Coronavirus

[St.Ricky]

5 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Getting people mixed up AGAIN, nurse? 

This is turning into another "Odd" thread again. 

You won't look any sillier than you already do. Neither will Oaksoft. 

Stats worldwide clearly show that the cases continue to escalate sharply. No surprise that this happens in larger numbers in countries with a poor record in managing the disease. It was always thus. 

Edited July 11, 2020 by St.Ricky

[Ayrshire Saints]

Hundreds of countries? [emoji38]

There's only about 2 hundred countries in total you utter spangle.

But yes, the virus is going away and we've nearly eradicated it within Scotland.

The talk of "it's not gone" is for the numpties out there who might engage in activities which could bring it back before we eradicate it completely.

How we keep it from re-entering the country in future is more of a problem but IMO we are probably a month or two from all internal cases being zero.

It's nearly eliminated not eradicated big difference. Is it "going away" or is it simply the measures have suppressed it, the next few weeks should answer that with more widespread indoor contact. It's probably an area that needs more research as we are repeatedly told by WM and SG that it is still as potent as it ever was but prevelance rates which the SG are keen to spout somewhat contradicts that. Likewise the constant narrative that it's "almost inevitable " as NS put it this week that there will re a rapid resurgence come the winter.

 

[Sue Denim]

Have you shaved off your hair yet?
Hair can trap virus particles which could then be blown onto a vulnerable person.
You dont need hair, and it grows back. It's such a small thing to do to save lives.
Not bald? = SELFISH

[Sue Denim]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

BBC News - Coronavirus: Republic of Ireland's R number rises back to one
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53360399

So according to the logic of the aptly named #thichasfcuk, its winter in Ireland now.

Deary me

I was right

thick as fuck 😂😂😂

[Sue Denim]

6 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Hundreds of countries? 

There's only about 2 hundred countries in total you utter spangle.

But yes, the virus is going away and we've nearly eradicated it within Scotland.

The talk of "it's not gone" is for the numpties out there who might engage in activities which could bring it back before we eradicate it completely.

How we keep it from re-entering the country in future is more of a problem but IMO we are probably a month or two from all internal cases being zero.

Nearly eradicated it?

deary me

this is @Cookie Monster levels of stupidity! 😂

where do you think the flu is hiding just now?

is that eradicated too?

There are 20-30k excess deaths every winter in the U.K. minimum. 50k in a bad year. 15,000 died in England & Wales in week 2 this year and this was a mild flu season.
 

There were less than 9,000 deaths last week.

To think that our interventions are eradicating a virus is looney tunes.

12-15k deaths per week minimum will happen again this winter. The flu will be back. If we were eradicating Covid then we’d be eradicating flu.

To deny seasonality is the stuff of lunatics like @Cookie Monster. Stop wearing his tin foil hat 😂

Edited July 11, 2020 by Sue Denim

[Sue Denim]

Locked down at the same time

which country is in summer just now and which is in winter?

if you’re not sure, borrow @Cookie Monster’s tinfoil hat and it’ll all become clearer 😂😂

Look our for Ireland going back into lockdown now that their R number is above 1 😂😂

 

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Fight the system guys!

[Sue Denim]

How hard hit a country was by Covid depended on how hard hit they were by flu in the past 2 years

Locking down to extend the lives of terminally ill elderly people by a few weeks, who’d survived a mild flu period is lunacy 

The denial of death - Ernest Becker

All for the sake of virtue signalling 

 

[Sue Denim]

[Sue Denim]

 

[Sue Denim]

[FTOF]

From the New York Times.

Resurgences

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan signed an order requiring residents to wear masks in indoor public spaces and in crowded outdoor areas. Violators may be punished by a $500 fine. In a rollback of reopening plans, Gov. Steve Sisolak of Nevada said that beginning this weekend, the state will close bars in some counties and limit indoor and outdoor dining to parties of up to six people. In South Carolina, selling alcoholic drinks in restaurants and bars will be banned beginning Saturday night over concerns about the virus’s spread among young people. Gov. Andy Beshear of Kentucky announced that masks will be mandatory in many public settings starting today. Hong Kong, facing a third wave of the virus driven by locally transmitted infections, shut down its school system today.

Here’s a roundup of restrictions in all 50 states.

[St.Ricky]

15 minutes ago, FTOF said:

From the New York Times.

Resurgences

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan signed an order requiring residents to wear masks in indoor public spaces and in crowded outdoor areas. Violators may be punished by a $500 fine. In a rollback of reopening plans, Gov. Steve Sisolak of Nevada said that beginning this weekend, the state will close bars in some counties and limit indoor and outdoor dining to parties of up to six people. In South Carolina, selling alcoholic drinks in restaurants and bars will be banned beginning Saturday night over concerns about the virus’s spread among young people. Gov. Andy Beshear of Kentucky announced that masks will be mandatory in many public settings starting today. Hong Kong, facing a third wave of the virus driven by locally transmitted infections, shut down its school system today.

Here’s a roundup of restrictions in all 50 states.

Clearly, they are misguided. 

Some might say. 

[bazil85]

18 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

Three quarters of people with flu don’t have symptoms....

does anyone else know of a virus like this?

 https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/three-quarters-of-people-with-flu-have-no-symptoms/
 

I wonder where the flu goes in the summer?

