Coronavirus

[oaksoft]

3 hours ago, Slarti said:

 

 

So just his usual then.

 

It's worth remembering that at least we don't have to either work with or socialise with him.

I've had the displeasure of both with various people over the years and they are an absolute nightmare to be around.

No nuance, no subtlties, no compromise, no indication of anyone else's opinions having some validity, everything is black and white. He's chosen the right team to support I guess.

Edited August 5, 2020 by oaksoft

[Sue Denim]

Closing the schools unnecessarily, cutting children’s education short, not allowing them to sit exams and now arbitrarily downgrading individual’s results, particularly those from the more deprived areas.

Yip, the Scottish government have played a blinder.

I would say “you couldn’t make it up” but the sorry fact is that everything the Scottish government has done since the start of the crisis has been made up.

And every single thing has made things considerably worse. 

[Russian Saint]

Hey, don't dis petrol for dinner. [emoji38]

That’s a premium 4 star culinary delight, keeps you ticking over for hours. Just don’t drink it too quickly, wouldn’t want you to “choke”

Could get a lot of miles out of this one........ Taxi [emoji595]

[Slarti]

That’s a premium 4 star culinary delight, keeps you ticking over for hours. Just don’t drink it too quickly, wouldn’t want you to “choke”

Could get a lot of miles out of this one........ Taxi [emoji595]

Shit, what have I released?

[Guest TPAFKATS]

No nuance, no subtlties, no compromise, no indication of anyone else's opinions having some validity, everything is black and white.

Wow... You've pretty much described how you come across on here oakster

[salmonbuddie]

Aberdeen back in lockdown

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53666665

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Aberdeen back in lockdown

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53666665

Their game in Perth on Saturday won't be on then.

[Sue Denim]

Locking down Aberdeen is crazy stuff.

Looney tunes.

We can even more of this when start ramping up the flu testing.

We need to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed this winter after all.

Coronavirus: New 90-minute tests for Covid-19 and flu 'hugely beneficial'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043

[Ayrshire Saints]

Their game in Perth on Saturday won't be on then.

Why ? They are being rigorously tested, it's not in Aberdeen and travel for work is not subject to the 5 mile rule

[Sue Denim]

NRS stats out at noon today.

Only has a quick look

40 excess deaths in Scotland last week which is 4% above the 5 year average

This compares with 161 LESS deaths than the average, ie 1.8% down in England.

@TPAFKATS told us that excess deaths in England were “almost” 3 times higher in England than in Scotland.

I’ve asked him several times for this data and the source. And I’m still waiting.

There can only be 2 explanations.

1. He lied

2. He’s too scared to reveal the dada and sources because it’ll expose his stupidity 

@TPAFKATS always runs away from facts because it’ll expose his total lack of intelligence 

The NRS also declared 7 Covid deaths in Scotland. I wonder how that’s possible when the Scottish Government keep telling us it’s zero deaths in Scotland, eh @bazil85

Shockingly, the excess deaths in Scotland are still being driven by people dying at home because they can’t access the NHS

We’ve “protected the NHS” by abandoning people to die at home and, earlier in the crisis, in care homes.

Its an utter disgrace and something the smug, woke virtue signallers have turned a blind eye to throughout.

They’ve sailed through the crisis on full pay at the expenses of other people’s lives and livelihoods. 

 

[Sue Denim]

3 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

29 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:

Their game in Perth on Saturday won't be on then.

Why ? They are being rigorously tested, it's not in Aberdeen and travel for work is not subject to the 5 mile rule

A sensible post at long last 

[portmahomack saint]

Am back from my wee tour of the Americas... heard there's a few tough guy's been's slagging me on here while i've been away 

[bazil85]

15 minutes ago, Sue Denim said:

NRS stats out at noon today.

Only has a quick look

40 excess deaths in Scotland last week which is 4% above the 5 year average

This compares with 161 LESS deaths than the average, ie 1.8% down in England.

@TPAFKATS told us that excess deaths in England were “almost” 3 times higher in England than in Scotland.

I’ve asked him several times for this data and the source. And I’m still waiting.

There can only be 2 explanations.

1. He lied

2. He’s too scared to reveal the dada and sources because it’ll expose his stupidity 

@TPAFKATS always runs away from facts because it’ll expose his total lack of intelligence 

The NRS also declared 7 Covid deaths in Scotland. I wonder how that’s possible when the Scottish Government keep telling us it’s zero deaths in Scotland, eh @bazil85

Shockingly, the excess deaths in Scotland are still being driven by people dying at home because they can’t access the NHS

We’ve “protected the NHS” by abandoning people to die at home and, earlier in the crisis, in care homes.

Its an utter disgrace and something the smug, woke virtue signallers have turned a blind eye to throughout.

They’ve sailed through the crisis on full pay at the expenses of other people’s lives and livelihoods. 

 

Aberdeen back in lockdown, it would appear the expert advice still points to lockdown measures being the right call as a part of the strategy to tackle Covid19. I choose to believe the advice givers that are factually far more equipped to make these calls than Andy who by his own admittance concluded his view before he had enough information. . 

