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8 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

As is letting anyone else ever have the last word for you, oh needy one! emoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.png

You were not mentioned.
Nobody other than you would even have thought you were being referred to.

Be glad you're not a fish! Hooked every time. emoji23.pngemoji23.pngemoji23.png

We’d have been done pages ago if I had it my way. The only difference between you & I is my admittance to enjoying the ongoing arguing. 

- directly 

- indirectly 

- a dig. 
 

I have told you many times you have to give them all up but you’re incapable of just ignoring me, same as the triggered boys that get so upset they have to use the ignore function… ignored in name only 😂 #obsession 

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We’d have been done pages ago if I had it my way. The only difference between you & I is my admittance to enjoying the ongoing arguing. 
- directly 
- indirectly 
- a dig. 
 
I have told you many times you have to give them all up but you’re incapable of just ignoring me, same as the triggered boys that get so upset they have to use the ignore function… ignored in name only #obsession 

Last word obsession.
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29 minutes ago, Slarti said:
2 hours ago, oaksoft said:
Name calling eh?
Jesus will be very upset with you. emoji3.png

No he won't, he's dead.

Are you sure? I thought I seen him this morning when drinking my coffee. He was hanging around with another strange dude.

 

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Are you sure? I thought I seen him this morning when drinking my coffee. He was hanging around with another strange dude.
 
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Yeah. He, or at least the Jewish apocalyptic preacher he is based on, would have been dumped in a mass grave along with the other crucified folk. That's why the tomb was empty - he was never in it.
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5 minutes ago, Slarti said:
41 minutes ago, truesaint said:
Are you sure? I thought I seen him this morning when drinking my coffee. He was hanging around with another strange dude.
 
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Yeah. He, or at least the Jewish apocalyptic preacher he is based on, would have been dumped in a mass grave along with the other crucified folk. That's why the tomb was empty - he was never in it.

Ok cheers for that. Will sell the "My Dog ate Trump" story to the mirror instead.

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So England have delayed coming completely out of current lockdown restrictions.

Here in Scotland it'll be interesting to see what we decide.

Cases in Scotland continue to rise, averaging 900 a day but ICU numbers, slowly rising are very low, under 20 for the whole country.

More importantly deaths have been next to nothing for almost a month. 

No doubt the cases will be the focus, bigger numbers have been the choice for the media and governments since day one. 

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57 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

So England have delayed coming completely out of current lockdown restrictions.

Here in Scotland it'll be interesting to see what we decide.

Cases in Scotland continue to rise, averaging 900 a day but ICU numbers, slowly rising are very low, under 20 for the whole country.

More importantly deaths have been next to nothing for almost a month. 

No doubt the cases will be the focus, bigger numbers have been the choice for the media and governments since day one. 

I seem to remember a certain first minister warning against setting arbitrary dates for coming out of levels.....don’t think it was popular at the time. 

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45 minutes ago, ALBIONSAINT said:

I seem to remember a certain first minister warning against setting arbitrary dates for coming out of levels.....don’t think it was popular at the time. 

You mean when she said she "hoped" Scotland would move to level zero on June 28th? :lol:

These target dates are not plucked out of thin air, based on cases and vaccination rates.

Business's need some idea when they can get back in the saddle.

 

 

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The Nuremberg Code (1947)

Permissible Medical Experiments

The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

  1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
  2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
  3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
  4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
  5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
  6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
  7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
  8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
  9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
  10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

For more information see Nuremberg Doctor's Trial, BMJ 1996;313(7070):1445-75.

 

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The Nuremberg Code (1947)

Permissible Medical Experiments

The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

  1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
  2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
  3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
  4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
  5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
  6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
  7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
  8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
  9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
  10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
For more information see Nuremberg Doctor's Trial, BMJ 1996;313(7070):1445-75.
 
Is this your excuse for having two heads?
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Just now, Slarti said:
2 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said:

The Nuremberg Code (1947)

Permissible Medical Experiments

The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

  1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
  2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
  3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
  4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
  5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
  6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
  7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
  8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
  9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
  10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
For more information see Nuremberg Doctor's Trial, BMJ 1996;313(7070):1445-75.
 

Is this your excuse for having two heads?

And no brain? 🤡

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