No need to worry in future though. Nicola Sturgeon is going to eliminate it 😂😂😂

It was shown you were wrong in saying the SNP are claiming they’ll ‘eliminate’ it. The person that did say it also warned about the danger of importing it again. 
 

Other countries hitting varying peaks at different seasonal points also shows you’ve been wrong on thinking this is just another flu.

It is beyond doubt Lockdown was the right call. (Words on any answers this afternoon, I agree) 

[oaksoft]

4 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

Fight the system guys!

If you think this is in ANY way comparable to the second world war then there's not much to add.

[oaksoft]

"Face masks are here to stay for the forseeable future" according to Sturgeon.

Oh joy!

 

[oaksoft]

6 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

It's nearly eliminated not eradicated big difference. Is it "going away" or is it simply the measures have suppressed it, the next few weeks should answer that with more widespread indoor contact. It's probably an area that needs more research as we are repeatedly told by WM and SG that it is still as potent as it ever was but prevelance rates which the SG are keen to spout somewhat contradicts that. Likewise the constant narrative that it's "almost inevitable " as NS put it this week that there will re a rapid resurgence come the winter.

 

I know what you mean.

I'm using those two words interchangeably.

No doubt it is sitting out there waiting on the right conditions to come back.

 

[St.Ricky]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

"Face masks are here to stay for the forseeable future" according to Sturgeon.

Oh joy!

 

Might improve your appearance. 

What's your problem with wearing one? 

[insaintee]

23 hours ago, faraway saint said:

So, to summarise, Boris wasn't to blame for the high volume of deaths in care homes and was closer to the truth this week when he mentioned that some care homes hadn't followed hygiene guidlines and were, in fact, to blame for the outbreaks and resulting deaths?

You'll not be popular with the witch hunters in here. 

The main issue is provision of PPE and getting it to care homes. Care homes are private businesses and do have the main responsibiltiy. But in Scotland PPE was provided to carehomes via the NHS. In England NHS staff were not provided with PPE, never mind supplying private carehomes. This is mainly due to the creeping privatisation of NHS England. 

And there are also questions about the provision of advice and guidance to the care homes prior to moving patients out. 

So sorry Boris not quite of the hook. 

Edited July 11, 2020 by insaintee

[faraway saint]

6 minutes ago, insaintee said:

The main issue is provision of PPE and getting it care homes. Care homes are private businesses and do have the main responsibiltiy. But in Scotland PPE was provided to carehomes via the NHS. In England NHS staff were not provided with PPE, never mind supplying private carehomes. This is mainly due to the creeping privatisation of NHS England. 

And there are also questions about the provision of advice and guidance to the care homes prior to moving patients out. 

So sorry Boris not quite of the hook. 

I've already stated governments have made mistakes, in the circumstances with this virus I think that's understandable, albeit with tragic consequences. 

I've certainly never said the UK government have been blameless, nor has the Scottish government.

Certainly ALL the blame, as posted by some dimwits, cannot be put at the UK governments door.

PS That's a couple of decent balanced posts you've made. 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by faraway saint

[insaintee]

1 minute ago, faraway saint said:

I've already stated governments have made mistakes, in the circumstances with this virus I think that's understandable, albeit with tragic consequences. 

I've certainly never said the UK government have been blameless, nor has the Scottish government.

 

Indeed but what has been made clear is that the systematic dismanteling of the NHS by the tories has produced a system with much poor resilience in England than the "old style," NHS in Scotland. 

The same can be seen in other areas where "privitisation," has been a cover for essentually rape and pillaging of the public purse. The gilb aceptance that private is good, public is bad has been shown up for what is, a great big steaming heap of manure 

 

 

[insaintee]

16 hours ago, faraway saint said:

With cases and fatalities dropping, despite life returning to normal for may people, could this virus be disappearing?

The initial catchphrase that it's "still out there" is becoming less believable by the week.

The majority of countries have seen the virus slither away, and in some case, totally disappear. 

The focus by the media is on the countries, like the USA, who are still struggling to contain it.

No mention of the hundreds of countries who have reported NO deaths day by day. 

 

Sigh

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.  

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200711-covid-19-sitrep-173.pdf?sfvrsn=949920b4_2

[faraway saint]

Just now, insaintee said:

Indeed but what has been made clear is that the systematic dismanteling of the NHS by the tories has produced a system with much poor resilience in England than the "old style," NHS in Scotland. 

The same can be seen in other areas where "privitisation," has been a cover for essentually rape and pillaging of the public purse. The gilb aceptance that private is good, public is bad has been shown up for what is, a great big steaming heap of manure 

 

 

I'm unconvinced that the HNS can EVER be what people would like it to be.

IMO it's too big and stumbles along, gobbling up billions of pounds every year.

It's too easy to point at the "lack of funding" when their are systematic flaws in management and at grass roots level.

 

 

 

[faraway saint]

1 minute ago, insaintee said:

Sigh

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.  

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200711-covid-19-sitrep-173.pdf?sfvrsn=949920b4_2

WE did prepare for the worst, and the worst never really touched the sides.

Their are bigger worries to come, that's for sure, with the disregard for existing illness's over the last 4 or 5 months.  

[insaintee]

1 minute ago, faraway saint said:

I'm unconvinced that the HNS can EVER be what people would like it to be.

IMO it's too big and stumbles along, gobbling up billions of pounds every year.

It's too easy to point at the "lack of funding" when their are systematic flaws in management and at grass roots level.

 

 

 

Well, I would disagree. with that.