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1 hour ago, Sue Denim said:

Please start taking this Indian Covid Variant seriously !! my neighbour caught it and has been in a korma for a week and he's only just buried his naan.

Goodness gracious me!

When you die of the Indian strain, you’re cremated before you roti.

It acts quickly depending on how big the dosa.

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Please start taking this Indian Covid Variant seriously !! my neighbour caught it and has been in a korma for a week and he's only just buried his naan.

Agreed, if you don’t respect the virus you could end up very saari......

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11 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

The vaccines effectiveness was demonstrated by an announcement that 80% of people in hospital in Bolton area had REFUSED the jag. :hammer

So these wallopers are taking up valuable NHS time/money. 

Hell mend them, as my mother used to say.  :thumbsdown

Seriously? FFS. I despair. 

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The MP for Bolton South is blaming the slow rollout infrastructure.

Also the fact that some people would need to get 2 or 3 buses to get to where the vaccine was getting done. 

In other word, lazy f**kers wouldn't get off their arses to get on 2 or 3 buses for something that may save their lives  :shockaroony

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The MP for Bolton South is blaming the slow rollout infrastructure.
Also the fact that some people would need to get 2 or 3 buses to get to where the vaccine was getting done. 
In other word, lazy f**kers wouldn't get off their arses to get on 2 or 3 buses for something that may save their lives  :shockaroony

I’d walk miles over hot coals to get mine.

I only recently received my first vaccine and the nurse doing the jab said I should have been given it months ago given the length of time I’ve spent on life support.

The number of people I know who are much younger with no similar medical conditions and have received 2 jabs already astounds me given they are not even front line workers.

When my wife and I turned up for our first jabs in Renfrew most of my neighbours were there at the same time!

Postcode lottery. It would appear that some people have jumped the queue by saying that they are unpaid carers, etc. I’m not against that if it is a genuine case, but I feel that some people are looking to exploit loopholes.

All things being said.

We have been Covid-19 free in our immediate family. Sadly I lost three good friends to this terrible disease.

I know from bitter experience what it feels like to be fighting to breathe and being intubated to try and save my life. However even on life support, the oxygen saturation is only as good as your lungs. I had multiple organ failure and at one stage only had a third of one lung functioning. It’s a horrific way to die.

I’m lucky in that I survived but with a brain injury and COPD. I had to learn how to walk, dress, shave, etc after life support. I can write, talk, see and hear.

Others who catch this disease and survive won’t be so lucky and will have devastating consequences as a result which they and there families never recover from. The statistics on divorce after brain injury are bad.

Brain injury charity Headway suggests that anywhere between 20% and 50% of marriages end in divorce following a severe head injury.

That’s not to mention the cost of someone’s career, cost of ongoing care, drain on NHS resources and then someone having to claim from the DWP.

I was insured for “Critical Illness cover”. Once we got me back to some kind of living we tried to claim. The insurance company turned me down as I had been put into a medically induced coma which was because I had multiple organ failure.

The brain is the largest consumer of oxygen in the body at 20%. Once your oxygen saturation goes below a certain level your brain cells die.

The brain needs a continuous supply of oxygen and without it can only survive for up to six minutes unless its supply is restored.

I’m sorry for possibly repeating some of this from before, but I just want to highlight the impact of not getting a vaccine.

Had I been given anti-virals by my GP I’d still be living a normal working life rather than posting on here. So you all have him to blame.

If I ever see him again I think I might do serious damage!


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I'm a bit conflicted on all of this.

I don't know why anyone would refuse a vaccine and would encourage everyone to get this when offered.

But nobody owes anyone anything. I am very much of the opinion that it's your body and your rules. You are under no obligation whatsoever to take a vaccine if you don't want one. And there's no moral issue about leaving others vulnerable as a result. That argument is just childish nonsense and sanctimonious shite

All I would ask is that that who don't want to take the vaccine stop trying to encourage others to avoid it by spreading lies and misinformation about microchips, Bill Gates, 5G or any other bat-shit crazy nonsense. I don't think that is an unreasonable request

Should we allow those people to use the NHS if they get ill? Of course we should. We have no knowledge of why these people have refused the vaccine and we are in no position to judge their actions.

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9 minutes ago, Swiss_Saint said:

Total Bollocks in my opinion and you of course are entitled to yours.

We as part of a civilised society do have a moral obligation to protect ourselves and others in society. TB was eradicated in the UK due to vaccination as well as polio, you only get that eradication when  enough people in society become immune via surviving  disease or vaccination, vaccination being the obvious and more palatable method. If someone has a genuine reason not to get the vaccine and I mean medical reason not religious or stupidity reasons then fully agree they of course should not but they are the very people being protected by the rest of us taking the vaccine.

Too much bullshit is posted on social media nowadays and is too easily spread and sections of the f**kwit population seem to believe the bullshit contained therein.

