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13 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:


 

 


Definitely emotional but not nonsensical.

I've never questioned any sensible poster or credible scientist.

I even understood the graph you got slated by the poster I referred too previously, was if there wasn't a lockdown.

As you've written in the last paragraph probably, that's one of the reasons why I've erred on the side of a more cautious way forward.

 

Causing 40,000 avoidable deaths in the U.K. and millions around the world can hardly be described as cautious.

You are killing people, those deaths are on your hands. 

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With @Cookie Monster urging the government to shut down the NHS again this winter, throw thousands of elderly people out of hospital to their deaths and destroy the livelihoods of millions - all because he likes to think he’s being virtuous - it good to see a more sensible narrative now hitting the BBC

Its no surprise that callous fascists like @Cookie Monster want to shut down an alternative viewpoint. 

He’s previously threatened that he’d put me in hospital (he thinks he’s hard) and now he’s calling for me to be banned.
 

Covid: Is it time we learnt to live with the virus?
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649

Edited by Sue Denim

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1 minute ago, Sue Denim said:


Father-of-three, 38, given two years to live after lockdown restrictions delayed his cancer diagnosis
 

https://inews.co.uk/news/father-terminal-coronavirus-delay-cancer-diagnosis-498126

Very sad but a good example of how stories are spun and how you lap them up when they fit your agenda. 

"Ben Bradbeer, a 38-year-old father-of-three, says he was misdiagnosed with an infection and given antibiotics when he visited his GP in February complaining of pain and bowel changes."

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Wealth of US billionaires grows by a third, all while millions around the world are dying and thrown into poverty

Looks like the rich are eating the poor @Bud the Baker

profits before people 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/sep/17/wealth-of-us-billionaires-rises-by-nearly-a-third-during-pandemic

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Another paper out which demonstrates that the policies that are currently being followed are actually increasing deaths.

Abstract: Minimizing infections and deaths from COVID-19 are not the same thing. While society has some control on the final number of infected individuals through intervention and mitigation strategies, we have much greater control over the age-profile of the final cohort of infected individuals. By ignoring this distinction, strategies which focus on minimizing transmission rates to every extent possible in the entire population could increase deaths among all age groups.

We argue for what we call the heterogeneous transmission thesis: in the response to a highly transmittable infectious disease with highly age-variable mortality rates, death rates (for all age groups) may be minimized by mitigation strategies which selectively reduce transmission rates in at-risk populations, while maintaining closer-to-normal transmission rates in low-risk populations.

https://www.math.cmu.edu/~wes/covid.html
 

 

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10 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Very sad but a good example of how stories are spun and how you lap them up when they fit your agenda. 

"Ben Bradbeer, a 38-year-old father-of-three, says he was misdiagnosed with an infection and given antibiotics when he visited his GP in February complaining of pain and bowel changes."

And then

When he returned two months later with the same problems and rectal bleeding he was given more antibiotics and told he was unable to be referred to a hospital specialist “because of Covid-19”.

but you missed this out because it doesn’t fit your agenda 

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53 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:


I even understood the graph you got slated by the poster I referred too previously, was if there wasn't a lockdown.
 

 

Well that makes two of us. :D

I gave up on the rest of the posters months ago.

Interesting to hear Vallance talking today about 50,000 cases per day within the next couple of weeks. :blink:

That's right up there with the US which had no real lockdown. I can't bring myself to believe that. At some point the government is going to realise that these guys are charlatans and get rid of them.

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52 minutes ago, Sue Denim said:

If cases double every day as per the red bars then we’re in trouble.

But the red bars are made up.

The blue bars - mainly made up of false positives - aren’t doubling every 7 days however.

 

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You've now posted exactly the same type of predictive graph that, only yesterday, you gave me shit for posting.

Oh and OF COURSE the red lines are made up. We are not at the end of September yet. The are predictions.

