Coronavirus

[bazil85]

Just now, faraway saint said:

As usual you have roundly put yourself back in the box.

Vague, moronic statements, making stuff up and avoiding the facts.

Enjoy yourself. 

As usual, you’ve jumped the gun. Good to get your three posts out the way early. Enjoy your rage & I’ll look forward to your response probably around 00:01 Sunday. 

[Cookie Monster]

I guess we’ll see who’s right. 

You could really word that a hell of a lot better.

I might have written something similar in the past but with age I hope I'm mellowing and being more sensitive about how I word stuff.

In conclusion, It's not always about being right, it's hoping that the figures you see are wrong.

[bazil85]

1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:

 

 

You could really word that a hell of a lot better.

I might have written something similar in the past but with age I hope I'm mellowing and being more sensitive about how I word stuff.

In conclusion, It's not always about being right, it's hoping that the figures you see are wrong.
 

 

The thing for me is, the level of ignorance & indifference shown by FS is dangerous & so counterproductive to the fight over the pandemic. We see it from people over social media & in many of our day to day lives. 
 

Challenging these views & showing how damaging they can be to underplay the pandemic isn’t necessarily a bad thing IMO.
 

But I do take the point, same as last year with deaths, I would like nothing more on the subject but to be wrong. 

[truesaint]

Covid strategy - Is it just me or are we relying too heavily on uneffective lateral flow tests?

Is is widely expected that lateral flow test reliability is between 40-60% effective at detecting covid so lets call it 50%. Seems a lot like hit or miss to me yet government policy to let people into or to work at places include a negative lateral flow test. Also as of 2 days ago fully vaccinated was being classed as 2 doses while it has been clearly indicated 2 doses are not effective against omnicron. 

According to recent studies previously having covid only provides about 19% effectiveness against reinfection. 

The government really need to establish a long term effective strategy about eradicating covid due to the above otherwise we will be living with this for many years to come unless a fool proof vaccine is established. Transmission will constanty continue if we follow governement advice and the usage of lateral flow test reliability for entrance to venues etc. 

I hope sooner rather than later that the governement evaluates its strategy to provide a solution to this. As with the flu virus vaccine which mutates each year it is updated but still only averaging about 40% effectiveness from studies since 2003. If this proves to be similar with covid then it is going to be a long road ahead with further mutations likely. 

[faraway saint]

28 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

 

 

On conclusion, It's not always about being right, it's hoping that the figures you see are wrong.
 

 

It has been with him throughout this, gloating about illness & deaths etc. 

I only engaged with him as he was spreading ludicrous "facts" about the growth in South Africa, deliberately twisting the numbers to suit his agenda, fuelling the worry plenty of people might already have, which is, surprisingly, much wider than I thought. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by faraway saint

[bazil85]

8 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

It has been with him throughout this, gloating about illness & deaths etc. 

I only engaged with him as he was spreading ludicrous "facts" about the growth in South Africa, deliberately twisting the numbers to suit his agenda, fuelling the worry plenty of people might already have, which is, surprisingly, much wider than I thought. 

Don’t quote me it doesn’t count eh…

Not once, zero times, never. The absolute irony in your post regarding what you’re claiming.  

 

[Hendo]

15 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

It has been with him throughout this, gloating about illness & deaths etc. 

 

Pot and kettle, you just said you wouldn't shed any tears for those with covid in hospital who were unvaccinated.

 

 

[faraway saint]

Just now, Hendo said:

Pot and kettle, you just said you wouldn't shed any tears for those with covid in hospital who were unvaccinated.

Why should I? 

I also said I would wish any illness or worse on anybody.

Not entirely the same but you keep at it, and stay safe. 

[Cookie Monster]

Covid strategy - Is it just me or are we relying too heavily on uneffective lateral flow tests?
Is is widely expected that lateral flow test reliability is between 40-60% effective at detecting covid so lets call it 50%. Seems a lot like hit or miss to me yet government policy to let people into or to work at places include a negative lateral flow test. Also as of 2 days ago fully vaccinated was being classed as 2 doses while it has been clearly indicated 2 doses are not effective against omnicron. 
According to recent studies previously having covid only provides about 19% effectiveness against reinfection. 
The government really need to establish a long term effective strategy about eradicating covid due to the above otherwise we will be living with this for many years to come unless a fool proof vaccine is established. Transmission will constanty continue if we follow governement advice and the usage of lateral flow test reliability for entrance to venues etc. 
I hope sooner rather than later that the governement evaluates its strategy to provide a solution to this. As with the flu virus vaccine which mutates each year it is updated but still only averaging about 40% effectiveness from studies since 2003. If this proves to be similar with covid then it is going to be a long road ahead with further mutations likely. 