If we are individuals that dont give a toss about others then you are right no moral reason and to argue against it would be sanctimonious but if we are a society then that comes or should come with obligations to the weaker in society. If you believe this is a childish nonsense then that says more about you than it does about others.

 

SS

Best me to it.

One thing I would add is the cost to us all in paying for these fcukwits when they end up in hospital, taking up valuable resources which, IMO, are better used for people that deserve it. 

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46 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Best me to it.

One thing I would add is the cost to us all in paying for these fcukwits when they end up in hospital, taking up valuable resources which, IMO, are better used for people that deserve it. 

Just send them the bill for their treatment if they are infected after refusing (on non-health grounds) to have the vaccination.  In a similar way to freedom of speech, having the right to choose does not mean you are immune from the consequences of your choices.

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4 hours ago, Swiss_Saint said:

Total Bollocks in my opinion and you of course are entitled to yours.

We as part of a civilised society do have a moral obligation to protect ourselves and others in society. TB was eradicated in the UK due to vaccination as well as polio, you only get that eradication when  enough people in society become immune via surviving  disease or vaccination, vaccination being the obvious and more palatable method. If someone has a genuine reason not to get the vaccine and I mean medical reason not religious or stupidity reasons then fully agree they of course should not but they are the very people being protected by the rest of us taking the vaccine.

Too much bullshit is posted on social media nowadays and is too easily spread and sections of the f**kwit population seem to believe the bullshit contained therein.

If we are individuals that dont give a toss about others then you are right no moral reason and to argue against it would be sanctimonious but if we are a society then that comes or should come with obligations to the weaker in society. If you believe this is a childish nonsense then that says more about you than it does about others.

 

SS

You're confusing "moral obligation" and "things which end up being good for society".

Those are not the same thing.

Society operates on consent, not on coercion. This isn't China.

BTW, I said nothing about not giving a toss about anyone else. Neither did I say an anything about bullshit being spread on social media.

You seem to have got a bit carried away with yourself here bud.

Instead of preaching morality and losing your rag, why not make a reasonable suggestion about how you force people to have vaccinations when they won't take one. Because unless you want to move to China, this is the reality of the situation in the UK today.

Edited by oaksoft

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3 hours ago, Slarti said:

Just send them the bill for their treatment if they are infected after refusing (on non-health grounds) to have the vaccination.  In a similar way to freedom of speech, having the right to choose does not mean you are immune from the consequences of your choices.

And there is some merit in this argument.

The threat of vaccine passports might be another although I would resist actually imposing them for real.

Edited by oaksoft

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4 hours ago, Swiss_Saint said:

Total Bollocks in my opinion and you of course are entitled to yours.

We as part of a civilised society do have a moral obligation to protect ourselves and others in society. TB was eradicated in the UK due to vaccination as well as polio, you only get that eradication when  enough people in society become immune via surviving  disease or vaccination, vaccination being the obvious and more palatable method. If someone has a genuine reason not to get the vaccine and I mean medical reason not religious or stupidity reasons then fully agree they of course should not but they are the very people being protected by the rest of us taking the vaccine.

Too much bullshit is posted on social media nowadays and is too easily spread and sections of the f**kwit population seem to believe the bullshit contained therein.

If we are individuals that dont give a toss about others then you are right no moral reason and to argue against it would be sanctimonious but if we are a society then that comes or should come with obligations to the weaker in society. If you believe this is a childish nonsense then that says more about you than it does about others.

 

SS

Oh and while I'm at it, you appear to have wrongly concluded that I think, people should avoid the vaccine.

I don't.

I think they SHOULD take it.

Because it's best for everyone.

But I'm not about to start finger-wagging and trying to force them to do anything.

Neither am I going to start yelling insults via some form of "moral compass".

That is not how you persuade anyone to do anything.

Persuasion is absolutely the only way and you don't persuade anyone to do anything by telling them they are acting in an immoral, selfish manner.

Calm doon FFS. We're actually on the same page over this.

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57 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Calm doon FFS

Don't see where I was not totally calm and rational in my  post perhaps you are projecting there.

 

Point 1 

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

You're confusing "moral obligation" and "things which end up being good for society"

Actually I am not confused, definition of moral obligation from the dictionary "A duty which one owes, and which he ought to perform, but which he is not legally bound to fulfill." at no point did I mention coercion hence why I believe it is a moral obligation.

Point 2 

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

BTW, I said nothing about not giving a toss about anyone else. Neither did I say an anything about bullshit being spread on social media

Where did I say you did not? please point it out, I did mention you thinking moral obligation as an argument being childish perhaps saying more about you but you clearly said you advised everyone to get the jab so why would you think I thought otherwise? I was also agreeing with you about social media as again I could clearly read that you were also calling out the bullshit on there and did not say anything abut you believing it.

Point 3

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

Instead of preaching morality and losing your rag

 

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

Calm doon FFS. We're actually on the same page over this.

