faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 minute ago, HSS said: Did she actually mention football? Not that I heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Cases, the scary number, continues to fall............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 46 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Not that I heard. She did not ,but again she did not mention any particular business, that's still to come in the detail but it could mean big queues to get in and distancing at food outlets and toilets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, waldorf34 said: She did not ,but again she did not mention any particular business, that's still to come in the detail but it could mean big queues to get in and distancing at food outlets and toilets No for me it wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 An artist I like had to cancel his scheduled gig at the weekend and the remainder of his our after one of his band tested positive.Within days, every single person in his bubble tested positive, from musicians to manager. Sent from my HD1913 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 21 hours ago, faraway saint said: A few days ago the "inflated" number, due to a delay in reporting, was 5,000 cases, in Scotland, in the one day. This figure was all over the media. Well, two can play that game, compared to that figure, todays figure, 3,756, has shown a drop of 25%. Can't wait for tomorrows continued absolute abuse of power from wee Nicky. so the delayed figure represents more than one day's cases, maybe more than 2 and the next single day comes in substantially above 50% of the previous period. This absolutely shows a marked increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: so the delayed figure represents more than one day's cases, maybe more than 2 and the next single day comes in substantially above 50% of the previous period. This absolutely shows a marked increase. Eh? Who said there was no increase? I'm not disputing the numbers, I'm pointing out, as if it needs pointing out of you had any sense, that the manipulation of the figures is scandalous. Also, as I stated earlier, hospitals treat patients, not the number of cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Stolen from Facebook....................sums it up for a lot of people. Reduce contact with people you know and have a better chance they are negative, yet mix with thousands you have no idea if they are vaccinated etc? Is this getting more and more confusing so work from home if you can, limit the number of people you have contact with but concerts, football games etc can still go ahead as long as you have had your booster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Stolen from Facebook....................sums it up for a lot of people. Reduce contact with people you know and have a better chance they are negative, yet mix with thousands you have no idea if they are vaccinated etc? Is this getting more and more confusing so work from home if you can, limit the number of people you have contact with but concerts, football games etc can still go ahead as long as you have had your booster.I thought we weren't allowed to goto football. Hawd the bus that was waldorf not me imagining things this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said: 3 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Stolen from Facebook....................sums it up for a lot of people. Reduce contact with people you know and have a better chance they are negative, yet mix with thousands you have no idea if they are vaccinated etc? Is this getting more and more confusing so work from home if you can, limit the number of people you have contact with but concerts, football games etc can still go ahead as long as you have had your booster. I thought we weren't allowed to goto football. Hawd the bus that was waldorf not me imagining things this time. Games cancelled anyway so you can't go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 I feel I should clarify somethings here. I'm not against rules/guidelines/laws that make a real difference and are necessary, I've complied throughout this mess, when many haven't. There is NOTHING to back up the reaction from both the UK and Scottish governments reactions and inflammatory language. Aye, I'm not a sheep or a rebel, just not willing to accept everything that the government say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 1:45 PM, Doakes said: Ignoring the fact that the leaky vaccines still allow transmission, Britain is now a heavily vaccinated country with a low death rate - by prioritising boosters for healthy people with well functioning immune systems over assisting developing nations with large numbers of unvaccinated people seems an odd way of going about things If it was all about saving lives, they would be prioritising getting the NHS back to full capacity - waiting lists for cancer treatment, operations etc. are absolutely massive and need to be addressed as a matter of priority Moving on to boosters 4, 5, 6, 7 at such a frantic rate is unnecessary and not what the public signed up for. What happened to getting back to normal once most of the population was vaccinated? Careful now, talking a bit too much sense there. I think what we now realise is the vaccines are a bit shit. I'm double jabbed, but have no intention of getting a booster of something that doesn't work very well. Of course, nobody wants to acknowledge that or people might panic even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hendo said: Careful now, talking a bit too much sense there. I think what we now realise is the vaccines are a bit shit. I'm double jabbed, but have no intention of getting a booster of something that doesn't work very well. Of course, nobody wants to acknowledge that or people might panic even more. You have some evidence of this or are you just another conspiracy nutter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 FFS how many flat earthers are there. [emoji1787] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: FFS how many flat earthers are there. It's astonishing, but we should be thankful for the internet to give them a platform to show the world how utterly mad they can be. