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It's not a narrative, all routine surgeries were stopped. Some have started back at a very reduced capacity and others are still on hold. 
GPS have not allowed patients inside the buildings since around the same time. 
 
Eta heres a link from the 17th of March detailing the stopping of surgery. 
https://www.gov.scot/news/nhs-scotland-placed-on-emergency-footing/
 
Hendo's post stated
"So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months."
That's a sweeping generalisation, it's not fact. Some treatments were postponed, not all. Emergency treatments were still undertaken.
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Make sure you "scarf up" before going to the shops. [emoji38]
Those same experts think that's what will be enough to save you.
You really need to at least start actively questioning what you're being told rather than passively absorbing everything the SNP feeds you. By all means, continue to support the same viewpoint afterwards but FFS try showing some gumption for once.
Are you suggesting the SNP run public health, epidemiology, virology etc across the world? Are snp running the WHO?

Seriously, calm down with the SNP nonsense it's trump like.

FWIW, I do question lots to do with this pandemic. I am however still willing to put my trust in these experts before fannies on a football forum who claim their opinion is more valid.
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22 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:

Hendo's post stated
"So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months."
That's a sweeping generalisation, it's not fact. Some treatments were postponed, not all. Emergency treatments were still undertaken.

I've copied the important part of his quote below. What he said in that quote is a fact. By your very admission, some treatments were postponed. So it makes it true that people who needed medical treatment were denied. 

the majority of non Covid related medical interventions haven't been taking place, and while these are gradually coming back, they are still well below what would usually happen, with a massive backlog now in place.

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21 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:

Hendo's post stated
"So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months."
That's a sweeping generalisation, it's not fact. Some treatments were postponed, not all. Emergency treatments were still undertaken.

In another post he also said the below, which is also a fact. 

 

The NHS have reduced services for those that need them to create capacity for those that don't, under Government instruction.

 
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30 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:


 

 


1st, As per your statement I'd hazard a guess that it wasn't a GP that was cancelling your appointment.

2nd, because some folk are against members of the opposite sex examing them that personally.

PS. Been there twice regarding prostate area, first time the doctor was gentle, second time I believe he was more thorough or had grown hooves. emoji3061.png

PPS, a face to face prostate examination. That no doubt gave a few of us a laugh. emoji28.png

 

Yeah, I am picturing the face to face exam now. First time for me. I assume that either at insertion or removal I will involuntarily shudder. Nobody wants to see that on my face.

I need to get this laughter out of my system before the test or this could get ugly quite quickly.

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Yeah, I am picturing the face to face exam now. First time for me. I assume that either at insertion or removal I will involuntarily shudder. Nobody wants to see that on my face.
I need to get this laughter out of my system before the test or this could get ugly quite quickly.


Is that when you ejaculate? :whistle
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In another post he also said the below, which is also a fact. 
 
The NHS have reduced services for those that need them to create capacity for those that don't, under Government instruction.
 


Again that's opinion. It could be factual in some cases but not all as many who need a service are still receiving it.
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I've copied the important part of his quote below. What he said in that quote is a fact. By your very admission, some treatments were postponed. So it makes it true that people who needed medical treatment were denied. 
the majority of non Covid related medical interventions haven't been taking place, and while these are gradually coming back, they are still well below what would usually happen, with a massive backlog now in place.
You've copied the bit that was important to you. I quoted the part that is opinion not fact.
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I mentioned in an earlier post, a month or more earlier...

I'm still waiting on an appointment for minor foot surgery, postponed in March because of fears of hospitals and staff being overwhelmed.

again Postponed in June, promised for July and I’m still waiting...

This Process started in September last year.

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You've asked a lot of questions there. If you aren't aware of the science behind the answers and reasoning for the approach (as it seems given you're asking questions), I would suggest some reading up on it before coming to any conclusion never mind your noted one. 


I’ve done plenty of research. At the end of the day some people will just accept what they’re being told. As I said on another post, it’s what specialist are we supposed to listen to.

Fact 1. More testing = more positive cases/false positives. Would you agree with that one?

Fact 2. The death rate has fallen in Scotland at least to virtually feck all. Would you agree with that one?

