oaksoft Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: Yeah I understand Bill Gates is now the WHO's largest funder and the influence that gives him it's one of the inevitabilities of the current system when the super-rich have wealth greater than many Third World countries. I hope that when we come out of the other side of Covid-19 enough people will realize we weren't all in it together, who the current economic measures are really designed to protect and that instead of getting richer from a crisis as the capitalist system ensures they do they will indeed get eaten. You ain't telling me nothing I don't know and when the day comes Cap'n I know what side of the barricade I'll be on! The side of the barricade full of people who don't know how to earn a living without others creating employment for them? Ach I'm joking. A little bit...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 16 hours ago, faraway saint said: Have you checked if they have been checked for the virus? FYI Romania has one of the lowest cases and deaths and yet your running around screaming as usual. Get a grip. You were spouting this "get a grip" shite when the UK was showing low numbers like this and yet within 2 or 3 weeks we were seeing the arse end of 1000 deaths per day and even those figures are probably half what they should be given they inexplicably don't include non-hospital deaths. I see you have learned nothing? Pipe down and stop spamming the forum with your nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, oaksoft said: You were spouting this "get a grip" shite when the UK was showing low numbers like this and yet within 2 or 3 weeks we were seeing the arse end of 1000 deaths per day and even those figures are probably half what they should be given they inexplicably don't include non-hospital deaths. I see you have learned nothing? Pipe down and stop spamming the forum with your nonsense. Here he comes, disappointed the figures provided aren't big enough to justify his scaremongering so he's adding in unknown numbers to make him feel better. Knew you'd get excited when the numbers were in the 900's, but, as usual, you boost it up to 1,000. What a sad state you've got yourself in all because you made a graph and don't have the brains to think your figures were pish. Away you go. 👋 Edited April 16, 2020 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) It’s appearing that of the 6,082 excess mortality for week ending 3rd April that 2,607 were not linked to Covid 19 In other words, the lockdown itself killed 2,607 people that week. Edited April 16, 2020 by Hiram Abiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hiram Abiff said: It’s appearing that of the 6,082 excess mortality for week ending 3rd April that 2,607 were not linked to Covid 19 In other words, the lockdown itself killed 2,607 people that week. Quite possibly but without knowing how many excess deaths would have occurred without a lockdown you have no comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 18 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: Yeah I understand Bill Gates is now the WHO's largest funder and the influence that gives him it's one of the inevitabilities of the current system when the super-rich have wealth greater than many Third World countries. I hope that when we come out of the other side of Covid-19 enough people will realize we weren't all in it together, who the current economic measures are really designed to protect and that instead of getting richer from a crisis as the capitalist system ensures they do they will indeed get eaten. You ain't telling me nothing I don't know and when the day comes Cap'n I know what side of the barricade I'll be on! You’re supporting the rich capitalists and the right wing police state You’re supporting the measures that are killing people in the UK and will kill millions worlwide And the rich, those running the WHO and Bill Gates will get richer on the back of it I know full well what side of the barricade you and the faux left are on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, faraway saint said: Here he comes, disappointed the figures provided aren't big enough to justify his scaremongering so he's adding in unknown numbers to make him feel better. Knew you'd get excited when the numbers were in the 900's, but, as usual, you boost it up to 1,000. What a sad state you've got yourself in all because you made a graph and don't have the brains to think your figures were pish. Away you go. 👋 Seriously, do you have a life outside this forum? I ask because you seem to be making up about 80% of all the posts. You're worse than Ricky FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) The care homes deaths are a bit of a red herring Its terrible that people are dying earlier than they should But the reason for the lockdown is to flatten the curve and ensure the NHS could cope The lockdown isn’t going to eradicate the virus nor is it going to stop people dying of it. It’s just supposed to even it out a bit. As the NHS is coping and the example of Sweden proves that the curve can be flattened without a full lockdown, then the lockdown must be lifted. We can’t continue with a measure that is actually killing thousands of people now on the basis of an Imperial College estimate which made wild over estimations. An estimate produced by people who have a vested interest in having a lockdown until a vaccine comes along. Edited April 16, 2020 by Hiram Abiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, bazil85 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52305053 Some recommendation that "significant" social distancing measures will need to remain until a vaccine comes in or the virus will just bounce back. This is such a soul destroying thought but our only hope might be this lock-down being long-term for large groups of people. I know it's hardly a priority but that would surely mean no fans at football grounds indefinitely, maybe even no football at all continuing. This lockdown killed 2,607 people for the week ending 3rd April. Sweden proves that the curve can be flattened without a full lockdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Seriously, do you have a life outside this forum? I ask because you seem to be making up about 80% of all the posts. You're worse than Ricky FFS. Oh dear, this is your normal approach when you've been made out a fool. The old "life outside the forum" pointless post, well done. What posts am I making up, 80%? With your record on numbers I doubt that'll be accurate. Worse than Thicky? You've made a cnut of yourself on a regular basis in the last few weeks, this is just another post which confirms you're a beaten man. Best you take a wee, wait, a long break. Oh, still waiting on your apology with your unbelievable post about me not having a wife. Edited April 16, 2020 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, Hiram Abiff said: This lockdown killed 2,607 people for the week ending 3rd April. Sweden proves that the curve can be flattened without a full lockdown We end the lock-down, we overwhelm the health service and other people die, it doesn't suggest without a lock-down 2,607 people would be saved that week with no more fatalities added . There is no easy way out of this. Sweden have basically taken an approach that it's okay for people to die to protect the economy. They're also far from out of this yet. Not a view I would take at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Hiram Abiff said: This lockdown killed 2,607 people for the week ending 3rd April. Sweden proves that the curve can be flattened without a full lockdown Sweden has a population of about 10 million and an area of 450,295 square kilometres - less than the population that packs itself into the Greater London Urban area of 1,750 sq kms You can much more easily isolate in one rather than the other. Plus... I bet you Sweden has not imposed austerity on it health system for years. I would ask someone better skilled in the "graphs and curve-flattening" department to have a look... Edited April 16, 2020 by antrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, antrin said: Sweden has a population of about 10 million and an area of 450,295 square kilometres - less than the population that pack itself into the London Metropolitan area.1,750 s You can much more easily isolate in The futility of comparing apples to oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, faraway saint said: The futility of comparing apples to oranges. Aye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 Neil Ferguson gets paid by the WHO for advice The WHO is funded by Bill Gates Bill Gates is developing a vaccine Neil Ferguson is in the news today stating that significant social distancing is needed until a vaccine is developed. The WHO says the same. Follow the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, antrin said: Sweden has a population of about 10 million and an area of 450,295 square kilometres - less than the population that packs itself into the Greater London Urban area of 1,750 sq kms You can much more easily isolate in one rather than the other. Plus... I bet you Sweden has not imposed austerity on it health system for years. I would ask someone better skilled in the "graphs and curve-flattening" department to have a look... 85% of the population of Sweden live in urban areas. They don’t spread themselves out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Abiff Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, bazil85 said: We end the lock-down, we overwhelm the health service and other people die, it doesn't suggest without a lock-down 2,607 people would be saved that week with no more fatalities added . There is no easy way out of this. Sweden have basically taken an approach that it's okay for people to die to protect the economy. They're also far from out of this yet. Not a view I would take at all. Sweden have done no such thing! Lockdown or not, the same number of people will die. The point of the lockdown is to spread it instead of it all happening at once! You seem to be missing the point! It was supposed to be about flattening the curve such that the health service was not overwhelmed. Sweden are doing that. And you have absolutely no evidence that if we end lockdown that it would overwhelm the NHS. Sweden hasn’t been overwhelmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Hiram Abiff said: You’re supporting the rich capitalists and the right wing police state You’re supporting the measures that are killing people in the UK and will kill millions worlwide And the rich, those running the WHO and Bill Gates will get richer on the back of it I know full well what side of the barricade you and the faux left are on Is that the best you can do Cap'n, swallow Trump's re-election agenda & the Alt-Right propaganda underpinning it? It ain't new and it ain't true - you're really gonna have to up your game Cap'n. I think y'all will be unpleasantly surprised by the new politics that will emerge post Covid-19. I'll be on the opposite side of the barricade from a forelock-tugging Tory lickspittle like yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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W6er Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said: Is that the best you can do Cap'n, swallow Trump's re-election agenda & the Alt-Right propaganda underpinning it? It ain't new and it ain't true - you're really gonna have to up your game Cap'n. I think y'all will be unpleasantly surprised by the new politics that will emerge post Covid-19. I'll be on the opposite side of the barricade from a forelock-tugging Tory lickspittle like yourself. Wait, the 'Alt-Right' are opposed to the meddling of unelected globalist quangos and are sceptical about the true motivations of an apparently philanthropic multi-billionaire? Is that really the preserve of the 'Alt-Right'? If so, what's happened to the 'left'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 29 minutes ago, Hiram Abiff said: Sweden have done no such thing! Lockdown or not, the same number of people will die. The point of the lockdown is to spread it instead of it all happening at once! You seem to be missing the point! It was supposed to be about flattening the curve such that the health service was not overwhelmed. Sweden are doing that. And you have absolutely no evidence that if we end lockdown that it would overwhelm the NHS. Sweden hasn’t been overwhelmed. Sweden's handling of this is nothing to be applauded. Their death-rate is higher than all other Nordic countries combined. Your view the same number of people will die is ludicrous, what can that possibly be based on? Us better preparing ourselves rather than everyone getting sick at once will limit people dying and not haste it as it has been for many people. Sweden have been panned for their handling, they have observably caused more, closer together deaths than their neighbours. last point is wrong, expert view is not having adequate social distancing will cause more people getting sick at the same time and needing hospital treatment, that increased number will obviously impact the NHS because people are getting sick at the same time. That's common sense I can see this being a point you have to apologise for down the line as well. Such a short-sighted view and ignorance to expert opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 Todays number, 861, a jump from yesterday of 761. First day over 800 for 5 days. Fingers crossed there's no increase tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, W6er said: Wait, the 'Alt-Right' are opposed to the meddling of unelected globalist quangos and are sceptical about the true motivations of an apparently philanthropic multi-billionaire? Is that really the preserve of the 'Alt-Right'? If so, what's happened to the 'left'? Yep, it's the Alt-Right in the US and Nigel Farage in the UK who are lining up to back Trump on cutting funding to the WHO not the left. It's clearly part of Trump's re-election strategy. Bill Gates & Big Pharma is a different issue. Edited April 16, 2020 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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salmonbuddie Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 At the risk of triggering the subject again, here's a wee graph for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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