Edited August 5, 2020 by bazil85

[bazil85]

19 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Not one of the three of us has said argued that lockdown saved nobody.

I'm still of the opinion that lockdown had a positive effect but that it's clear we can remove the restrictions.

You just don't listen. That's on you.

Yet you used it as an excuse to argue with me on my side of the argument. This was the point I was making, if you still don't get it I can't simplify any further sorry. 

[bazil85]

19 hours ago, Slarti said:

I stated that neither of you had enough evidence to make a valid claim either way. I DID NOT single you out, and have repeatedly stated this. As Antrin said, it's not all about you, no matter what you think. 

I agree, it's not all about me but I could set my watch by your comments to me, it's a guarantee they'll be argumentative regardless of subject... What conclusion do I draw?

Show me where I said that in that post.

See all of our previous engagements now that I have further validated my view. 

How do you know that these people caught it from the infected people they were in contact with and not from somewhere else?

Because of the nature of how it spreads. Again pedantic to suggest otherwise. 

I'm not using any unlikely series of events to do anything to you. I'm asking you for the evidence, are you going to provide it? I know you aren't, because there isn't enough evidence either way at this point to conclude anything. As I said earlier, it's all just "best guess" at the moment.

So when a Spanish football club reports 28 cases in and around their team, you think it's "likely" that wasn't down contact with infected people or do you think it's maybe "unlikely" it was another series of events? "wE dOn'T kNoW"

I told you why you were wrong to claim that these things are fact. What I never said, as far as I know, is that any of it was wrong, just that you can't know that it's right. You, as usual, have taken something that I have said and twisted it so that it is "anti-Baz", just because you won't (or, actually, can't) provide sufficient evidence to back up what is essentially just your opinion on the situation (or you parroting someone else's opinion). Or maybe it's just because your ego isn't controlling your id enough for you to realise that it isn't all about you.

Dice roll example. 

As far as I can see, neither Oaky or Antrin has said what you were claiming was wrong, just that you can't know it's right. Just because someone asks you for the proof to back up what you are claiming does not mean that they are saying that what you are saying is wrong, just that they want evidence that what you are saying is right.

Addressed 

A christian saying that the bible is evidence for god has provided more evidence to back up their position than you have ever done on here to back up yours - now, that's got to hurt.

That's incorrect. 

Edit: And what exactly is your dice example supposed to show? That you don't have a clue about statistics?

How pedantic you are being. 

 

 

[Cookie Monster]

Only has a quick look

He’s too scared to reveal the dada and sources because it’ll expose his stupidity

C'mon@TPAFKATS , Who's the dada [emoji23]

[Sue Denim]

34 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

 

 

C'mon@TPAFKATS , Who's the dada

 

Are typos the best you’ve got?

You’re very very stupid. 

[Sue Denim]

58 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Aberdeen back in lockdown, it would appear the expert advice still points to lockdown measures being the right call as a part of the strategy to tackle Covid19. I choose to believe the advice givers that are factually far more equipped to make these calls than  

You choose to blindly believe what the government tells you 

I choose to look into it for myself and make up my own mind. 
 

There is a range of expert advice out there that contradicts the actions the government has taken.

The Tory government takes expert advice for all the policies they enact. Do you agree with all policy decisions the Tory government take?

Quote

Andy who by his own admittance concluded his view before he had enough information. .

 

I concluded that there wasn’t enough information to take the actions we were taking and that the negatives of those actions wouldn’t outweigh the positives.

Now that all the data is in, the clear conclusion is that the actions taken were wrong and the negative consequences far outweigh positives ( and there are no positives).

 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Sue Denim

[bazil85]

5 minutes ago, Sue Denim said:

You choose to blindly believe what the government tells you 

I choose to look into it for myself and make up my own mind. 
There is a range of expert advice out there that contradicts the actions the government has taken.

The Tory government takes expert advice for all the policies they enact. Do you agree with all policy decisions the Tory government take?

I concluded that there wasn’t enough information to take the actions we were taking and that the negatives of those actions wouldn’t outweigh the positives.

Now that all the data is in, the clear conclusion is that the actions taken were wrong and the negative consequences far outweigh positives ( and there are no positives).

 

But you haven't appropriately concluded, you've admitted there isn't enough evidence yet you've held this view since day 1. It's an admittance that your view is baseless. 

Irrelevant deflection. 

All the data is not in, we have discussed this in great length, that amounts to no more than a lie and as such the comment that follows it is irrelevant. 