There is a few problems with LFT's.

The obvious one is, are they getting done correct.

Another, folk using them fraudulently. As they just put a few droplets of the solution onto the test strip without using the swab.

The vaccination is helping reducing the numbers of folk getting ill therefore less are getting hospitalised. In doing that it keeps the NHS fully operational most of the time.

I know I've heard and read numerous facts about the vaccines and they all said the effectiveness reduces over time, that's why getting the 3rd dose or the booster is so important in saving lives, wither it be your own or someone else's.

[faraway saint]

Meanwhile in South Africa..........................wonder how simple Baz will spin this? 

Hospital admissions have plunged in South Africa as evidence continues to suggest that Omicron causes less severe illness than previous variants.

Across all age groups, only 1.7 per cent of identified Covid-19 cases were admitted to hospital in the second week of infections during the current fourth wave.

This compares with 19 per cent in the same week of the third Delta-driven wave, South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla said at a press conference.

Michelle Groome, head of health surveillance for the NICD, said: “We are really seeing very small increases in the number of deaths”.

More than 90 per cent of hospital deaths were among the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, News24 reported.

[Slarti]

It has been with him throughout this, gloating about illness & deaths etc. 
I only engaged with him as he was spreading ludicrous "facts" about the growth in South Africa, deliberately twisting the numbers to suit his agenda, fuelling the worry plenty of people might already have, which is, surprisingly, much wider than I thought. 

Is he still using his own definitions for words?

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[faraway saint]

Aw naw, no mair contradictory evidence................................just when I was looking forward to another lockdown, adding to people's depression, finally destroying business's and generally seeing the life drained out of the public.

 

Britain's omicron wave may be no worse than a flu pandemic, an expert has said, as the first major study into the new variant suggests it is less severe than delta.

The first real-world study looking at 78,000 omicron cases in South Africa found the risk of hospitalisation is 29 per cent lower compared with the Wuhan strain, and 23 per cent lower than delta, with vaccines holding up well.

[faraway saint]

Just now, Slarti said:

Is he still using his own definitions for words?

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Well, he rambles so much, and continues to make stuff up, totally changing the meaning of posts and generally shooting off at obscure angles, deflecting critical issues and sticking to his tedious train of thought. 

[Slarti]

Well, he rambles so much, and continues to make stuff up, totally changing the meaning of posts and generally shooting off at obscure angles, deflecting critical issues and sticking to his tedious train of thought. 

Enough about Cookie Monster, what about Baz? [emoji16]

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[faraway saint]

1 minute ago, Slarti said:

Enough about Cookie Monster, what about Baz?

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I meant you ya dafty. 

[Cookie Monster]

Enough about Cookie Monster, what about Baz? [emoji16]

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Oi, I resemble that remark. [emoji867]

Also we know you've got a new phone. Ditch the signature.

[truesaint]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

 

 

There is a few problems with LFT's.

The obvious one is, are they getting done correct.

Another, folk using them fraudulently. As they just put a few droplets of the solution onto the test strip without using the swab.

The vaccination is helping reducing the numbers of folk getting ill therefore less are getting hospitalised. In doing that it keeps the NHS fully operational most of the time.

I know I've heard and read numerous facts about the vaccines and they all said the effectiveness reduces over time, that's why getting the 3rd dose or the booster is so important in saving lives, wither it be your own or someone else's.

 

Agree with above but main point being are LFT's causing more harm than good. Does the possible false negative ecourage people to interact and socialise with a higher transmitting variant of the virus than it does by allowing individuals who may be highlighted as a postive case going to get a PCR test. My thoughts are at this stage and with Omnicron it probably does. The governnment seriously needs to look at the acceptance of LFT's results and only having 2 doses of vaccine and cert as an acceptable entry pass.

Covid due to the Global makeup will never be eradicated by vaccines due to the economy, global transport, third world underdeveloped countries and lack of vaccination or uptake of vaccination. Like it or not the only way there will be an erdication of covid is Nano rebots. I am not a conspiracy theorist or wish this was the case but current research inlcudes nano traps which isolate specific cells for 48 hours to let the immune system to assist protecting/killing the cell but it is only a matter of time before the current testing of nano rebots in animals get passed (albeit in about 5 years) to be allowed for human testing after the world's population and economy are so fragile that there is litlle else they can do. Until someone in government or world leaders as a conscensus confirm that covid is here to stay until eradication is possible (which is expensive and has to be done under certain conditions) which a lot of people won't accept we won't get much further forward. 