Second wave. Is that a fact that it’s going to happen? No, it’s not, it’s a prediction. No doubt come flu season it’ll somehow be rebranded as COVID part 2.
You are entitled to believe what you want, listen to whichever specialist you want.
Remember. Wear your mask, wash your hands and enjoy the rest of your evening. (mind and social distance)
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3 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:


 

 


Again that's opinion. It could be factual in some cases but not all as many who need a service are still receiving it.

 

It's factual according to your response to him as well as the link from the Scottish government website I posted earlier. Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? 

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3 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:


 

 


Again that's opinion. It could be factual in some cases but not all as many who need a service are still receiving it.

 

He never said it was all cases. Your just twisting it to suit your nonsense. You agreed with him while quoting him to disagree 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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It's not a narrative, all routine surgeries were stopped. Some have started back at a very reduced capacity and others are still on hold. 
GPS have not allowed patients inside the buildings since around the same time. 
 
Eta heres a link from the 17th of March detailing the stopping of surgery. 
https://www.gov.scot/news/nhs-scotland-placed-on-emergency-footing/
 
Must be your surgery I have been to see my GP plus a physio at the same practice 3 times in the last six weeks.
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8 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:
8 hours ago, slapsalmon said:
It's not a narrative, all routine surgeries were stopped. Some have started back at a very reduced capacity and others are still on hold. 
GPS have not allowed patients inside the buildings since around the same time. 
 
Eta heres a link from the 17th of March detailing the stopping of surgery. 
https://www.gov.scot/news/nhs-scotland-placed-on-emergency-footing/
 

Must be your surgery I have been to see my GP plus a physio at the same practice 3 times in the last six weeks.

I think you are using "surgery" in two different ways. 1. Surgery as in a surgical procedure or operation.   2. Surgery as in a GP practice.                              

                                                                                                   

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6 minutes ago, antrin said:

You don’t get to see a GP down here.

You call for appointments and the doc will call you back.
that worked fine for me, but many people would find it difficult to explain their problem, what may be needed and how the NHS could help.

In April during lockdown, after a GP phone consultation, I got an appointment, which involved an examination and a blood sample being taken. The GP had the full PPE ensemble, although I did note she didn't sterilise my arm before taking the blood sample. However, follow up appointments were by phone.

Other folk at work had non-phone GP appointments during lockdown. Also, GP's are currently arranging hospital appointments for patients where required. My wife got a hospital appointment two weeks ago and was up at the RAH yesterday.

My next door neighbour had an operation on her toe, at the end of June, which involved breaking her toe and putting in some metalwork. It had initially been postponed, but she was given a week's notice for the rescheduled operation. My mate had a bronchoscopy and chest x-rays during lockdown at the QE Hospital.

However, with mitigations in place, there is no real reason why GP surgeries and hospitals shouldn't be significantly increasing their number of face to face appointments at present.

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Guest TPAFKATS
It's factual according to your response to him as well as the link from the Scottish government website I posted earlier. Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? 
The relevant point is that some treatments have continued since March. Other treatments and procedures have re started in recent weeks. Hendo implied otherwise as I pointed out earlier.
I might not be on the same wavelength as you, hendo and oaksoft regarding this but that doesn't mean I am wrong.
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1 hour ago, TPAFKATS said:

The relevant point is that some treatments have continued since March. Other treatments and procedures have re started in recent weeks. Hendo implied otherwise as I pointed out earlier.
I might not be on the same wavelength as you, hendo and oaksoft regarding this but that doesn't mean I am wrong.

What treatments have continued since March? I can't think of any that haven't had some disruption, other than emergency life or death interventions.

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1 hour ago, TPAFKATS said:

I might not be on the same wavelength as you, hendo and oaksoft regarding this but that doesn't mean I am wrong.

That reads as very bazilish.

Without the utter rectitude, certitude and dismissive disdain.

