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2 minutes ago, LargsBud said:

It's worrying the lack of urgency people have over it in this country. Largs prom was mobbed yesterday and there were fair rides and restaurants open and all sorts going on. We are only 2 weeks behind Italy going by the stats and we still aren't in full lockdown. 

In western countries our lives are so comfortable and people still can't fathom that something like this is actually happening.

I already mentioned Arbroath was the same today.

Just to clarify, we were out in the car, not breathing/touching people.

One of us went into McDonald and followed their procedure, not within the 2 yards of any other person. 

The stores in the retail park were operating as normal, and looked as busy as any other Sunday. 

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2 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

There's a difference between seriously and looking, and almost gloating, at the worst case scenario.

WE, and it's feck all to do with you, are more than aware what this could do to the group which are more at risk.

WE don't have any immediate family in this area that are in that bracket.

While you're firing bullets unless EVERYBODY stays in, and that means no shopping, working, or any outside activities, this will spread.

The measures are to slow it down, if you stay in for a couple of weeks then go out it'll still be there. 

You are a fcukard for suggesting I, or my family, would do that, just saying. 

Best you keep that type of shite to yourself, ok? 

 

 

You answered your own question dullard. The Government want you to be responsible in trying to slow the infection down. Your actions are intentional and are gearing to do the opposite you selfish [email protected] You've got no one in YOUR family in the endangered category? Good for you.

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8 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

You answered your own question dullard. The Government want you to be responsible in trying to slow the infection down. Your actions are intentional and are gearing to do the opposite you selfish [email protected] You've got no one in YOUR family in the endangered category? Good for you.

Best you PM me, you're getting this out of context, and your ability to be a walloper is shining through.

Have you been out of the house recently?

If so, do yourself a favour and fcuk up. 

That ok? 

PS I tried to message you but you're not receiving messages. 

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It takes more than 2 weeks to start seeing the effects of a lock down. Look at what happened in China. 
The people dying today in Italy caught it more than 2 weeks ago (pre-lockdown). Some people even take up to 2 weeks before showing any symptoms. Then they spend multiple more weeks after that fighting it.  
I'm not sure how many different posters need to say this before it actually f**king sinks into folks heads.

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27 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:


 

 


I'd love you to be wrong. emoji26.png

 

Yup, me too. Don't forget my stats are very rough and ready so there's lots of scope for it to be better than I'm predicting. I don't even want to talk about what is predicted for 30th April. Prefer to take a week or two at a time.

I'm hoping the goverments actions will have some impact but with the virus taking up to 2 weeks for symptoms to show, I am pretty worried.

For those who are still not getting this, it's worth remembering that a Tory government is planning to cover 80% of all employee wages in the UK up to £2500. a month and no doubt will add help for self employed people too in the next few days. Just let that sink in. That is how bad things are looking.

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1 hour ago, W6er said:

Thanks for your reply. I noticed the P&B politics forum was just an echo chamber of virtue signallers before I even joined. Needless to say, I simply avoid it. Politics has become very tribal nowadays, and it's nonsensical and often prevents civilised discussion. People are also often frightened to consider arguments that contradict their paradigm, and therefore become very insular and myopic. It's terrible that people are so spiteful towards you, but I imagine it is a reflection of their own miserable, unfulfilled lives.

This forum is certainly interesting, and has a few 'characters'...I suspect literally in some cases.

I tried to tell them about the virtue signalling and the echo chamber stuff. You can imagine what the response was. 🤣

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28 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

I've a feeling you're not taking this seriously. 🙄

You obviously won't unless/until, (hopefully not), it directly affects you.

 

Yep. I think that's the nub of the issue. That's exactly what it will take for people to take it seriously.

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25 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Yep. I think that's the nub of the issue. That's exactly what it will take for people to take it seriously.

Its a cultural thing. As a society we've never seen anything like this before and people can't get their head around the idea that this is actually happening and the government can't protect us. 

It's tailed off in China because the memories of SARS, swine flu and other epidemics that killed many people in China all happened in living memory. So culturally they know how to deal with stuff like this and immediately go into preservation mode when it starts to take off. 

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23 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:

Hope there's an announcement regarding Self Employed folk soon. emoji106.png

I hope it's based on tax paid. I know a lot of self-employed people pay very little or no tax, taking cash in hand or fiddling their accounts. Of course that doesn't apply to all self-employed people and those that pay tax should receive generous governmental assistance. 

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33 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:

Don't like these figures emoji26.png

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281 now in the UK throws it off Italy's like for like numbers quite significantly.

Think it will stay below Italy's curve to be honest. Lombardy was the absolute epicentre of the outbreak. There is a relatively large population of Chinese expats in Bergamo and the first infected were allowed to walk about undetected for several days amongst a very old population before anything was detected. The numbers in Italy if removing Lombardy and the two bordering regions actually suggest that the wider situation isn't out of control. 

