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21 hours ago, oaksoft said:

In fairness I wouldn't fancy the job of PM or FM either and have said so a few times in the past.

Governments have always been damned if they do and damned if they don't.

On covid, this is being caused because we have a nation with large numbers of absolutely risk-averse people who want to cower under the bedsheets at the slightest sign on danger, where everything is a disaster and all risk should be eliminated; and then we have another large portion of the public who see death as part and parcel of the risk of living and baulk at the entire economy being shut down because of a handful of deaths from a virus which would have burnt itself out by now had we left it alone. The first group are appalled at even a single covid death and have decided they are morally superior to everyone else and the second group are fecking livid that an entire year of life has been ruined by the first group for no good reason. It's that second group who can see the bigger picture of other avoidable deaths now occurring because of ridiculous covid restrictions and are angry that the first group won't properly acknowledge that.

There is no place for an argument of morality during this pandemic from either side.

Anyway, feck it. At least my family are no longer at risk of being affected economically by all this stupidity.

Oh and good luck to the police trying to prevent people from ignoring the "stay at home" shite and getting themselves out there as much as possible anyway. They are fighting a losing battle.

Rant over. :D

Just like Sweden did  :lol: 

I remember another wealthy man telling us we should inject bleach :lol:

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@oaksoft

"Damned if they do and damned if the don't'" you say...

Well BJ should certainly be damned for saying on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning that schools were as safe as sausages only to change his mind on Monday and say they are to be closed until mid-February at least.

As I said Lockdown3 was a nailed on certainty with the mixed messages his government were sending out and the lax Tier restrictions England went to coming out of the second one (sic) - that's what comes of pandering to gammons! 🥩

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On a personal note driving home this morning I noticed again that there's a lot more cars on the road than during Lockdown1, maybe there's less car sharing going on maybe now we're on the third one (sic) people are stretching interpretation to the limit this time around.

 

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1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:

@oaksoft

"Damned if they do and damned if the don't'" you say...

Well BJ should certainly be damned for saying on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning that schools were as safe as sausages only to change his mind on Monday and say they are to be closed until mid-February at least.

As I said Lockdown3 was a nailed on certainty with the mixed messages his government were sending out and the lax Tier restrictions England went to coming out of the second one (sic) - that's what comes of pandering to gammons! 🥩

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On a personal note driving home this morning I noticed again that there's a lot more cars on the road than during Lockdown1, maybe there's less car sharing going on maybe now we're on the third one (sic) people are stretching interpretation to the limit this time around.

 

To retain my sanity, I don't pay any attention to these politics programmes. I don't watch live TV anyway but I also don't watch youtube clips. I highly recommend it for a happier life.

We are getting close to the point where people are just not listening anymore when it comes to covid.

People are sick of being told to follow rules by those who are not following them themselves.

People can also see that the numbers of excess deaths appears to continue to be very small compared to what we normally expect at this time of year and vast swathes of us still don't know a single person who has even caught this let alone been hospitalised with it.

These are problems that joint governments cannot just "don't kill granny" away because that message just isn't hitting home anymore.

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2 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

Just like Sweden did  :lol: 

I remember another wealthy man telling us we should inject bleach :lol:

Why are you comparing with Sweden? Their rate of infections is much smaller than ours. Ours is so high that by the end of 2020, pretty much everyone who could have caught it would have done so.

Sweden's situation is irrelevant.

Also, it's a mistake to assume all wealthy people are the same. That would be like me assuming the rest of you were wasters and scumbags

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

I did ask him to evidence that bit, he declined to comment. 😂

You also spent months telling us all that comparing with Sweden was fecking stupid so you'll forgive me if I continue to write you off as an intellectual pygmy. 🤣

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14 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

To retain my sanity, I don't pay any attention to these politics programmes. I don't watch live TV anyway but I also don't watch youtube clips. I highly recommend it for a happier life.

We are getting close to the point where people are just not listening anymore when it comes to covid.

People are sick of being told to follow rules by those who are not following them themselves.

People can also see that the numbers of excess deaths appears to continue to be very small compared to what we normally expect at this time of year and vast swathes of us still don't know a single person who has even caught this let alone been hospitalised with it.

