faraway saint Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, antrin said: I think you are doing the sensible, practical, personal thing - as should anyone who feels at all threatened by the virus. My cousin and her man have been self-isolating since early March and will not rush out to socialise, soon, nor invite the world back home for a bevvy. Younger generations have little to fear from it. And, if you’re not in a threatened category, then lockdown really is pretty unnecessary, unless there’s someone at home who is. By taking personal responsibility for their health, the majority will continue to stay safe. The govt pfaffing about, with the lifting the date of restrictions For businesses, makes working towards reopening for business untenable for cash-strapped companies. They have to prepare - and that means more losses to them, especially if the goalposts get shifted. Indeed and one of the mysteries of yesterdays announcement. The risk is low enough for those shielding to get out and about yet not low enough for business's that could easily operate with social distancing in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 52 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Pragmatism is the order of the day. There are a lot of philosophers about. I recall the incident in the Douglas Adam book Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy where the philosophers demonstrated against the new computer as they wanted "Rigidly Defined Areas of Uncertainty" Tough times. Worst health and lockdown wise for those who are Shielding. Tough too for businesses and for those in financial difficulties but there are no certainties. “Pragmatism”. the very word, Ricky. When there’s a confusion of experts and a cabal of conflicting governments you must tread your own cautious route through the undergrowth. An amusing moment yesterday... listening to a webinar with employment lawyers discussing cv19, end of furloughs, government announcements etc... listeners wanted to know how to legitimately handle the ever changing and conflicting govt, HMRC and local pronouncements. (Many people have had idle hands and downtime but not the lawyers.) Government announces on Friday something will open on Monday, chaos ensues! Monday... HMRC Suggest different rules... lawyers working all weekend (and nights) to ensure things are done right. the latest is on The Flexible Furlough Scheme. Which lawyers are happily calling... FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 You can keep saying stuff like this but it's not helpful. The country is nearing the point where swathes of the country make the decision for Sturgeon. It'll end up being about 6 weeks to fully go from Phase 1 to Phase 2. People are just not going to tolerate this for much longer. There's a pub chain talking about opening up in the UK at the start of July whether lockdown is lifted or not. The alternative is bankruptcy and huge numbers of redundancies. Millions of businesses are in the same boat. None of them are going to listen to accusations of being "cunts" coming from those safely tucked away on PAYE or furlough payments. We need to be at a full implementation of Phase 3 within a few weeks with distancing to 1m or there won't be an economy to come back to. No amount of calling people "cunts" is going to change that. You've pretty much made my point for me. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 hours ago, FTOF said: That ship has sailed I'm afraid. IMO the people most likely to stick with it are those who have been directly affected by Covid, in that close friends or relatives have died or they have worked in an environment where they have witnessed people dying from it or people who are looking after individuals who are shielding or in the highly vulnerable category. If my circle of friends and acquaintances are anything to go by (they're relatively normal), most people won't have been affected in the ways described above and will have a more relaxed attitude to measures designed to suppress the virus and instead focus on the economy and things that will make them happier, like going out for meal or to the pub. I've been fortunate that through all this I've been working, albeit in very different circumstances than I'm used to, and I know that I'll be going back to work in August. Unfortunately, people on furlough will be quite rightly worried about whether they've got a job to go back to or not. The sooner we get the likes of manufacturing, construction, retail and leisure back to normal, the better the prospects for people's livelihoods. I'm right in the middle here, as I can see the desperate need for the economy to re-start, but personally I still have very good reason to avoid being infected. The latter is why I will, in the main, be sticking to the current advice. I agree I think this is where most sensible people sit. Wouldn't like to be a minister making these decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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St.Ricky Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, lenziebud said: I agree I think this is where most sensible people sit. Wouldn't like to be a minister making these decisions. Agree. On the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 That's England moved to Level 3 with lots of businesses now allowed to open from July. I wonder how much further behind them Sturgeon will be able to drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, oaksoft said: That's England moved to Level 3 with lots of businesses now allowed to open