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58 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:

Think Sue is on his own tonight and needs some attention.... anyone got Bazil's number ?  I'm going to my kip shortly  :guinness

^^^^^ middle class leftie passing the buck onto the working class 

 

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One of the ironies of lockdown is that covid is mostly spread in people’s homes and yet I’ve spent more time in other folk’s homes in the past year than ever before as a result of lockdown.

What can I say, I’m a very popular guy.

Looking forward to my usual Sat night gathering at the in laws tomorrow night 🍺🍺🍺

Lockdown has been personally brilliant for me. Cheers 😃👍

 

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Ian Scanlon’s left peg was one of the best in the business.

Alex Miller was known as a defensive manager yet one of the first things he did was switch Scanlon to the right wing so he could inside and he had his best goalscoring run

Who remembers his 30 yarder against Celtic in the 4-2 game

McDougall, McAvennie & Scanlon. What a forward line.

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Just now, Sue Denim said:

I can’t congratulate Sevco on winning their first major tophy 

Scum

but well done on their supporters celebrations today

as much as anything else, it’s a working class reaction against the “I’m alright Jack” middle class left restrictions supported by the the selfish middle class likes of @Bud the Baker and @bazil85

I'm working class, and have been working throughout the pandemic, and yeah by and large I do support the restrictions which have saved lives.

Unlike you Cap'n I'm not a bitter fantasist quoting irrelevant statistics that I don't understand... :1eye

Oh and you could have congratulate Sevco on winning their first major "tophy" if you wanted...:1eye:1eye

You should've stuck to posting about long ball theory Cap'n, you only looked eccentric then - not a mad cunt...:1eye:1eye:1eye

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4 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

I can’t congratulate Sevco on winning their first major tophy 

Scum

but well done on their supporters celebrations today

as much as anything else, it’s a working class reaction against the “I’m alright Jack” middle class left restrictions supported by the the selfish middle class likes of @Bud the Baker and @bazil85

Covid doesn’t discriminate against people regarding their social & political stance. 
 

You have made up an agenda regarding who supports restrictions while often sharing stats & data that show why everyone should support restrictions...

Ultimately the support for suppressing this terrible virus is linked to a persons common sense not political/ social status. 

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Interesting, from a year ago............................

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
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The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives.

Sadly all of his "scared" moments seemed to be based on the above "fact", which have him dismissing the effects of the disease and suggesting that we were over reacting.

It would be interesting to see his views just now, give that Covid isn't "just flu".

 

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15 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Sadly all of his "scared" moments seemed to be based on the above "fact", which have him dismissing the effects of the disease and suggesting that we were over reacting.

It would be interesting to see his views just now, give that Covid isn't "just flu".

 

It should be remembered that, rather than just broadcasting the big numbers, and certainly not forgetting every number is a person with family and friends, the deaths per million is .18% in the big bad UK. 

No one could have seen the effects this has had. 

His overwhelming message is the effects of scaremongering and making a bad situation worse and the selfishness of people. 

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On 3/6/2021 at 1:47 AM, Sue Denim said:

Ian Scanlon’s left peg was one of the best in the business.

Alex Miller was known as a defensive manager yet one of the first things he did was switch Scanlon to the right wing so he could inside and he had his best goalscoring run

Who remembers his 30 yarder against Celtic in the 4-2 game

McDougall, McAvennie & Scanlon. What a forward line.

30 yarder behave

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3 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

It should be remembered that, rather than just broadcasting the big numbers, and certainly not forgetting every number is a person with family and friends, the deaths per million is .18% in the big bad UK. 

No one could have seen the effects this has had. 

His overwhelming message is the effects of scaremongering and making a bad situation worse and the selfishness of people. 

There's definitely an element referring to scaremongering, and TBH he simply referred to all of the things that I'd imagine most rational people worried about. 

However his use of the phrase that I quoted was quite telling and dismissive IMO. I'm sure that others will have a different interpretation.

I'd also say that for every example of genuine "scaremongering" that there will events that were dismissed as "scaremongering" which actually came to pass and were indeed as bad as initially predicted.

The main thing that did for us was our lack of preparedness for this type of event, in every aspect of every day life. e.g. The Health service, financial institutions, education etc.

We seem to have adopted, pre-pandemic, the attitude that "it'll never happen".

Also, it's not just the deaths caused by the virus though. To give one example below.

NHS may face a million long Covid patients after pandemic | Long Covid | The Guardian

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

I can’t congratulate Sevco on winning their first major tophy 

Scum

but well done on their supporters celebrations today

as much as anything else, it’s a working class reaction against the “I’m alright Jack” middle class left restrictions supported by the the selfish middle class likes of @Bud the Baker and @bazil85

As if

It was the orcs reaction We arra the peepul and we do as we fecking please

Social standing feck all to do with it

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Interesting, from a year ago............................