These are problems that joint governments cannot just "don't kill granny" away because that message just isn't hitting home anymore.

All I can go on is anecdotal evidence - at present one guy in my team (10 members) is off work with Covid, another two were back in October, I know 2 people (both late 50s) who have been in intensive care with the disease (both recovered) and an octogenarian uncle died due to Covid in a care home last month.

I seriously doubt the vast swathes aspect of your comment.

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54 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

To retain my sanity, I don't pay any attention to these politics programmes. I don't watch live TV anyway but I also don't watch youtube clips. I highly recommend it for a happier life.

We are getting close to the point where people are just not listening anymore when it comes to covid.

People are sick of being told to follow rules by those who are not following them themselves.

People can also see that the numbers of excess deaths appears to continue to be very small compared to what we normally expect at this time of year and vast swathes of us still don't know a single person who has even caught this let alone been hospitalised with it.

These are problems that joint governments cannot just "don't kill granny" away because that message just isn't hitting home anymore.

I know 2 who were extremely ill with it. Both in their 40s and very fit and healthy. One of them actually collapsed outside Royal Infirmary in Glasgow. Both told me it was a living hell.

Young girl opposite me also had it. 18 and aymptomatic but a number of her friends got it and she went for a test on the back of that. She was positive. 

6 members of staff in the Royal Infirmary in Glasgow have died of COVID. Not been publicized

So I think you need to take it bit more serious than what you do ???

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17 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

I know 2 who were extremely ill with it. Both in their 40s and very fit and healthy. One of them actually collapsed outside Royal Infirmary in Glasgow. Both told me it was a living hell.

Young girl opposite me also had it. 18 and aymptomatic but a number of her friends got it and she went for a test on the back of that. She was positive. 

6 members of staff in the Royal Infirmary in Glasgow have died of COVID. Not been publicized

So I think you need to take it bit more serious than what you do ???

He doesn’t have any friends, so it’s no surprise he has not heard of anyone being affected. 
 

All of these NHS staff must be lying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55540701

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

You also spent months telling us all that comparing with Sweden was fecking stupid so you'll forgive me if I continue to write you off as an intellectual pygmy. 🤣

More deflection and no I didn't.

You're all over the place, always the same when your under pressure.

Remember you said you were a leader.................................:lol:

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55 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

I know 2 who were extremely ill with it. Both in their 40s and very fit and healthy. One of them actually collapsed outside Royal Infirmary in Glasgow. Both told me it was a living hell.

Young girl opposite me also had it. 18 and aymptomatic but a number of her friends got it and she went for a test on the back of that. She was positive. 

6 members of staff in the Royal Infirmary in Glasgow have died of COVID. Not been publicized

So I think you need to take it bit more serious than what you do ???

His flippant disregard for people falling ill or dying really shows what type he is.

He thinks because he doesn't know anybody who has caught it it hardly exists.

Unsurprising he doesn't know anybody who's caught it, because he doesn't know anybody. 

PS Apologies to @Yflab, just seen you said something similar. 

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I know 2 who were extremely ill with it. Both in their 40s and very fit and healthy. One of them actually collapsed outside Royal Infirmary in Glasgow. Both told me it was a living hell.
Young girl opposite me also had it. 18 and aymptomatic but a number of her friends got it and she went for a test on the back of that. She was positive. 
6 members of staff in the Royal Infirmary in Glasgow have died of COVID. Not been publicized
So I think you need to take it bit more serious than what you do ???
Out of curiosity, if it hasn't been publicised, how do you know? My nephew works there and he hasn't mentioned it, though he did contract it himself (he works in a "covid ward"), along with a few other staff on the ward.

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Also, have you forgot, conveniently,  his love for that nice man Tommy Robinson? 
By posting his "views" by association your in the same boat IMO. 
If you don't have any problems with the amount of stuff he posts that's offensive, extremist, then you need to have a good look at yourself. 


What has he posted that offended you and hurt your poor wee feelings?
So without actually calling me a racist, I assume that’s your assertion and I have no issue with that, because you are entitled to your opinion.
In my defense, I’d say the fact that my wife is Indian Hindu and the father in-law is Muslim, I must be really bad at being a racist. 🤫

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Firstly it was a question, hence the ? However if you pushed me to describe a racist, I would say it was someone who had far right leanings politically (BNP, EDL) and was aligned in there thinking with neo nazi doctrine. I would say that David Icke and Tommy Robinson have through there past speeches aligned themselves with a racist doctrine.
 I am also surprised that you are surprised by these revelations! 