 

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With [mention=15909]Cookie Monster[/mention] urging the government to shut down the NHS again this winter, throw thousands of elderly people out of hospital to their deaths and destroy the livelihoods of millions - all because he likes to think he’s being virtuous - it good to see a more sensible narrative now hitting the BBC
Its no surprise that callous fascists like [mention=15909]Cookie Monster[/mention] want to shut down an alternative viewpoint. 
He’s previously threatened that he’d put me in hospital (he thinks he’s hard) and now he’s calling for me to be banned.
 
Covid: Is it time we learnt to live with the virus?
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649


Like I've asked numerous times before and you've never provided the evidence, please show where I have supposedly threatened you and also where I've called you to be banned.

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Like I've asked numerous times before and you've never provided the evidence, please show where I have supposedly threatened you and also where I've called you to be banned.
I think everyone should be banned except those on my ignore list.

So the forum would be left with shull, shull, shull, shull, shull, baz, shull, shull, shull, sweep, shull, shull and shull.

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57 minutes ago, Sue Denim said:

And then

When he returned two months later with the same problems and rectal bleeding he was given more antibiotics and told he was unable to be referred to a hospital specialist “because of Covid-19”.

but you missed this out because it doesn’t fit your agenda 

If at that point it was suspected as bowel cancer he would have been refereed and they wouldn't have given more antibiotics. Do you see any gaps in this story yet? You can choose to believe it blindly, I think it's pretty ignorant not to think there's been a degree of spin. 

Poor guy and I feel for him but the root cause seems like misdiagnoses. 

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1 hour ago, Slarti said:

I think everyone should be banned except those on my ignore list.

So the forum would be left with shull, shull, shull, shull, shull, baz, shull, shull, shull, sweep, shull, shull and shull.

You'd still be here though, the obsession would demand it. :whistle

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

If at that point it was suspected as bowel cancer he would have been refereed and they wouldn't have given more antibiotics. Do you see any gaps in this story yet? You can choose to believe it blindly, I think it's pretty ignorant not to think there's been a degree of spin. 

Poor guy and I feel for him but the root cause seems like misdiagnoses. 

I blame Colum!

 

or was it Madden?

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7 hours ago, bazil85 said:

If the doubling rate keeps going it won't be pretty. This relates back to my point on short short-sightedness. Let's not forget many of the early posts on this thread underplayed the severity quite significantly. 

I know, 50,000 a day in October according to Vallance, which will double every week. If that carries on, by Christmas that will be more than 6 million a day and more people than exist will have been infected.

We're all doomed.

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3 minutes ago, Hendo said:

I know, 50,000 a day in October according to Vallance, which will double every week. If that carries on, by Christmas that will be more than 6 million a day and more people than exist will have been infected.

We're all doomed.

You can downplay it all you want with satire, that's fine. Trivialising the situation at the start of the year worked out well for everyone didn't it? :whistle

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3 hours ago, bazil85 said:

If at that point it was suspected as bowel cancer he would have been refereed and they wouldn't have given more antibiotics. Do you see any gaps in this story yet? You can choose to believe it blindly, I think it's pretty ignorant not to think there's been a degree of spin. 

Poor guy and I feel for him but the root cause seems like misdiagnoses. 

I think it's gaps in the NHS that are more of an issue.

I have seen at first hand the reduced services now given to those with non Covid related conditions. Everything is about Covid, and other conditions have been entirely forgotten about.

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3 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

You can downplay it all you want with satire, that's fine. Trivialising the situation at the start of the year worked out well for everyone didn't it? :whistle

I also seem to recall in March these very same experts were predicting half a million deaths in UK if we did nothing. This is their tactic, introduce unfeasibly large numbers, followed by restrictions, at the end of which they can say "look how well the restrictions worked" ignoring the fact the number they started with was nonsense.

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11 minutes ago, Hendo said:

I also seem to recall in March these very same experts were predicting half a million deaths in UK if we did nothing. This is their tactic, introduce unfeasibly large numbers, followed by restrictions, at the end of which they can say "look how well the restrictions worked" ignoring the fact the number they started with was nonsense.

They, experts, did and some gullible punters on here lapped it up.

Where is @Lord Pityme

PS I'm not convinced these experts use this as a tactic, I think they don't have an ounce of common sense and believe the shite they come up with. 

Edited by Long John Baldy

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