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On 3/17/2021 at 10:27 PM, faraway saint said:

England to look into the amount of DNR ( Do Not Resuscitate) orders that were placed during the pandemic.

Wonder of Scotland will investigate this? 

Seems like an "easy" option in difficult circumstances.

Tragic. 

DNRs and throwing 25k folk out of hospital and into care homes will account for a huge % of the U.K. death toll.

Government interventions have only increased the number of deaths

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1 minute ago, Sue Denim said:

DNRs and throwing 25k folk out of hospital and into care homes will account for a huge % of the U.K. death toll.

Government interventions have only increased the number of deaths

Don't forget the selfish cnuts  who flaunted the rules and spread the virus while crying that the pubs were closed. 

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7 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Don't forget the selfish cnuts  who flaunted the rules and spread the virus while crying that the pubs were closed. 

Totally disagree
 

Lockdowns shielded the young and healthy and shunted the burden of the virus into the vulnerable, thereby increasing the death toll.

Most people who died had at least 1 co morbidity. Most people who died caught the virus in a healthcare setting. People with co morbidities have to attend healthcare settings.

By locking down, you are delaying herd immunity, shielding the fit and healthy and killing vulnerable people.

Pubs closing didn’t affect me. I’ve just been socialising in houses instead. 

 

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Just now, Sue Denim said:

Totally disagree
 

Lockdowns shielded the young and healthy and shunted the burden of the virus into the vulnerable, thereby increasing the death toll.

Most people who died had at least 1 co morbidity. Most people who died caught the virus in a healthcare setting. People with co morbidities have to attend healthcare settings.

By locking down, you are debating herd immunity, shielding the fit and healthy and killing vulnerable people.

 

No they didn't. 

I'm out, you're back to making shite up.

Away and drink more cheap lager. :byebye

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A year this evening the announcement was made that the UK was going into a real lockdown, not the current fake one.

No one knew what was in front of us, the massive changes to daily life, the beginning of the end of many business's, the loss of many things we, rightly, had taken for granted and the tragic deaths of many people.

To everyone who's came through this, it's something that has changed your life.

Anyone who's lost a family member, or close friend, the pain will subside but never leave you.

This thread has produced some cracking posts, some not so great, but it's a record of a historic year.

It reflects what we've all been through in some way or another, how we've reacted, changed and where we are as people and society.

It's not done yet, but it's close.

Roll on the old normal, shove this "new normal", it's not for me. 

 

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Just now, antrin said:

Sorry I wasn't about to wish you all a Happy Annivirusy!

Where the feck's that facepalm emoji when you need it?

You could at least have used this: :sorry

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On 3/21/2021 at 2:38 AM, Sue Denim said:

Lest we forget that @Bud the Baker’s “favourite” statistic was 100,000 people dying under his own favoured lockdown policies 

he ate the poor 

Did you edit a post to remove your claim that the drop in cases had nothing to do with lockdown or the vaccines?

For a start, I'd agree to an extent with lockdown. I think that has absolutely delayed herd immunity. Social distancing has done the same thing. Don't get me started on face masks. All of these measures (except the masks) have simply kicked the can down the road. Before we had vaccines, herd immunity was the only reasonable option - the alternative being to never have normality again. Now that we have working vaccines, social distancing measures can kick the can far enough down the road to allow everyone in the vulnerable categories to be vaccinated. Had we not already been in a lockdown for a year, a short "let's vaccinate the vulnerable" lockdown might have been tolerable.

BUT to claim the vaccines have not caused the current drop is pretty ridiculous. Just look at the rate of decline in cases. Seasonality is a factor obviously but there's no way it would account for that rate of drop. It's been too precipitous for it to be anything other than the vaccines. AND you need to consider that the only difference between us and the rest of Europe (many of whom are seeing large rises in cases, hospitalisations and deaths) is that we have vaccinated almost all of our vulnerable people. So, you need to explain THAT if you're going to say vaccines don't work.

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Latest NRS weekly mortality statistics out today.

65 covid deaths in the latest week despite the overall number of deaths being below normal.

As can be seen from the graph below, in the second wave, as covid deaths increase, non covid deaths decrease and as covid deaths decrease, non covid deaths increase back to normal.

It’s clear misattribution of deaths - and all there on the NRS website to see.

Why is no-one questioning this?

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On 3/23/2021 at 12:10 PM, oaksoft said:

Seasonality is a factor obviously but there's no way it would account for that rate of drop. It's been too precipitous for it to be anything other than the vaccines. 

Weekly all cause mortality in Scotland since 1974 in the graph below.

Notice the precipitous drop in deaths 

every. single. year.

 

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Latest excess death report for Scotland from the European Health Monitor.

Flu was more deadly in 2018 in Scotland than covid was this winter.

@oaksoft note the “precipitous” drop in deaths in 2018. Was that down to lockdowns and vaccines as well?

 

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Lockdowns delayed herd immunity, thereby extending the pandemic and exposing the vulnerable and elderly in healthcare settings to covid for an extended period of time.

Lockdowns have killed people and increased the death toll. 

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Lockdowns delayed herd immunity, thereby extending the pandemic and exposing the vulnerable and elderly in healthcare settings to covid for an extended period of time.
Lockdowns have killed people and increased the death toll. 
Mibbe. But, like those that claim that lockdowns saved lives, you have no evidence to back up your assertion.

Mibbe it saved lives, mibbe it cost lives, mibbe the exact same number of people would have died, mibbe it would have been the same people, mibbe it would have been totally different people, mibbe it would have been a mixture. The fact is that we will never 100% know, so you, and those that claim the opposite, can bump yer gums 'til the coos come hame, it will make no difference to anything that we know, or will ever know, for certain.

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2 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

Weekly all cause mortality in Scotland since 1974 in the graph below.

Notice the precipitous drop in deaths 

every. single. year.

 

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I was talking about the drop in covid cases, hospitalisations and deaths.

You seem to be wittering on about some other shite.

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2 hours ago, Sue Denim said:

Latest excess death report for Scotland from the European Health Monitor.

Flu was more deadly in 2018 in Scotland than covid was this winter.

@oaksoft note the “precipitous” drop in deaths in 2018. Was that down to lockdowns and vaccines as well?

 

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And now you are wittering on about flu.

Who cares about flu?

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