oaksoft Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Sue Denim said: New paper out which concludes that lockdowns don’t work https://www.nber.org/papers/w27719.pdf Not one of the authors is a scientist. They are all economists FFS. 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russian Saint Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 Fascists Boris and Nicola will step up the Mask wearing over the next few weeks. All children will be forced to wear masks in the classroom. All people will be forced to wear masks outside in public. Will end with all folk having to wear masks inside their own houses. Just say no. https://questioningcovid.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 19 hours ago, freethinker said: Fascists Boris and Nicola will step up the Mask wearing over the next few weeks. All children will be forced to wear masks in the classroom. All people will be forced to wear masks outside in public. Will end with all folk having to wear masks inside their own houses. Just say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 14 hours ago, oaksoft said: Not one of the authors is a scientist. They are all economists FFS. 😅 The vast majority of “scientists” have proved beyond any reasonable doubt throughout this pandemic that they are clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 French PM says their is an undeniable surge in Covid 19 in France. He’s no doubt been told this by his “scientists”, eh @oaksoft The stupidity goes on and on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 For the “scientists” on whose models this was based and the politicians and NHS management who came up with the policies, there will be a day of reckoning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Lest we forget that as thousands of sick and elderly people were thrown out of hospital under the orders of Johnson and Sturgeon and people were left abandoned to die, that nurses were dancing in half empty hospitals across the country. The day of reckoning will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Sue Denim said: The vast majority of “scientists” have proved beyond any reasonable doubt throughout this pandemic that they are clueless. I agree. But you don't prove that by referencing work by economists you daft twat. For me, this stopped being "science" when the mask/scarves nonsense started. It's depressing to watch the whole affair turn into pseudo-science overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) This is me in my current mask... On a serious note the main priority of the governments (at Holyrood & Westminster) at the moment should be to acknowledge is that no perfect solution(s) are available and that until a vaccine arrives it must be a case of getting as much information to the public and publicising the trade-offs that have to be made, will Westminster prevent a spike in parents demanding tests children with non-Covid symptoms over the next few weeks - again they have a chance to avoid a predictable pratfall that we've fallen into north of the border. At her daily briefing today NS was emphasising that parents should not book tests for kids with runny noses but no other Covid symptoms - it remains to be seen whether this will happen. Edited August 27, 2020 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Long John Baldy said: I remember someone using the word "hysteria" on this thread in the early stages, seems it's back in fashion................... Nearly 17,500 children were tested for coronavirus across Scotland over the past week - but only 49 were positive, Nicola Sturgeon has said. Demand for testing has increased "significantly" since pupils returned to schools earlier this month But the first minister said the 49 children aged between two and 17 who tested positive last week was only two more than the previous week. Ms Sturgeon said there "may have been some technical issues" which led to people being "directed erroneously to testing centres in England", and that work was ongoing to resolve the problem. It’s always been with us. The worried well are going to destroy our NHS. Before Covid I spoke with someone from NHS 24 who told me they regularly had calls about sunburn!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Long John Baldy said: Scaremongering, another word that was used in this thread some time ago. Oh, I know because the person in this video isn't a scientist or expert her views will be dismissed but there's a whole lot of sense in what she says. Honestly, I had to switch off after 5 minutes because her screeching voice was doing my head in. She does make some good points though. IMO you have a government scared of being blamed for this so they are hiding behind the science. You then have the scientists getting caught up in all the attention being showered on them, the money being thrown at them and the increased importance being given to them and I can tell you this, they'll find ways of presenting data which allow them to retain the status quo for as long as possible. What is needed is for our politicians to lead and make their own decisions. Get the country fully open, stop the farcical mask wearing pish and accept that covid is another risk we have to manage in life. We cannot continue like this. Edited August 28, 2020 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 Re Ms. Welch I don't think you can directly compare a Virus like Covid that can be spread with conditions like cancer and heart disease that can't. Having said that she is quite correct that the Westminster government has lost it's nerve like on the school face-masks issue where the worst of it is the hardline No-No-No approach followed by an abrupt U-turn. There is a debate to be had about how much we'll just have to "grin and bear" Covid if & when it becomes more prevalent in the winter - I've personally said I prefer a cautious approach such as wearing face coverings in shops but I'm not so sure about schools where multiple on/off operations might prove counterproductive and am unsure how often people will use their "single use" masks (changing daily would seem about right to me) and how often people wash their reuseable ones again a daily wash would seem the best option after all they're worn on the outside and unlike underpants can't be expected to stay clean for a week. Much of the date we have on the virus is incomplete, decisions will have to be made on this basis and flexibility will be required by organization based on their circumstances - we just have to trust that the majority of organizations will behave in the "best interests" of the public in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 BBC News - France Covid-19: Paris compulsory face-mask rule comes into forcehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53934952Must be the bad SNP's fault. [emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) I see that the empty vessels are still making the most whining noises. Edited August 28, 2020 by FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, FTOF said: I see that the empty vessels are still making the most whining noises. Totally agree. I wish SNP supporters would stop it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 Today Peru overtook Belgium to become the country with the highest mortality in the world. Peru has one of the earliest (March 16th) and longest (five months) lockdowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Sue Denim said: Today Peru overtook Belgium to become the country with the highest mortality in the world. Peru has one of the earliest (March 16th) and longest (five months) lockdowns. Hope Paddington is okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: Re Ms. Welch I don't think you can directly compare a Virus like Covid that can be spread with conditions like cancer and heart disease that can't. Her point is that every health issue bar Covid is being neglected and this is ending up killing far more people than the virus. Lockdown has killed far more people than the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: BBC News - France Covid-19: Paris compulsory face-mask rule comes into force https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53934952 Must be the bad SNP's fault. Oh look, everyone else is jumping off the cliff so we’d better do it too 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 I have my mask already for returning to the stadium, I call it the freethinking Shullster 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 Surgeons only working at 50% capacity despite record waiting lists https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12519944/nhs-surgeons-working-50-capacity-ops/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Sue Denim said: Her point is that every health issue bar Covid is being neglected and this is ending up killing far more people than the virus. Lockdown has killed far more people than the virus. Yeah I'm well aware of her point, I just don't think that comparing infectious and non-infectious diseases is valid I still think the decision to lockdown in March was correct. Can you prove lockdown in the UK has killed more people than the virus - nothing you've posted so far has? Edited August 29, 2020 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 19 hours ago, Sue Denim said: Her point is that every health issue bar Covid is being neglected and this is ending up killing far more people than the virus. Lockdown has killed far more people than the virus. You have no idea(and never will have) how many people would have died from Covid-19 infection if lockdown had not been instigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, smcc said: You have no idea(and never will have) how many people would have died from Covid-19 infection if lockdown had not been instigated. Nobody will ever know that. On either side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 Nobody will ever know that. On either side. There is one person who KNOWS - guess who? [emoji38] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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