from July. I wonder how much further behind them Sturgeon will be able to drift. It's the UK as a whole. In a statement, the chief medical officers said: “The CMOs for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have reviewed the evidence and agree with this recommendation to move to level 3 across the UK. Edited June 19, 2020 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: You've pretty much made my point for me. Thanks. Honestly bud, this is so obviously political for you that you can't even argue a point in good faith. If you insist on playing moral high ground games, you know what is truly cuntable behaviour? Taking clear pleasure, as you obviously do, in seeing spikes in deaths in England so that you can bash Boris again. If you want to continue to shout at the clouds over all this I'll happily leave you to talk to the Biology teacher. Edited June 19, 2020 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, faraway saint said: It's the UK as a whole. In a statement, the chief medical officers said: “The CMOs for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have reviewed the evidence and agree with this recommendation to move to level 3 across the UK. OK so how does that tie up with Sturgeon's Phase 2 announcement? Which has priority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: Honestly bud, this is so obviously political for you that you can't even argue a point in good faith. If you insist on playing moral high ground games, you know what is truly cuntable behaviour? Taking clear pleasure, as you obviously do, in seeing spikes in deaths in England so that you can bash Boris again. Aye, if you'd be an adult and take off the ignore you'd see I've been pointing out his ghoulish behaviour for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 It's OK. It looks like each country will take their own approach to how to deal with those levels. f**k sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, faraway saint said: Aye, if you'd be an adult and take off the ignore you'd see I've been pointing out his ghoulish behaviour for quite some time. Just enjoy being off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, oaksoft said: OK so how does that tie up with Sturgeon's Phase 2 announcement? Which has priority? I agree that Sturgeon has been unnecessarily dragging this out. Yesterday was a clusterfcuk. I've already pointed out the strange decision to allow shielded groups out yet there's little movement for the general public. Seems contradictory, risk has dropped for shielded yet not for the public? If you read back a few posts you'll clearly see my view on this. Edited June 19, 2020 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 More of the same from the expert. Not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 In just over a couple of weeks time, Emgland are going to have restaurants, pubs, salons and hairdressers open (not sure who else is left other than sport stadia) but in Scotland we still won't be able to go more than 5 miles from our houses. Honestly, just f**k that. That's not even remotely reasonable. If campsites are open I think our family might be making a wee trip. Just to annoy TPAK thingy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, St.Ricky said: More of the same from the expert. Not Given that nobody responds to these posts of yours, what's your goal here Ricky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: Given that nobody responds to these posts of yours, what's your goal here Ricky? I wouldnt say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: Given that nobody responds to these posts of yours, what's your goal here Ricky? Might I suggest just to post anything in any thread adding next to nothing? Called trolling. Do I win a prize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, St.Ricky said: I wouldnt say that. Any chance you could answer the question? What is your goal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: Any chance you could answer the question? What is your goal? Just did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Just did. Oh honestly, just bugger off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, oaksoft said: In just over a couple of weeks time, Emgland are going to have restaurants, pubs, salons and hairdressers open (not sure who else is left other than sport stadia) but in Scotland we still won't be able to go more than 5 miles from our houses. Honestly, just f**k that. That's not even remotely reasonable. If campsites are open I think our family might be making a wee trip. Just to annoy TPAK thingy. We bought a voucher for a long weekend in lodges we've used before to be used as soon as things are allowed. I'm guessing mid-late July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, faraway saint said: We bought a voucher for a long weekend in lodges we've used before to be used as soon as things are allowed. I'm guessing mid-late July. I hope this is correct. There's no way I'm sitting at home, hiding behind my couch like a lemon and allowing an entire summer to be needlessly wasted. As soon as England is opened, I'm off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I hope this is correct. There's no way I'm sitting at home, hiding behind my couch like a lemon and allowing an entire summer to be needlessly wasted. As soon as England is opened, I'm off. Oh dear. This from our resident scientific expert. Stay safe is all you are asked to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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