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It seems logical that if someone dies in an ICU while suffering from Covid then Covid played a large part in the death. As most of the Covid deaths are in older people it is likely that they would have other chronic diseases, hence the reason for the small number of certificates with Covid as the sole cause of death.

In addition if a young person died of kidney or respiratory failure secondary to Covid infection Covid would not appear as the sole cause.

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7 minutes ago, smcc said:

It seems logical that if someone dies in an ICU while suffering from Covid then Covid played a large part in the death. As most of the Covid deaths are in older people it is likely that they would have other chronic diseases, hence the reason for the small number of certificates with Covid as the sole cause of death.

In addition if a young person died of kidney or respiratory failure secondary to Covid infection Covid would not appear as the sole cause.

A massive assumption.

Anyhow, a never ending and subjective point.

Hopefully this tragic year is coming to an end and we can all get back to normal. 

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41 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

A massive assumption.

Anyhow, a never ending and subjective point.

Hopefully this tragic year is coming to an end and we can all get back to normal. 

If someone who tests positive for Covid dies from respiratory failure whilst on a ventilator, then I think we can trust medics in an ICU to identify Covid as the main cause of death.

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, FTOF said:

If someone who tests positive for Covid dies from respiratory failure whilst on a ventilator, then I think we can trust medics in an ICU to identify Covid as the main cause of death.

Or maybe they died from respiratory failure? 

Not straightforward, granted, so best not to speculate.

PS Just realised that's what I've done, along with most of us on this thread. :lol:

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5 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Or maybe they died from respiratory failure? 

Not straightforward, granted, so best not to speculate. 

Don't be so obtuse.

Covid deaths due to respiratory failure follow a familiar pattern of symptoms coupled with indicative internal indicators, which ICU staff are sadly all too familiar with. 

If a patient dies from respiratory failure who has tested positive for Covid and displayed these characteristic symptoms, which are specific to Covid, then it's not any other disease that causes their respiratory failure. 

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16 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Don't be so obtuse.

Covid deaths due to respiratory failure follow a familiar pattern of symptoms coupled with indicative internal indicators, which ICU staff are sadly all too familiar with. 

If a patient dies from respiratory failure who has tested positive for Covid and displayed these characteristic symptoms, which are specific to Covid, then it's not any other disease that causes their respiratory failure. 

Ok doctor, again. 

You teachers can certainly multitask. 😂

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So, tonight Johnson is to outline the plans to get us back to something resembling a normal/decent lifestyle.

A lot riding on this, I can't see any more leeway for business's that are already teetering on the brink, with the furlough system due to come to an end soon that safety net will be gone.

Israel, who have vaccinated half the population, have already resumed something close to a normal life, the UK are currently around 33% on the vaccination numbers, maybe we'll be aiming for something the same?  

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2 hours ago, faraway saint said:

So, tonight Johnson is to outline the plans to get us back to something resembling a normal/decent lifestyle.

A lot riding on this, I can't see any more leeway for business's that are already teetering on the brink, with the furlough system due to come to an end soon that safety net will be gone.

Israel, who have vaccinated half the population, have already resumed something close to a normal life, the UK are currently around 33% on the vaccination numbers, maybe we'll be aiming for something the same?  

No he isn't.

ETA:

I offer an apology if you've moved to England. I am assuming you live in Scotland.

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If you want to talk dictator you need look no further than the guy who ignored the law when procuring PPE through his mates. While I don't agree with everything her government has done, Sturgeon has more common sense  than the whole of the UK cabinet put together. I wouldn't trust BoJo and his cronies to tie a shoelace between them.

ETA:

The UK government has acted, both collectively and individually, to fill the coffers of their donors and friends to the detriment of the country. at least Sturgeon is trying to do the right thing for the people she and her party represent.

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1 hour ago, stlucifer said:

at least Sturgeon is trying to do the right thing for the people she and her party represent.

What renovate and man Hadrian Wall. :rolleyes:  In the hope of re-joining the EU.  

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1 hour ago, pod said:

What renovate and man Hadrian Wall. :rolleyes:  In the hope of re-joining the EU.  

Not, "In the hope". That's suggesting it's the only motive. Self determination is the aim. IF we re-join, which I'm sure will happen, then we will have our own voice and, more importantly, the same right to veto that, incidentally, the UK always had and very seldom used.

Although I am glad you used the term "re-join" as this is a concession from a union supporter as, for so long it's been suggested we would have to apply to "join".

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2 hours ago, pod said:

What renovate and man Hadrian Wall. :rolleyes:  In the hope of re-joining the EU.  

I like that idea - Hadrian's Wall was roughly where the current border is on the West Coast but on the East Coast it was closer to Newcastle!

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The location of Hadrian's Wall in what is now northern England, and the later Antonine Wall in modern-day Scotland

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39 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

I like that idea - Hadrian's Wall was roughly where the current border is on the West Coast but on the East Coast it was closer to Newcastle!

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The location of Hadrian's Wall in what is now northern England, and the later Antonine Wall in modern-day Scotland

Might have another fight on our hands.    Will Berwick be happy to join the nationalist band wagon. :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

Amazed to say it but BJ seems pretty much on the mark today - third time lucky.

But even a broken watch can be right twice a day.

 

ETA:

Of course he did say quite categorically that his government will follow the data, not the dates.

So tonight ladles and jellyspoons, Here are the dates.

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12 hours ago, stlucifer said:

But even a broken watch can be right twice a day.

 

ETA:

Of course he did say quite categorically that his government will follow the data, not the dates.

So tonight ladles and jellyspoons, Here are the dates.

Imagine that, an exit plan with target dates. :1eye

jellyspoons, that's hilarious. :hammer

Other restrictions will be eased at five week intervals from 12 April, which chief medical officer Chris Whitty said would give time to assess whether infections were still under control.

Anyhow, quite a well laid out plan, although I see it's too slow, according to the early media reports this morning. 

As has been mentioned throughout this mess, a no win situation for ANY government.

Let's hope wee Nicky gives us some hope later today. 

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

 

Let's hope wee Nicky gives us some hope later today. 

Going to be very similar to what Boris announced...........light at the end of the tunnel.

I got a date for my 2nd jab...........March 29th. 🙂💉

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17 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

Amazed to say it but BJ seems pretty much on the mark today - third time lucky.

Aye, The Buffoon has been a bit lucky with the potential for using the space that vaccinations offer, work wisely for us.

Sadly he doesn’t do “wise”.  :(

He only selfishly does what best suits The Buffoon.

 

Cautious reopening and investing in poor people would help make his “luck” work better.

Here is a Twitter thread offering a way to wisely use OUR luck...

 

 

 

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Undertones of some sort of normality around the same time as England is what I took from the update. more cautious in the steps from now until the summer though. 

If football is allowed back unrestricted late June/ early July, first match we should arrange is a returning Renfrewshire cup, all proceeds to the NHS. It would probably come close to selling out. 

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