly food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, stlucifer said: That percentage is probably much higher than reality as it is calculated on the number of KNOWN cases. As testing is still not taking place extensively it's highly likely there are far more who have, or have had, the virus. Yeah very true, one of the main reasons for action is the unknown around this virus. More instances of people dying recently that have no known underlying conditions, more deaths, more bad news. It’s clear some on here are happy to gamble with human life. Fortunately the majority Seem to be in favour of the approach we’re seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Yeah very true, one of the main reasons for action is the unknown around this virus. More instances of people dying recently that have no known underlying conditions, more deaths, more bad news. It’s clear some on here are happy to gamble with human life. Fortunately the majority Seem to be in favour of the approach we’re seeing. Has there been any reliable data released regarding the percentage of deaths from no known/as yet undiscovered underlying conditions? A couple of articles I've read, indicate that as a result of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the death rate for the aforementioned group was around 10%. Could help in working out just how virulent the current virus is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, bazil85 said: Yeah very true, one of the main reasons for action is the unknown around this virus. More instances of people dying recently that have no known underlying conditions, more deaths, more bad news. It’s clear some on here are happy to gamble with human life. Fortunately the majority Seem to be in favour of the approach we’re seeing. Everybody's immune system is different. Any virus could kill seemingly healthy people. The big thing about this virus appears to be that, if you put 10 people in a room with the flu virus, probably 8 will not get the flu. Put 10 people in with this virus it's likely 10 will succumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 37 minutes ago, stlucifer said: That percentage is probably much higher than reality as it is calculated on the number of KNOWN cases. As testing is still not taking place extensively it's highly likely there are far more who have, or have had, the virus. https://www.livescience.com/is-coronavirus-deadly.html Quote Epidemiologists believe the total number of infections with SARS-CoV-2 is underestimated because people with few or mild symptoms may never see a doctor. As testing expands and scientists begin using retrospective methods to study who has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 circulating in their bloodstreams, the total number of confirmed cases will go up and the ratio of deaths to infections will likely drop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, FTOF said: Has there been any reliable data released regarding the percentage of deaths from no known/as yet undiscovered underlying conditions? A couple of articles I've read, indicate that as a result of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the death rate for the aforementioned group was around 10%. Could help in working out just how virulent the current virus is. Nothing I've seen yet man. Scary times ahead, hopefully all this data and study is to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, FTOF said: https://www.livescience.com/is-coronavirus-deadly.html In the case of Coronovirus the percentage may be further reduced when it's decided that many didn't die OF the virus but WITH the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 You will have noticed I've been away - sharing my expertise with various ministers and senior civil servants. Anyway, got an hour to spare - who are we picking on today, now Oaky and Ricky have disappeared. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, GMan said: You will have noticed I've been away - sharing my expertise with various ministers and senior civil servants. Anyway, got an hour to spare - who are we picking on today, now Oaky and Ricky have disappeared. LOL Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Todays fatalities 684, up from 569 yesterday. 20% increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, stlucifer said: Nope. I wish Div would get a wanker emoji... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Todays fatalities 684, up from 569 yesterday. 20% increase. But unfortunately you're still here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, GMan said: But unfortunately you're still here... Classy as usual. Don't you have some meat to mince? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, GMan said: I wish Div would get a wanker emoji... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, faraway saint said: Classy as usual. Don't you have some meat to mince? No, your mrs wore me out this morning. Filthy cow, btw. She's insatiable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, GMan said: No, your mrs wore me out this morning. Filthy cow, btw. She's insatiable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, faraway saint said: I thought she wanted me to take a look at the computer, as kept going on about Microsoft...turns out she was describing your cock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, GMan said: I thought she wanted me to take a look at the computer, as kept going on about Microsoft...turns out she was describing your cock... Jeezo, you're patters rank, always has been. I have missed you right enough...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeabuddy Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Definitely send this thread to the government....no really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, GMan said: I wish Div would get a wanker emoji... He already has Edited April 3, 2020 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 From the BBC:"... in Paisley three men were fined for being in a van together on Saturday.Police said they had no reasonable excuse to be together and they told officers they had no intention of complying with regulations."Was it a Cooncil refuse van? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, proudtobeabuddy said: Definitely send this thread to the government....no really... I already have done. They selected Oaky as a special adviser...that's why he's not round much at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sally02 Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 9:53 AM, faraway saint said: What a fuss about the flu, not a lot happening to see this warrant the amount of coverage and panic. Tell that to the kids without their mothers tonight! Enough said, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, sally02 said: Tell that to the kids without their mothers tonight! Enough said, I think. You're right, enough said. 🤡 Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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