Sue Denim Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) Lest we forget that @Bud the Baker’s “favourite” statistic was 100,000 people dying under his own favoured lockdown policies he ate the poor Edited March 21, 2021 by Sue Denim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Edited, just recieved a pm.I can't believe the occupation of someone's partner, hope their boss and their customers are so understanding. [emoji44][emoji3574] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 A year this evening the announcement was made that the UK was going into a real lockdown, not the current fake one. No one knew what was in front of us, the massive changes to daily life, the beginning of the end of many business's, the loss of many things we, rightly, had taken for granted and the tragic deaths of many people. To everyone who's came through this, it's something that has changed your life. Anyone who's lost a family member, or close friend, the pain will subside but never leave you. This thread has produced some cracking posts, some not so great, but it's a record of a historic year. It reflects what we've all been through in some way or another, how we've reacted, changed and where we are as people and society. It's not done yet, but it's close. Roll on the old normal, shove this "new normal", it's not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 6:34 PM, Sue Denim said: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.02.21252734v1 “Severe COVID-19 was strongly associated with recent exposure to hospital “ And how does your no lockdown necessary and the pandemic "ended" in Autumn 2020 narrative fit into this paper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Covid vaccine: US trial of AstraZeneca jab confirms safety - BBC News This trial shows a fantastic outcome for the astrazeneca vaccine. 100% protection from severe illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Sorry I wasn't about to wish you all a Happy Annivirusy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, antrin said: Sorry I wasn't about to wish you all a Happy Annivirusy! Where the feck's that facepalm emoji when you need it? You could at least have used this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, antrin said: Sorry I wasn't about to wish you all a Happy Annivirusy! Aw FFS that's brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 Czechia locked hard and early last year - they locked down a week before the UK They now have the worst death toll in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Sue Denim said: Czechia locked hard and early last year - they locked down a week before the UK They now have the worst death toll in the world I heard you've been there for a few drunken weekends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 2:38 AM, Sue Denim said: Lest we forget that @Bud the Baker’s “favourite” statistic was 100,000 people dying under his own favoured lockdown policies he ate the poor Did you edit a post to remove your claim that the drop in cases had nothing to do with lockdown or the vaccines? For a start, I'd agree to an extent with lockdown. I think that has absolutely delayed herd immunity. Social distancing has done the same thing. Don't get me started on face masks. All of these measures (except the masks) have simply kicked the can down the road. Before we had vaccines, herd immunity was the only reasonable option - the alternative being to never have normality again. Now that we have working vaccines, social distancing measures can kick the can far enough down the road to allow everyone in the vulnerable categories to be vaccinated. Had we not already been in a lockdown for a year, a short "let's vaccinate the vulnerable" lockdown might have been tolerable. BUT to claim the vaccines have not caused the current drop is pretty ridiculous. Just look at the rate of decline in cases. Seasonality is a factor obviously but there's no way it would account for that rate of drop. It's been too precipitous for it to be anything other than the vaccines. AND you need to consider that the only difference between us and the rest of Europe (many of whom are seeing large rises in cases, hospitalisations and deaths) is that we have vaccinated almost all of our vulnerable people. So, you need to explain THAT if you're going to say vaccines don't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Latest NRS weekly mortality statistics out today. 65 covid deaths in the latest week despite the overall number of deaths being below normal. As can be seen from the graph below, in the second wave, as covid deaths increase, non covid deaths decrease and as covid deaths decrease, non covid deaths increase back to normal. It’s clear misattribution of deaths - and all there on the NRS website to see. Why is no-one questioning this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 12:10 PM, oaksoft said: Seasonality is a factor obviously but there's no way it would account for that rate of drop. It's been too precipitous for it to be anything other than the vaccines. Weekly all cause mortality in Scotland since 1974 in the graph below. Notice the precipitous drop in deaths every. single. year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Latest excess death report for Scotland from the European Health Monitor. Flu was more deadly in 2018 in Scotland than covid was this winter. @oaksoft note the “precipitous” drop in deaths in 2018. Was that down to lockdowns and vaccines as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Lockdowns delayed herd immunity, thereby extending the pandemic and exposing the vulnerable and elderly in healthcare settings to covid for an extended period of time. Lockdowns have killed people and increased the death toll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Latest excess deaths in Europe in this third wave..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Lockdowns delayed herd immunity, thereby extending the pandemic and exposing the vulnerable and elderly in healthcare settings to covid for an extended period of time. Lockdowns have killed people and increased the death toll. Mibbe. But, like those that claim that lockdowns saved lives, you have no evidence to back up your assertion.Mibbe it saved lives, mibbe it cost lives, mibbe the exact same number of people would have died, mibbe it would have been the same people, mibbe it would have been totally different people, mibbe it would have been a mixture. The fact is that we will never 100% know, so you, and those that claim the opposite, can bump yer gums 'til the coos come hame, it will make no difference to anything that we know, or will ever know, for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Better than the 1% offered in England 👍🏻🏴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Sue Denim said: Weekly all cause mortality in Scotland since 1974 in the graph below. Notice the precipitous drop in deaths every. single. year. I was talking about the drop in covid cases, hospitalisations and deaths. You seem to be wittering on about some other shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Sue Denim said: Latest excess death report for Scotland from the European Health Monitor. Flu was more deadly in 2018 in Scotland than covid was this winter. @oaksoft note the “precipitous” drop in deaths in 2018. Was that down to lockdowns and vaccines as well? And now you are wittering on about flu. Who cares about flu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 Oaky treated his wife to hair extensions, classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 They look like there made of toilet paper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 hours ago, ALBIONSAINT said: They look like there made of toilet paper? He does have plenty after his hoarding spree last year. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 Weekly all cause mortality in Scotland, winter 2017/18 v 2020/21 Looking forward to reading @oaksoft’s explanation as to how the fall in winter deaths 3 years ago were *more* “precipitous than this winter....... despite there being no lockdowns or vaccines being rolled out....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Sue Denim said: Weekly all cause mortality in Scotland, winter 2017/18 v 2020/21 Looking forward to reading @oaksoft’s explanation as to how the fall in winter deaths 3 years ago were *more* “precipitous than this winter....... despite there being no lockdowns or vaccines being rolled out....... If you are going to continue to witter on about unrelated and utterly pointless things then you'll be talking to yourself you cheeky wee scamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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