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Highest recorded deaths yesterday since June, almost 100% higher than same day previous week. Yes we are in a horrible situation and there is no fix all solution where nobody dies but for people to still be suggesting we just lift all/ many of the restrictions. Seriously baffling. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

So, you don't think the current pandemic has, or will, lead to a rise in mental health issues and an increase in suicides?

Do you need an "expert" or "scientist" to help you come to a decision as I could trawl the internet but I'm busy. :byebye

 I'd expect mental health issues will be on the rise, given the amount of press coverage it has been given. Does that lead directly to suicide numbers increasing?   

It might do, but only time will tell.

 A random quote with a non sourced figure adds nothing to any discussion on such an important matter, that causes so many unnecessary deaths.

 

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3 minutes ago, FTOF said:

 I'd expect mental health issues will be on the rise, given the amount of press coverage it has been given. Does that lead directly to suicide numbers increasing?   

It might do, but only time will tell.

 A random quote with a non sourced figure adds nothing to any discussion on such an important matter, that causes so many unnecessary deaths.

 

That's ok then. <_<

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55 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

You asked In which country/countries did this happen? :blink:

I also added the Samaritans provided these numbers. 

Why are you so upset, don't you like what it's saying? 

Here...................https://www.samaritans.org/scotland/about-samaritans/research-policy/suicide-facts-and-figures/

Would you like me to try to find out names? <_<

It’s only going to get worse over the next few months. We are going to see a massive rise in unemployment. As a knock on effect I expect house repossessions will rise. Many people in this country live paycheck to paycheck. Many are mortgaged up to the hilt with large credit card debts, car loans, etc. Oh and it’s only 68 days until Christmas. How many households are still paying off last year’s extravaganza?

Buts it’s ok. Our governments have got this covered. Let’s have another feckin lockdown and so the cycle continues. I despair.

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2 hours ago, bazil85 said:

Highest recorded deaths yesterday since June, almost 100% higher than same day previous week. Yes we are in a horrible situation and there is no fix all solution where nobody dies but for people to still be suggesting we just lift all/ many of the restrictions. Seriously baffling. 

 

 

Sadly ,once again ,a lot of these deaths are in care homes.

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

That's ok then. <_<

No it's not O.K.

As Yflab has pointed out the circumstances surrounding this entire situation may well lead to an increase suicides, due to financial difficulties.  Past financial crises have shown that this is likely to occur. Irresponsible quotes with unsubstantiated numbers don't help the situation. That's Daily Mail territory.

It just creates a wave of unreliable information, which is of no use to anyone.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-06/charity-warns-of-mental-illness-timebomb-as-calls-increase-by-200

There's also a school of though that, actually suffering from the effects and/or the after effects, of Covid, could also manifest suicidal thoughts, as could the loss of relatives due to Covid.

https://medium.com/@gidmk/is-covid-19-causing-suicides-f6c6760afdeb

Like everything to do with this sorry mess, there's no ideal solution to specific situations that arise.

The one thing that I've learned for myself throughout all this, is that for me listening to/reading about different points of view on specific situations and trying to adopt a moderate view, is much more healthy than continually whining and howling at the moon about a situation that affects me adversely.

Anyway, I'm away to pick the skelfs out of my arse.

 

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36 minutes ago, FTOF said:

No it's not O.K.

As Yflab has pointed out the circumstances surrounding this entire situation may well lead to an increase suicides, due to financial difficulties.  Past financial crises have shown that this is likely to occur. Irresponsible quotes with unsubstantiated numbers don't help the situation. That's Daily Mail territory.

It just creates a wave of unreliable information, which is of no use to anyone.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-06/charity-warns-of-mental-illness-timebomb-as-calls-increase-by-200

There's also a school of though that, actually suffering from the effects and/or the after effects, of Covid, could also manifest suicidal thoughts, as could the loss of relatives due to Covid.

https://medium.com/@gidmk/is-covid-19-causing-suicides-f6c6760afdeb

Like everything to do with this sorry mess, there's no ideal solution to specific situations that arise.

The one thing that I've learned for myself throughout all this, is that for me listening to/reading about different points of view on specific situations and trying to adopt a moderate view, is much more healthy than continually whining and howling at the moon about a situation that affects me adversely.

Anyway, I'm away to pick the skelfs out of my arse.

 

You'll be gone for quite some time then. 😉

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On 10/17/2020 at 4:33 PM, bazil85 said:

- Excessive death stats over the course of the pandemic. 