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Careful now, talking a bit too much sense there. I think what we now realise is the vaccines are a bit shit. I'm double jabbed, but have no intention of getting a booster of something that doesn't work very well. Of course, nobody wants to acknowledge that or people might panic even more.The booster will be a different vaccine to your first 2 jags (yes, it's a jag not a jab, you are Scottish after all) and so will protect you more. As already mentioned on here, the Pfizer is apparently better against this particular variant so if you've had, say, two AZ jags then going for a booster, which would probably be Pfizer, would be the safe bet.But only if you can get back in time from Roswell. [emoji16]Sent from my SM-A415F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbriansaint72 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 To be honest I got booster a couple of weeks ago and I think it was before what one was more effective. I was given the moderna, I guess that was the more available one here at the time. To me anyway I think it's as effective as the risks you are willing to take. If you are gallus with that(a phrase they don't know in West cumbria) then so be it. I just try not to put myself in bad situations and LFT twice a week. We still got a horrid lot of those throat as well as nose ones at home🤢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 The booster will be a different vaccine to your first 2 jags (yes, it's a jag not a jab, you are Scottish after all) and so will protect you more. As already mentioned on here, the Pfizer is apparently better against this particular variant so if you've had, say, two AZ jags then going for a booster, which would probably be Pfizer, would be the safe bet.But only if you can get back in time from Roswell. [emoji16]Sent from my SM-A415F using TapatalkThe booster will be different if you had AZ for your 1st 2 jags and aren't allergic to Pfizer or Moderna. [emoji6]I got Moderna for all 3, how special am I [emoji848] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 The booster will be different if you had AZ for your 1st 2 jags and aren't allergic to Pfizer or Moderna. [emoji6]I got Moderna for all 3, how special am I [emoji848]I heard that Trump had shares in Moderna and their vaccine was just doses of Dettol. Sent from my SM-A415F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: The booster will be different if you had AZ for your 1st 2 jags and aren't allergic to Pfizer or Moderna. I got Moderna for all 3, how special am I Special....................................needs? Oooops, snowflake alert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 hours ago, faraway saint said: You have some evidence of this or are you just another conspiracy nutter? The evidence is the number of people still getting covid after being vaccinated. I believe in vaccinations, always get the flu jag, kids are fully immunised, but most other vaccines stop you from becoming ill. This one doesn't, hence its a bit shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hendo said: The evidence is the number of people still getting covid after being vaccinated. I believe in vaccinations, always get the flu jag, kids are fully immunised, but most other vaccines stop you from becoming ill. This one doesn't, hence its a bit shit. "Getting" covid, in itself, isn't, despite the media's usual over reaction, a major issue for the vast majority. It DOES "stop you from becoming ill". Isn't the main job of this vaccination to reduce the chance of serious illness and death and reduce the number of people requiring hospital treatment? Also the booster does what it says on the tin, greatly reducing the effects of the virus. Where do you think we'd be WITHOUT the "shit" vaccine/booster? Edited December 15, 2021 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Hendo said: Careful now, talking a bit too much sense there. I think what we now realise is the vaccines are a bit shit. I'm double jabbed, but have no intention of getting a booster of something that doesn't work very well. Of course, nobody wants to acknowledge that or people might panic even more. Not everything in life comes with absolute guarantees. The vaccines did a fantastic job against all pre-Omicron variants Hardly a bit shit, just consider that your booster may well be the difference between mild and moderate to severe symptoms if you do get Omicron COVID. I’ve had my booster several weeks ago and still expect to get sick at some point but have given myself a better chance of getting through it without lasting effects or spreading the illness further make your own choices but don’t denigrate vaccines that have done a fantastic job so for Edited December 15, 2021 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: The vaccines did a fantastic job against all pre-Omicron variants Hardly a bit shit, just consider that your booster may well be the difference between mild and moderate to severe symptoms if you do get Omicron COVID. I’ve had my booster several weeks ago and still expect to get sick at some point but have given myself a better chance of getting through it without lasting effects make your own choices but don’t denigrate vaccines that have done a fantastic job so for Currently vaccine rates are over 80%, however 65% of people in hospital with covid are double vaccinated. That means it is having some effect - if it wasn't that figure would be at the same level as the vaccination rate - but you can't say that it is doing a fantastic job when almost two thirds of people with serious illness have had the vaccine. I get that this is scary for people to hear as the vaccine is all we have, but the facts are it's not been nearly as effective as they had hoped. They did rush it through which is perhaps the reason for that, but this is yet another false narrative, that the vaccine is more effective than it is. Compare its effectiveness for instance to the MMR, which has virtually eradicated these three diseases in children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hendo said: Currently vaccine rates are over 80%, however 65% of people in hospital with covid are double vaccinated. That means it is having some effect - if it wasn't that figure would be at the same level as the vaccination rate - but you can't say that it is doing a fantastic job when almost two thirds of people with serious illness have had the vaccine. I get that this is scary for people to hear as the vaccine is all we have, but the facts are it's not been nearly as effective as they had hoped. They did rush it through which is perhaps the reason for that, but this is yet another false narrative, that the vaccine is more effective than it is. Compare its effectiveness for instance to the MMR, which has virtually eradicated these three diseases in children. Can we not? The vaccine rates are closer to 90%, when we look at the vulnerable categories (older ages, serious health conditions) they are higher still. The majority of people that have refused vaccines are younger people who are less at risk from serious illness naturally anyway. When we breakdown the hospitalisations and see that 35% of people (going on your stats here, I haven't separately fact checked) of people are unvaccinated, it's overwhelming evidence the vaccines is doing a "fantastic job" Edited December 15, 2021 by bazil85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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