So are you saying that only white folks are/can be racist?

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1 minute ago, Russian Saint said:

 


What has he posted that offended you and hurt your poor wee feelings?
So without actually calling me a racist, I assume that’s your assertion and I have no issue with that, because you are entitled to your opinion.
In my defense, I’d say the fact that my wife is Indian Hindu and the father in-law is Muslim, I must be really bad at being a racist. 🤫

 

Nice selective reply, well done, I never noticed you missed a bit out.

His offensive posts about the virus, it doesn't exits etc, are hurting my "poor wee feeling" because I have had a close family member that died of the virus.

His continual posting of extremist views should see him binned IMO, this football forum is no place for that level of shite.

As for your personal situation, I don't give a monkeys, if you think his garbage is acceptable that's your problem, not mine. 

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4 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Nice selective reply, well done, I never noticed you missed a bit out.

His offensive posts about the virus, it doesn't exits etc, are hurting my "poor wee feeling" because I have had a close family member that died of the virus.

His continual posting of extremist views should see him binned IMO, this football forum is no place for that level of shite.

As for your personal situation, I don't give a monkeys, if you think his garbage is acceptable that's your problem, not mine. 

Give me evidence of racism.

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36 minutes ago, Slarti said:
1 hour ago, lenziebud said:
I know 2 who were extremely ill with it. Both in their 40s and very fit and healthy. One of them actually collapsed outside Royal Infirmary in Glasgow. Both told me it was a living hell.
Young girl opposite me also had it. 18 and aymptomatic but a number of her friends got it and she went for a test on the back of that. She was positive. 
6 members of staff in the Royal Infirmary in Glasgow have died of COVID. Not been publicized
So I think you need to take it bit more serious than what you do ???

Out of curiosity, if it hasn't been publicised, how do you know? My nephew works there and he hasn't mentioned it, though he did contract it himself (he works in a "covid ward"), along with a few other staff on the ward.

One of the guys who got it told me. Having said that they may not actually have contracted in the hospital but its highly likely.

Ive no reason to doubt him. sound guy

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1 hour ago, lenziebud said:

I know 2 who were extremely ill with it. Both in their 40s and very fit and healthy. One of them actually collapsed outside Royal Infirmary in Glasgow. Both told me it was a living hell.

Young girl opposite me also had it. 18 and aymptomatic but a number of her friends got it and she went for a test on the back of that. She was positive. 

6 members of staff in the Royal Infirmary in Glasgow have died of COVID. Not been publicized

So I think you need to take it bit more serious than what you do ???

Not much more than about 4500 have died from this in Scotland.

Out of 5 million.

If you don't mind, I would prefer to retain some appropriate perspective as regards the risk. Those odds are incredibly good but if I get it, I get it. If I die, I die. Life is risk.

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2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Why are you comparing with Sweden? Their rate of infections is much smaller than ours. Ours is so high that by the end of 2020, pretty much everyone who could have caught it would have done so.

Sweden's situation is irrelevant.

Also, it's a mistake to assume all wealthy people are the same. That would be like me assuming the rest of you were wasters and scumbags

Wrong again Sweden who have been in lockdown for weeks R number is higher than Scotland's thanks mainly to our own Florence Nightingale=  Queen Nicola of Caledonia. 

It's higher in the South of England because Boris has as much sense as you, by letting it run free as he didn't want to upset his wealthy friends, brexiteers, or Shull.

The price of that will be many people will lose their lives

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26 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Not much more than about 4500 have died from this in Scotland.

Out of 5 million.

If you don't mind, I would prefer to retain some appropriate perspective as regards the risk. Those odds are incredibly good but if I get it, I get it. If I die, I die. Life is risk.

Its not just dying its long covid effects and all the potential other effects that haven't been established yet. Inflammatory coditions in various part of the body including heart and brain issues. These are also relevant to folks who are asymptomatic. But hey your a big boy so carry on as you see fit

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