Back to this imaginary losing my rag thing 🙄

 

Unfortunately I have no answer for the idiots not getting jabs and agree we as a country cannot force people to get them However once everyone has had the option to get one then would be the time to create a covid passport, if you separate the  f**kwits from the pub and benidorm there would be a stampede to the vax centres, hard to police for the pubs mind you.

Only thing I disagreed with you on was the moral obligation not existing everything else as you say we are agreement on and I did not try and disagree with.

SS

 

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2 hours ago, Swiss_Saint said:

Don't see where I was not totally calm and rational in my  post perhaps you are projecting there.

 

Point 1 

Actually I am not confused, definition of moral obligation from the dictionary "A duty which one owes, and which he ought to perform, but which he is not legally bound to fulfill." at no point did I mention coercion hence why I believe it is a moral obligation.

Point 2 

Where did I say you did not? please point it out, I did mention you thinking moral obligation as an argument being childish perhaps saying more about you but you clearly said you advised everyone to get the jab so why would you think I thought otherwise? I was also agreeing with you about social media as again I could clearly read that you were also calling out the bullshit on there and did not say anything abut you believing it.

Point 3

 

Back to this imaginary losing my rag thing 🙄

 

Unfortunately I have no answer for the idiots not getting jabs and agree we as a country cannot force people to get them However once everyone has had the option to get one then would be the time to create a covid passport, if you separate the  f**kwits from the pub and benidorm there would be a stampede to the vax centres, hard to police for the pubs mind you.

Only thing I disagreed with you on was the moral obligation not existing everything else as you say we are agreement on and I did not try and disagree with.

SS

 

Careful, if you don’t argue in only the ways @faraway saint & @oaksoft think are appropriate for BAWA, you’ll be labelled as the ‘problem’ 

There are rules in place for those wanting to post hundreds of times a month apparently. 

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More stories of confusion on countries that you can/should/mibbie shouldny visit. 

As much as I'm gagging for a holiday abroad, even Portugal isn't doing it for me with the stuff you have to do before, during and on return.

Patience, I'm still hopeful October might be an option. 

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More stories of confusion on countries that you can/should/mibbie shouldny visit. 
As much as I'm gagging for a holiday abroad, even Portugal isn't doing it for me with the stuff you have to do before, during and on return.
Patience, I'm still hopeful October might be an option. 


You do know that Patience isn't a real place.

https://residentalien.fandom.com/wiki/Patience

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1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

More stories of confusion on countries that you can/should/mibbie shouldny visit. 

As much as I'm gagging for a holiday abroad, even Portugal isn't doing it for me with the stuff you have to do before, during and on return.

Patience, I'm still hopeful October might be an option. 

I'm with you on this, anyone off abroad at moment, 1) going because they can, they don't have to. For me at the moment its a huge no. And 2) must be loaded to be paying for tests and isolating when coming back and not earning.

 

On seeing GMTV this morning its shocking we are still allowing flights in from 'red' countries. Never get out of this whilst still making stupid decisions.

 

Only watch it for Susana Reid😉👍👍

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15 hours ago, Swiss_Saint said:

Don't see where I was not totally calm and rational in my  post perhaps you are projecting there.

 

Point 1 

Actually I am not confused, definition of moral obligation from the dictionary "A duty which one owes, and which he ought to perform, but which he is not legally bound to fulfill." at no point did I mention coercion hence why I believe it is a moral obligation.

Point 2 

Where did I say you did not? please point it out, I did mention you thinking moral obligation as an argument being childish perhaps saying more about you but you clearly said you advised everyone to get the jab so why would you think I thought otherwise? I was also agreeing with you about social media as again I could clearly read that you were also calling out the bullshit on there and did not say anything abut you believing it.

Point 3

 

Back to this imaginary losing my rag thing 🙄

 

Unfortunately I have no answer for the idiots not getting jabs and agree we as a country cannot force people to get them However once everyone has had the option to get one then would be the time to create a covid passport, if you separate the  f**kwits from the pub and benidorm there would be a stampede to the vax centres, hard to police for the pubs mind you.

Only thing I disagreed with you on was the moral obligation not existing everything else as you say we are agreement on and I did not try and disagree with.

SS

 

Fair enough.

Thanks for clarifying.

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4 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Covid Vaccination Passports now available free from NHS Scotland if required. emoji106.png

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Providing you've not been a numpty and thrown out your old invitation letter containing your unique username.

Kept the 2nd jag letter this time round.

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

Providing you've not been a numpty and thrown out your old invitation letter containing your unique username.

Kept the 2nd jag letter this time round.

Got my unique username but don't recall a password that is being ask for. 

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2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Providing you've not been a numpty and thrown out your old invitation letter containing your unique username.

Kept the 2nd jag letter this time round.

Oops. :lol:

Update, the genius that is Mrs Faraway has kept my letter.

Registered. :thumbs2

Edited by faraway saint

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