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

I, too, was a doctor, although only a humble GP for nearly 40 years before I retired, and was a schoolboy at the time of the Asian Flu pandemic in the late 1950s. By some freak of nature I was the only boy in my class of 36 who did not contract the disease. The Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968 occurred just after I started ii GP and I remember that our practice of 4 GPs often had over 100 requests for home visits per day. (Yes, those were the days when home visiting still happened).  I don't remember large numbers of deaths. Hospitals were not overwhelmed.

For me the striking thing about today's pandemic is the numbers of serious illness and deaths, and in view of my age and 50+ years of living with type 1 diabetes I have been taking sensible precautions as advised. I can't , however, condone the behaviour of groups like those Rangers fans who gathered outside Ibrox yesterday.

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3 minutes ago, FTOF said:

There's definitely an element referring to scaremongering, and TBH he simply referred to all of the things that I'd imagine most rational people worried about. 

However his use of the phrase that I quoted was quite telling and dismissive IMO. I'm sure that others will have a different interpretation.

I'd also say that for every example of genuine "scaremongering" that there will events that were dismissed as "scaremongering" which actually came to pass and were indeed as bad as initially predicted.

The main thing that did for us was our lack of preparedness for this type of event, in every aspect of every day life. e.g. The Health service, financial institutions, education etc.

We seem to have adopted, pre-pandemic, the attitude that "it'll never happen".

Also, it's not just the deaths caused by the virus though. To give one example below.

NHS may face a million long Covid patients after pandemic | Long Covid | The Guardian

 

Not forgetting the massive waiting lists for almost every other ailment/illness that was on the go before the pandemic.

I know someone who was told it was a 55 week waiting list for a podiatry appointment. :(

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7 minutes ago, smcc said:

I, too, was a doctor, although only a humble GP for nearly 40 years before I retired, and was a schoolboy at the time of the Asian Flu pandemic in the late 1950s. By some freak of nature I was the only boy in my class of 36 who did not contract the disease. The Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968 occurred just after I started ii GP and I remember that our practice of 4 GPs often had over 100 requests for home visits per day. (Yes, those were the days when home visiting still happened).  I don't remember large numbers of deaths. Hospitals were not overwhelmed.

For me the striking thing about today's pandemic is the numbers of serious illness and deaths, and in view of my age and 50+ years of living with type 1 diabetes I have been taking sensible precautions as advised. I can't , however, condone the behaviour of groups like those Rangers fans who gathered outside Ibrox yesterday.

This, football fans, hasn't been exclusively a Rangers issue. There's been umpteen similar situations over the last year when a team has achieved something and fans have gathered.

That's not to mention other groups who have seen it as their right to gather for various "demonstrations".

None of the above should have happened, but none are better or worse than each other. 

TBH there was no need to bring it into your, otherwise, decent post. 

 

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2 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

This, football fans, hasn't been exclusively a Rangers issue. There's been umpteen similar situations over the last year when a team has achieved something and fans have gathered.

That's not to mention other groups who have seen it as their right to gather for various "demonstrations".

None of the above should have happened, but none are better or worse than each other. 

TBH there was no need to bring it into your, otherwise, decent post. 

 

Anyone breaking the law resorts to whataboutery

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7 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

This, football fans, hasn't been exclusively a Rangers issue. There's been umpteen similar situations over the last year when a team has achieved something and fans have gathered.

That's not to mention other groups who have seen it as their right to gather for various "demonstrations".

None of the above should have happened, but none are better or worse than each other. 

TBH there was no need to bring it into your, otherwise, decent post. 

 

I did not suggest that it was exclusively a Rangers issue; the Ibrox "demonstration" just happened to be fresh in my mind.  What I said was "I can't , however, condone the behaviour of groups like those Rangers fans who gathered outside Ibrox yesterday.

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2 minutes ago, smcc said:

I did not suggest that it was exclusively a Rangers issue; the Ibrox "demonstration" just happened to be fresh in my mind.  What I said was "I can't , however, condone the behaviour of groups like those Rangers fans who gathered outside Ibrox yesterday.

I'm aware you "tip toed" around the point.

I'm also aware you, and many others, don't raise these other groups when they gather.

I'm out, there's too many threads and mentions of Rangers on this forum. :byebye

 

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42 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Not forgetting the massive waiting lists for almost every other ailment/illness that was on the go before the pandemic.

I know someone who was told it was a 55 week waiting list for a podiatry appointment. :(

Indeed.

That's something I highlighted right at the start of all this. It's certainly an area, on reflection, that I think the NHS will look at and think that they could maybe have done better. 

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