oaksoft Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, TPAFKATS said: You've just admitted that you wear a mask despite being utterly opposed to wearing one. Who's the sheep? I explained exactly why I wear one further back in the thread. I have no wish to make life more difficult for minimum wage staff than it needs to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: The guy who always refers to peer reviewed science is you. Given that this is a new virus, there's going to be a lack of peer reviewed science. I'm happy to go with the view of the majority of scientific experts. And yet despite this uncertainty, Sturgeon has advised that not wearing masks is punishable by law AND that jumpers will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: displaying your lack of knowledge. There will never be any randomised controlled experiments conducted on mask effectiveness as you would only use infected individuals, and that means you cannot select your groups at random. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 The Dutch government on Wednesday said it will not advise the public to wear masks to slow the spread of coronavirus, asserting that their effectiveness has not been proven. The decision was announced by Minister for Medical Care Tamara van Ark after a review by the country's National Institute for Health (RIVM). The government will instead seek better adherence to social distancing rules after a surge in coronavirus cases in the country this week, Van Ark said at a press conference in The Hague. "Because from a medical perspective there is no proven effectiveness of masks, the Cabinet has decided that there will be no national obligation for wearing non-medical masks" Van Ark said. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN24U2UJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: You have, glad you have the ability to admit your flaws. Here's one example. Face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection (n=2647; aOR 0·15, 95% CI 0·07 to 0·34, RD −14·3%, −15·9 to −10·7; low certainty), with stronger associations with N95 or similar respirators compared with disposable surgical masks or similar (eg, reusable 12–16-layer cotton masks So the better the mask the greater protection. Think we all would have assumed that, well when I write all I don't envisage those that are #thichasfcuk would have. So what are the results for the types of masks worn by most people right now? What are the results for jumpers and scarves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, insaintee said: There will never be any randomised controlled experiments conducted on mask effectiveness as you would only use infected individuals, and that means you cannot select your groups at random. And no one actually knows the mechanism of transmission anyway .... as I’ve pointed out repeatedly. In other words no evidence. Edited August 3, 2020 by Sue Denim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, insaintee said: Not at all, displaying your lack of knowledge of the scientific method a What on earth are you talking about? The lack of controlled randomised tests is highly damaging to any argument about whether masks work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, insaintee said: There will never be any randomised controlled experiments conducted on mask effectiveness as you would only use infected individuals, and that means you cannot select your groups at random. OK I'm sorry but this is total nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 Cloth masks increase infection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 And yet despite this uncertainty, Sturgeon has advised that not wearing masks is punishable by law AND that jumpers will do.Is it a degree or PhD you have in whataboutery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Have any of the virtuous fascists found any evidence yet that masks work, cos I’m still waiting..... 🤔 Any evidence that lockdowns work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: And no one actually knows the mechanism of transmission anyway .... as I’ve pointed out repeatedly. In other words no evidence. FFS yes they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, TPAFKATS said: 15 minutes ago, oaksoft said: And yet despite this uncertainty, Sturgeon has advised that not wearing masks is punishable by law AND that jumpers will do. Is it a degree or PhD you have in whataboutery? Got to marvel at this guy’s irony and lack of self awareness 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, insaintee said: FFS yes they do. FFS no they don’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) This guy studied the transmission of respiratory viruses for 50 years and wrote this book and asked a load of questions. Fast forward to today and we’ve still not got the answers. Well, apart from @insaintee......🤔 https://www.dropbox.com/s/edn3jjd0a82otsy/11th The Transmission of Influenza BOOK.pdf?dl=0 Edited August 3, 2020 by Sue Denim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 maybe @insaintee can help them out cos he knows the answers..... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-argentina-fishermen-trawler-ushuaia-covid19-echizen-maru-a9621716.html%3famp Coronavirus: Fishermen test positive despite spending 35 days at sea and testing negative before they left hospital’s head of infectious diseases, Leandro Ballatore, told AFP he believed this is a “case that escapes all description in publications” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Sue Denim said: https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 Cloth masks increase infection It's a study of health care workers (Participants used the mask on every shift for 4 consecutive weeks.) & what it actually says is...... Quote reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection ......your policy of deliberately mis-stating what the articles you quote actually say is frustrating & a pity because I think the advice for washing cloth masks is hard to find - I've never heard it mentioned in any of the TV reports I've watched & inadequate mask-hygiene may well be counterproductive. Spoiler EWIW - The best info I can find is daily & at 60C Edited August 3, 2020 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 ......your policy of deliberately mis-stating what the articles you quote actually say is frustrating & a pity because I think the advice for washing cloth masks is hard to find - I've never heard it mentioned in any of the TV reports I've watched & inadequate mask-hygiene may well be counterproductive. Spoiler EWIW - Daily & at 60C Andy is a proven liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 The same can be said for praying and masturbation but nobody is advocating either of those as preventative measures against covid.Aren't they?? I better stop all that mast..., eh, praying that I'm doing then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said: It's a study of health care workers (Participants used the mask on every shift for 4 consecutive weeks.) & what it actually says is...... ......your policy of deliberately mis-stating what the articles you quote actually say is frustrating & a pity because I think the advice for washing cloth masks is hard to find - I've never heard it mentioned in any of the TV reports I've watched & inadequate mask-hygiene may well be counterproductive. Reveal hidden contents EWIW - The best info I can find is daily & at 60C A lot of pedantic irrelevancy just to end up agreeing with me 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: 38 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said: ......your policy of deliberately mis-stating what the articles you quote actually say is frustrating & a pity because I think the advice for washing cloth masks is hard to find - I've never heard it mentioned in any of the TV reports I've watched & inadequate mask-hygiene may well be counterproductive. Spoiler Reveal hidden contents EWIW - Daily & at 60C Andy is a proven liar. Have you found those stats showing excess deaths in England are *almost* 3 times than in Scotland? I’m still waiting 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 43 cases in Sweden today. No lockdown, no masks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Testing in the U.K. positive tests shown in orange at the bottom are so small they the grey line was added to show % of positive tests That second wave sure looks scary..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sue Denim said: A lot of pedantic irrelevancy just to end up agreeing with me 😉 No the article was about routine use (4 weeks) of cloth masks by healthcare workers, your glib summation of the article was deliberately misleading. The issue of whether people understand how to keep cloth masks clean for their own and other people's benefit during the current pandemic is a different matter Edited August 3, 2020 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 So what are the results for the types of masks worn by most people right now?You're suppose to be the brains on here, you work it out (n=2647; aOR 0·15, 95% CI 0·07 to 0·34, RD −14·3%, −15·9 to −10·7; low certainty)[emoji848]What are the results for jumpers and scarves?Less than above. [emoji6] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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