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38 minutes ago, Dickson said:

I think the government officially exempted building sites from the lock down - at least that's my understanding of the various exchanges I've seen by e-mail today. Around here Bellway and Persimmon are still building and Taylor Wimpy have big lorries going up and down the road nearby although their site appears to be quiet. The problem for construction companies is often the large penalties that they get charged if they don't complete on time. That is where an exemption should be put in place. If it was then construction work on non essential buildings would stop. 

People are thick as shit though. Yesterday my son - who works on one of these sites - told me that a group of subbies went on strike refusing to go out onto the job because the felt it wasn't safe and that they could catch this virus. Instead they spent four hours sitting huddled together in a Portacabin,. 🙄

Quote from BBC Newswebsite( Also heard it on Radio S cotland at lunch time.

"Housebuilding giant Taylor Wimpey is one of the few construction firms that has announced it is closing its sites to prevent the spread of Covid-19,

But Cabinet minister Michael Gove told the BBC building work could continue if it can be done safely in the open air.

Photos of workers crammed into tube trains and on crowded building sites have angered many."

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20 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
22 minutes ago, oaksoft said:
Now that is an interesting point.
Surely someone, somewhere is going to sue a company for something like this.

Pinpointing the source and linking it to the workplace will be almost impossible.

 But showing negligence wouldn't 

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44 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

BY lunchtime she made it very clear in her speech in Parliament.

Hey, I can't be arsed searching, I'll let you do that. 

PS Changed my mind....................She said construction sites should close unless they are involved in essential building ie building a hospital.

The building site behind my house have been working all day

Building more houses

My wife factory have told them to be in or face the sack once this dies down

They make plastic plumbing parts

There seems to be bending the rules to suit

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Quote from BBC Newswebsite( Also heard it on Radio S cotland at lunch time.
"Housebuilding giant Taylor Wimpey is one of the few construction firms that has announced it is closing its sites to prevent the spread of Covid-19,
But Cabinet minister Michael Gove told the BBC building work could continue if it can be done safely in the open air.
Photos of workers crammed into tube trains and on crowded building sites have angered many."
Gove went on BBC, itv and sky TV this morning and also radio 4 and managed to say something slightly different each time. That's no mean feat!

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I was setting up laptops for home workers today but had to travel to collect them. I saw guys mono blocking another garden being turfed by a four man squad, an estate agent putting up a sale sign, a hand car wash open and a window cleaner, all in a journey under 30 mins. Plenty folk around the streets of Ayr and still a decent amount of shops open. Unless fully enforced this isn't going to have the desired effect.

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I was setting up laptops for home workers today but had to travel to collect them. I saw guys mono blocking another garden being turfed by a four man squad, an estate agent putting up a sale sign, a hand car wash open and a window cleaner, all in a journey under 30 mins. Plenty folk around the streets of Ayr and still a decent amount of shops open. Unless fully enforced this isn't going to have the desired effect.


A big feature I’ve noticed about the crisis is folk who are out and about complaining about other folk being out and about

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3 hours ago, oaksoft said:

I'm hearing that a bill is going through the House of Lords for self employed people.

Looks like they are going to offer 80% of earnings averaged over the last 3 years up to about £2.5k-ish providing you are not earning at the moment. Not sure if that includes (probably not) the current financial year which is about to end in a fortnight.

I think that is perfectly fair and around what employees are going to get.

Does this include earnings made from working in employment in those three years?

I only started as self-employed at the end of September. My earnings proper to that were in normal employment. As such, HMRC currently have no figures of what I’ve earned since the change in job. Would this take in my earnings of the previous job, and likewise until I give them the earned figures post-Sep how would they get a figure on this?

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32 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Does this include earnings made from working in employment in those three years?

I only started as self-employed at the end of September. My earnings proper to that were in normal employment. As such, HMRC currently have no figures of what I’ve earned since the change in job. Would this take in my earnings of the previous job, and likewise until I give them the earned figures post-Sep how would they get a figure on this?

That's a brilliant idea, mate! I'm just opening up Excel as we speak...how long do you reckon it'll take to knock together a set of 'accounts'... :lol: :wink:

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3 minutes ago, W6er said:

That's a brilliant idea, mate! I'm just opening up Excel as we speak...how long do you reckon it'll take to knock together a set of 'accounts'... :lol: :wink:

Me as well I’ve been working as a £2000 a week gigolo, that’s going on my new accounts.

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1 hour ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Does this include earnings made from working in employment in those three years?

I only started as self-employed at the end of September. My earnings proper to that were in normal employment. As such, HMRC currently have no figures of what I’ve earned since the change in job. Would this take in my earnings of the previous job, and likewise until I give them the earned figures post-Sep how would they get a figure on this?

Don't know I'm afraid. We'll need to wait and see.

What I will say is that in 2 weeks, the end of the financial year occurs.

You could submit a set of accounts on 6th April, aligning your companies tax year with it (I have always do this - so much easier), and maybe that will count for something.

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27 minutes ago, linwood buddie said:

Me as well I’ve been working as a £2000 a week gigolo, that’s going on my new accounts.

Unfortunately once you've paid the tax, national insurance and VAT on that sort of declared income you'd be quite a bit down on any deal the government could give you. :lol:

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40 minutes ago, W6er said:

That's a brilliant idea, mate! I'm just opening up Excel as we speak...how long do you reckon it'll take to knock together a set of 'accounts'... :lol: :wink:

How would you intend to create 3 years of submitted accounts?

BTW, CS is deadly serious about his situation. He went self employed last year.

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3 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

How would you intend to create 3 years of submitted accounts?

BTW, CS is deadly serious about his situation. He went self employed last year.

It was a joke! Possibly a little bit crass, given the hardship folk are potentially facing, but no malice was intended.  

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38 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Don't know I'm afraid. We'll need to wait and see.

What I will say is that in 2 weeks, the end of the financial year occurs.

You could submit a set of accounts on 6th April, aligning your companies tax year with it (I have always do this - so much easier), and maybe that will count for something.

As it’s the first time I’ve gone down this route I’m acquiring help from a guy who’s an accountant. I know it was in the plans to meet up in the next few weeks to sort the figures out (that part itself will be easy enough as I need to take down total earnings before leasing costs anyway). As things draw nearer I will probably end up asking him about this, but there doesn’t seem to be a clear answer on the government websites for those who only became self employed in the past three years.

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6 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

As it’s the first time I’ve gone down this route I’m acquiring help from a guy who’s an accountant. I know it was in the plans to meet up in the next few weeks to sort the figures out (that part itself will be easy enough as I need to take down total earnings before leasing costs anyway). As things draw nearer I will probably end up asking him about this, but there doesn’t seem to be a clear answer on the government websites for those who only became self employed in the past three years.

Good luck, pal. I was only joking earlier. I'm sure there'll be some assistance available to you. 

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55 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

As it’s the first time I’ve gone down this route I’m acquiring help from a guy who’s an accountant. I know it was in the plans to meet up in the next few weeks to sort the figures out (that part itself will be easy enough as I need to take down total earnings before leasing costs anyway). As things draw nearer I will probably end up asking him about this, but there doesn’t seem to be a clear answer on the government websites for those who only became self employed in the past three years.

Yeah and the BBC are quoting the chancellor as saying they are struggling to work out how to avoid abuse.

This might not be an imminent thing after all.

Employees are the priority for some reason - probably because there's more of them and they are easier to deal with.

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