Regarding specifically road accidents (which is obviously tongue in cheek like I mentioned) 

- Previously released road accident statistics

- The fact correlation of covid19 deaths and road accidents in 2020 isn't national news 

But my original point wasn't JUST about road accidents. I simply used that as an extreme, though justifiable, example.  I repeat. People who died of ANYTHING who had been tested positive within the last TWENTY EIGHT days have been counted as dying OF covid. I hope this simplified explanation helps.

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15 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

But my original point wasn't JUST about road accidents. I simply used that as an extreme, though justifiable, example.  I repeat. People who died of ANYTHING who had been tested positive within the last TWENTY EIGHT days have been counted as dying OF covid. I hope this simplified explanation helps.

Nothing you’ve said above is new or wasn’t covered in my previous posts. Excessive deaths throughout 2020 categorically point to Covid19 Death stats not just being coincidental. 

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

Nothing you’ve said above is new or wasn’t covered in my previous posts. Excessive deaths throughout 2020 categorically point to Covid19 Death stats not just being coincidental. 

No. They don't.

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You posted a copy and paste of some stats from the UK. Is that what the random quote, presumably from the Samaritans, is referring to?
What is the article saying?
That suicide numbers are higher than covid deaths?
So what? We know that suicide numbers in the UK are too high for any given year.
It's hardly a surprise given that average weekly death rate from suicide in the UK was 2018 was 125. So 150 is not particularly unusual weekly figure, on the face of it.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2018registrations
The trend for suicides has been rising since 2016 also.
If, from that one quote you are trying to suggest that suicides have risen, due to Lockdown, then that evidence alone proves nothing.
 


There does seem to be a rise in suicides over the past few months, from what I’ve just read that’s three in the past week on the Glasgow to Paisley stretch of the railway line. I’d be surprised if these weren’t related to the impact of Covid.

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From this Friday the Fascists in Wales are jailing their people within their homes for two weeks.

What are they going to do after two weeks ?

We will still be in the flu season which will probably last till late Spring.

So major lockdown till then ?

Feck the Fascists.

Open up the United Kingdom.

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18 hours ago, bazil85 said:

How do you explain excessive deaths in 2020 being so high if not Covid19? 

Many more people are dying at home. While this quote is relating to England and Wales,, it's likely reflected in Scotland.

"Figures for England and Wales show that since March around 26,000 more people than usual have died at home.

Most of these deaths were not related to Covid-19.

Instead, they were caused by heart disease, lung cancer, dementia and other conditions".

And it could be disputed that many hospital deaths are also non covid related.

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2 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

Many more people are dying at home. While this quote is relating to England and Wales,, it's likely reflected in Scotland.

"Figures for England and Wales show that since March around 26,000 more people than usual have died at home.

Most of these deaths were not related to Covid-19.

Instead, they were caused by heart disease, lung cancer, dementia and other conditions".

And it could be disputed that many hospital deaths are also non covid related.

And to pre-empt Bazil's response, the reason these are excess deaths and not people who would have died in hospital anyway is because there is a reticence on the part of many ill people not to "trouble" the NHS at a time when they wrongly believe the NHS is swamped by covid cases.

In other words, these are people who would have sought and received treatment for their conditions and would likely have survived.

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1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

And to pre-empt Bazil's response, the reason these are excess deaths and not people who would have died in hospital anyway is because there is a reticence on the part of many ill people not to "trouble" the NHS at a time when they wrongly believe the NHS is swamped by covid cases.

In other words, these are people who would have sought and received treatment for their conditions and would likely have survived.

Not forgetting that there will be even more who have wrongly been added to the covid numbers simply because they had the virus within the last 28 days but didn't die FROM it.

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1 minute ago, stlucifer said:

Many more people are dying at home. While this quote is relating to England and Wales,, it's likely reflected in Scotland.

"Figures for England and Wales show that since March around 26,000 more people than usual have died at home.

Most of these deaths were not related to Covid-19.

Instead, they were caused by heart disease, lung cancer, dementia and other conditions".

And it could be disputed that many hospital deaths are also non covid related.

Red herring. The 26,000 people is excessive regarding at home deaths, of course that number is going to go up during a national lockdown where people with varying health problems are actively being cared for in a number of different ways outside of hospitals including at home care.

"Experts are not sure whether the statistics are necessarily bad – many people choose to die at home rather than in hospital"

The below graph is probably a better way to look at it for the year. Excessive deaths are very high earlier this year, Covid19 being mentioned is also very high, it's still not likely that relatively speaking a large portion of the population have actually had Covid19. What does that tell us? That excessive deaths in 2020 are not coincidental and they are not because people have been told to stay at home. If that was the case, the excessive deaths without Covid19 mentioned would be far higher March - May.

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