[Slarti]

 

I stated that neither of you had enough evidence to make a valid claim either way. I DID NOT single you out, and have repeatedly stated this. As Antrin said, it's not all about you, no matter what you think. 
I agree, it's not all about me but I could set my watch by your comments to me, it's a guarantee they'll be argumentative regardless of subject... What conclusion do I draw?
Show me where I said that in that post.
See all of our previous engagements now that I have further validated my view. 
How do you know that these people caught it from the infected people they were in contact with and not from somewhere else?
Because of the nature of how it spreads. Again pedantic to suggest otherwise. 
I'm not using any unlikely series of events to do anything to you. I'm asking you for the evidence, are you going to provide it? I know you aren't, because there isn't enough evidence either way at this point to conclude anything. As I said earlier, it's all just "best guess" at the moment.
So when a Spanish football club reports 28 cases in and around their team, you think it's "likely" that wasn't down contact with infected people or do you think it's maybe "unlikely" it was another series of events? "wE dOn'T kNoW"
I told you why you were wrong to claim that these things are fact. What I never said, as far as I know, is that any of it was wrong, just that you can't know that it's right. You, as usual, have taken something that I have said and twisted it so that it is "anti-Baz", just because you won't (or, actually, can't) provide sufficient evidence to back up what is essentially just your opinion on the situation (or you parroting someone else's opinion). Or maybe it's just because your ego isn't controlling your id enough for you to realise that it isn't all about you.
Dice roll example. 
As far as I can see, neither Oaky or Antrin has said what you were claiming was wrong, just that you can't know it's right. Just because someone asks you for the proof to back up what you are claiming does not mean that they are saying that what you are saying is wrong, just that they want evidence that what you are saying is right.
Addressed 
A christian saying that the bible is evidence for god has provided more evidence to back up their position than you have ever done on here to back up yours - now, that's got to hurt.
That's incorrect. 
Edit: And what exactly is your dice example supposed to show? That you don't have a clue about statistics?
How pedantic you are being. 

How is asking questions being argumentative?

You said that I had said it in that post, show me where or admit you were wrong. Show me where I said it previously.

You've already admitted that you don't know all the vectors for its spread, so you cannot categorically conclude with any certainty that that is how it was spread in this instance.

I haven't said anything about what is or isn't likely about anything. To be able to say it is likely you would have to have more information than you do. How do I know you haven't got the information? Because if you did, you would present it.

You still haven't explained what you dice roll example is supposed to demonstrate.

No, it wasn't addressed.

No it isn't because you have not provided any evidence whereas the christian has, even if it is not good/sufficient evidence.

So you don't have a clue what you were trying to prove with your dice example, then? If you really want to have a "discussion" about probability/statistics then I'm game, otherwise drop it as you are just showing your lack of understanding of the subject.

[Slarti]

But you haven't appropriately concluded, you've admitted there isn't enough evidence yet you've held this view since day 1. It's an admittance that your view is baseless. 
Irrelevant deflection. 
All the data is not in, we have discussed this in great length, that amounts to no more than a lie and as such the comment that follows it is irrelevant. 

And yet you post all the, ahem, "facts" you have. [emoji38]

Fucking priceless.

[oaksoft]

6 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

Closing the schools unnecessarily, cutting children’s education short, not allowing them to sit exams and now arbitrarily downgrading individual’s results, particularly those from the more deprived areas.

Yip, the Scottish government have played a blinder.

I would say “you couldn’t make it up” but the sorry fact is that everything the Scottish government has done since the start of the crisis has been made up.

And every single thing has made things considerably worse. 

Not allowing those kids to sit exams was an absolute dereliction of duty.

There's a kid on the BBC who has scored all A grades in her prelims has now been inexplicably downgraded to 2 A's and 3 B's which has, at a stroke, ended her chances of a medical career.

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

Yet you used it as an excuse to argue with me on my side of the argument. This was the point I was making, if you still don't get it I can't simplify any further sorry. 

I will happy to engage with you again when you start showing signs of listening to what others are saying.

So "bazil" this thread to death if you want but you won't be doing it with me.

For the sake of my own sanity you can enjoy the magnificent view from my ignore list for a while.

Edited August 5, 2020 by oaksoft

[Sue Denim]

27 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

But you haven't appropriately concluded, you've admitted there isn't enough evidence yet you've held this view since day 1. It's an admittance that your view is baseless. 

Irrelevant deflection. 

All the data is not in, we have discussed this in great length, that amounts to no more than a lie and as such the comment that follows it is irrelevant. 

You’ve tied yourself up in knots with that reply, more or less ignoring what I said and making an irrelevant reply. 
 

One more time. 

The view I held at day 1 was that there wasn’t enough evidence to take the actions we were taking and the evidence that was there - from Italy, suggested that the actions we were taking were wrong. 
 

And all the evidence is now in. The pandemic is over. And it verifies that the actions we took were wrong.

[Sue Denim]

16 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Not allowing those kids to sit exams was an absolute dereliction of duty.

There's a kid on the BBC who has scored all A grades in her prelims has now been inexplicably downgraded to 2 A's and 3 B's which has, at a stroke, ended her chances of a medical career.

There was absolutely no need to close schools.

The governments in Scotland and the U.K. have killed 000s by denying people access to the NHS, abandoned the elderly in care homes, destroyed people’s livelihoods and ruined the prospects of our children.

Its a man made catastrophe. 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Sue Denim