 

nicely done.  :)

 

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What treatments have continued since March? I can't think of any that haven't had some disruption, other than emergency life or death interventions.
Well.... You've answered your own question.
There are others, obviously not everything continued.
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13 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

The relevant point is that some treatments have continued since March. Other treatments and procedures have re started in recent weeks. Hendo implied otherwise as I pointed out earlier.
I might not be on the same wavelength as you, hendo and oaksoft regarding this but that doesn't mean I am wrong.

The relevant point is in the link I posted earlier in the thread that there was massive disruption, all non life threatening surgeries were stopped and for a period of time which is easing now the majority of general Dr appt were done over the phone. 

The original point stands, the majority of people needing medical treatment didn't receive it for a period of months. 

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On 9/1/2020 at 10:54 PM, Hendo said:

Well, they've achieved that, 2 deaths in 7 weeks and 5 people in intensive care. Hospital admissions are way down, mainly because other treatments have been paused. It's a very strange approach to stop treating people who are currently ill to keep space for those who might get ill in the future.

Anyone who thinks the Scottish Government has dealt with this well isn't paying attention.

 

On 9/1/2020 at 11:00 PM, TPAFKATS said:
On 9/1/2020 at 10:54 PM, Hendo said:
Well, they've achieved that, 2 deaths in 7 weeks and 5 people in intensive care. Hospital admissions are way down, mainly because other treatments have been paused. It's a very strange approach to stop treating people who are currently ill to keep space for those who might get ill in the future.
Anyone who thinks the Scottish Government has dealt with this well isn't paying attention.

The NHS isn't doing this

 

On 9/1/2020 at 11:21 PM, Hendo said:

My son has asthma. A couple of weeks ago, probably as he was back at school, he got a cold and it went into his chest and made his asthma worse. We phoned NHS 24, and were asked to take him to hospital. They took his oxygen levels once (the issue was the levels were fluctuating), said he was fine and sent him home. He was there for about half an hour. We were advised to follow up with his GP, which amounted to a two minute phone call and an instruction to not bring him to the surgery.

The same thing happened to him last October. Then, he was in hospital for ten hours as the monitored him, and the following day had a full consultation with the GP.

The NHS have reduced services for those that need them to create capacity for those that don't, under Government instruction.

 

On 9/2/2020 at 8:06 AM, Hendo said:

It's a well established fact that the majority of non Covid related medical interventions haven't been taking place, and while these are gradually coming back, they are still well below what would usually happen, with a massive backlog now in place. So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months.

 

 

On 9/2/2020 at 9:22 AM, TPAFKATS said:

It's not a well established fact.
Its a well established narrative.

 

23 hours ago, slapsalmon said:

It's not a narrative, all routine surgeries were stopped. Some have started back at a very reduced capacity and others are still on hold. 

GPS have not allowed patients inside the buildings since around the same time. 

 

Eta heres a link from the 17th of March detailing the stopping of surgery. 

https://www.gov.scot/news/nhs-scotland-placed-on-emergency-footing/

 

 

21 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

Hendo's post stated
"So yes, those that need medical treatment have been denied it over the last few months."
That's a sweeping generalisation, it's not fact. Some treatments were postponed, not all. Emergency treatments were still undertaken.

 

19 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:


 

 


Again that's opinion. It could be factual in some cases but not all as many who need a service are still receiving it.

 

 

13 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

The relevant point is that some treatments have continued since March. Other treatments and procedures have re started in recent weeks. Hendo implied otherwise as I pointed out earlier.
I might not be on the same wavelength as you, hendo and oaksoft regarding this but that doesn't mean I am wrong.

I've quoted most of the conversation, highlighted the link to the gov website which details the stopping of treatment, I've also highlighted several times you agreed that treatments have stolped while saying he is wrong. 

No one has said emergency treatments have stopped, but it cannot be argued that there has been no disruption to the NHS and people needing routine operations or non life threatening treatment. Gp appointments where possible are also carried out over the phone. My GP won't allow anyone in unless it cannot be done on the phone (and the stock answer is to write a prescription without knowing if its needed) , and my partners work which is a GP surgery is the same. 

You can say your not wrong as long as you want, but as highlighted above you have actually agreed with the point several times while ever so slightly moving the goalposts to say your not wrong. Anyway I've had enough, your like bazil mk2

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