There was no such epicentre in the UK. That's why I don't think the rate will mirror or be worse than Italy. Either way, it's still going to make for some horrible numbers. 

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11 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:


 

 


When you write you know, is that folk you actually know?

 

Aye, I know quite a few self-employed folk. I also worked as a mortgage underwriter for several years and I would have to scrutinise people's accounts. Many self-employed form a Ltd company and pay themselves a salary up to the tax threshold and then pay themselves the rest as dividends on their shares, if I recall correctly. It was a long time ago, but certainly there are ways and means to ensure little tax is paid. Company expenses is another good way of doing this - your car and petrol is written off as expenses, even some of your meals, holidays, etc, etc. 

As I wrote earlier, payments should be based on tax paid or, if it's a new business on PAYE earnings over the last decade. I think it will be interesting to see just how big the black economy is, as folk who've survived off cash-in-hand jobs will perhaps now need support. What will their story be?

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1 minute ago, W6er said:

 

As I wrote earlier, payments should be based on tax paid 

That’s the only fair way to do it and it gives the honest tax payer something back.

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1 minute ago, HSS said:

That’s the only fair way to do it and it gives the honest tax payer something back.

Absolutely, and punish those who've cheated the system for years and now have their hand out, seeking other people's money.

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Here is sound and probably very effective advice about ensuring effective cleanliness in the present times.

 

"Wash your hands like you've just chopped chillies and are off for a wank"

Good work, Germans. That's how to get the message across.

 

 

From twitter

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281 now in the UK throws it off Italy's like for like numbers quite significantly.
Think it will stay below Italy's curve to be honest. Lombardy was the absolute epicentre of the outbreak. There is a relatively large population of Chinese expats in Bergamo and the first infected were allowed to walk about undetected for several days amongst a very old population before anything was detected. The numbers in Italy if removing Lombardy and the two bordering regions actually suggest that the wider situation isn't out of control. 
There was no such epicentre in the UK. That's why I don't think the rate will mirror or be worse than Italy. Either way, it's still going to make for some horrible numbers. 
And we were still allowing flights to and from northern Italy and UK until recently.

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There will be.
We've all to be shot. 
Only if you paid less than a set amount of tax apparently.

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Morale outrage today from the mob about folk being seen in parks

Just last week the government advised that mass gatherings were not a significant source for the transmission of the virus. They said they were only cancelling mass gatherings because it would take up NHS resource.

You would think that walking in the park would therefore be an even lesser risk

Evidence from China is that the most significant source of transmission is prolonged contact with people inside.

You would therefore think that people should be encouraged to get outside!

After all, it’s thought that one of the main reasons the flu is prevalent in the winter is because people spend a lot of time indoors in contact with people. It dies down in the summer because people go outside.

Japan appears to be one of the least affected countries from the virus. This despite one of the first countries to record a case. They have the oldest population on the world and a large % of smokers.

There is no lockdown in Japan. Cities are busy and their tubes are packed with folk going to work.

Over in Italy, where there is a high % of young people who still live at home, they are going out to work then being forced to stay at home for prolonged periods in confined spaces with elderly relatives.

Who has got it wrong? Japan or Italy?

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5 hours ago, Dickson said:

I hardly think so.

Have you looked into the background of that newspaper you have cited?

Come back to me when you have done so.

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5 hours ago, W6er said:

I hope it's based on tax paid. I know a lot of self-employed people pay very little or no tax, taking cash in hand or fiddling their accounts. Of course that doesn't apply to all self-employed people and those that pay tax should receive generous governmental assistance. 

It will have to be related to profit not tax paid or they'll cut off a tranche of people like single parents at the bottom end.

You shouldn't extrapolate from the behaviour of people you know personally to the entire field of self employed people.

 

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2 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:
4 hours ago, W6er said:
Aye, I know quite a few self-employed folk. I also worked as a mortgage underwriter for several years and I would have to scrutinise people's accounts. Many self-employed form a Ltd company and pay themselves a salary up to the tax threshold and then pay themselves the rest as dividends on their shares, if I recall correctly. It was a long time ago, but certainly there are ways and means to ensure little tax is paid. Company expenses is another good way of doing this - your car and petrol is written off as expenses, even some of your meals, holidays, etc, etc. 
As I wrote earlier, payments should be based on tax paid or, if it's a new business on PAYE earnings over the last decade. I think it will be interesting to see just how big the black economy is, as folk who've survived off cash-in-hand jobs will perhaps now need support. What will their story be?

IIRC, you still pay tax on the dividends (as income) but you don't pay NI on it. I could be wrong, though.

You are correct. I think he is either forgetting that or doesn't realise it. Not sure why he's bringing it up because it's not relevant to tax payments.

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