I expect that the global landscape will look quite different by 2030 compared to today due to a variety of factors such as wealth, population and understanding to highlight just a few. That gif of the zombie with 28 jabs although a but over the top is actually probably going to be the case for the forseeable until eradication of the virus and other medical conditions is possible by nano technology.

At some point which will be in the not so distant future the government and other world leaders will have to face the face that they will have to communicate that the vaccines are just limiting serious illness to a certain degree and individuals have to make their own choice as to what risk to take. It is a cruel but neccessary thing to do until an acceptance that nano technology looks like the only way out of this longer term. The conspiracy theorists will go mad and the world will have additonal issues to deal with but realistrically it looks like the only option imo and not one that I am too keen on. Whether covid was man made or natural the future will change dramtically because of it and it will be up to each individual to come to their own conclusion and decision as what to do next.

[bazil85]

1 hour ago, faraway saint said:

Meanwhile in South Africa..........................wonder how simple Baz will spin this? 

Hospital admissions have plunged in South Africa as evidence continues to suggest that Omicron causes less severe illness than previous variants.

Across all age groups, only 1.7 per cent of identified Covid-19 cases were admitted to hospital in the second week of infections during the current fourth wave.

This compares with 19 per cent in the same week of the third Delta-driven wave, South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla said at a press conference.

Michelle Groome, head of health surveillance for the NICD, said: “We are really seeing very small increases in the number of deaths”.

More than 90 per cent of hospital deaths were among the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, News24 reported.

dOeS nOt CoUnT dID nOt QuOtE bAz 😂
 

This variant being less severe does not mean there is nothing to worry about. More cases for a less severe virus will still result in hospitalisations & deaths, exactly what we are seeing in South Africa & what we will likely see in the UK in the coming weeks. 
 

You had a nightmare earlier claiming I was saying the vaccine won’t make a difference this year, of course it will but if we don’t control this better, it will STILL lead to increases in serious illness & deaths. 
 

See Slarti’s obsession has gotten the best of him again. How hard is it to just ignore someone? 😂

Edited December 18, 2021 by bazil85

[Doakes]

15 minutes ago, truesaint said:

Agree with above but main point being are LFT's causing more harm than good. Does the possible false negative ecourage people to interact and socialise with a higher transmitting variant of the virus than it does by allowing individuals who may be highlighted as a postive case going to get a PCR test. My thoughts are at this stage and with Omnicron it probably does. The governnment seriously needs to look at the acceptance of LFT's results and only having 2 doses of vaccine and cert as an acceptable entry pass.

Covid due to the Global makeup will never be eradicated by vaccines due to the economy, global transport, third world underdeveloped countries and lack of vaccination or uptake of vaccination. Like it or not the only way there will be an erdication of covid is Nano rebots. I am not a conspiracy theorist or wish this was the case but current research inlcudes nano traps which isolate specific cells for 48 hours to let the immune system to assist protecting/killing the cell but it is only a matter of time before the current testing of nano rebots in animals get passed (albeit in about 5 years) to be allowed for human testing after the world's population and economy are so fragile that there is litlle else they can do. Until someone in government or world leaders as a conscensus confirm that covid is here to stay until eradication is possible (which is expensive and has to be done under certain conditions) which a lot of people won't accept we won't get much further forward. 

I expect that the global landscape will look quite different by 2030 compared to today due to a variety of factors such as wealth, population and understanding to highlight just a few. That gif of the zombie with 28 jabs although a but over the top is actually probably going to be the case for the forseeable until eradication of the virus and other medical conditions is possible by nano technology.

At some point which will be in the not so distant future the government and other world leaders will have to face the face that they will have to communicate that the vaccines are just limiting serious illness to a certain degree and individuals have to make their own choice as to what risk to take. It is a cruel but neccessary thing to do until an acceptance that nano technology looks like the only way out of this longer term. The conspiracy theorists will go mad and the world will have additonal issues to deal with but realistrically it looks like the only option imo and not one that I am too keen on. Whether covid was man made or natural the future will change dramtically because of it and it will be up to each individual to come to their own conclusion and decision as what to do next.

Any theory could be correct or incorrect

The fact that many scientists and doctors disagree about our current direction and is a good thing, imo. That's one of the great things about democracy.

I'd be more worried if there were not conspiracy theories. If an "official narritive" cannot be questioned it's entering into a weird territory 

[faraway saint]

Willie Miller just reiterating the unnecessary language used by government, tsunami & tidal wave, on scaring the public. 

I've always liked him. @HSS 😉

[FTOF]

Covid-19: Cabinet ministers briefed on latest UK data as Omicron surges - BBC News

What we're seeing is a definite increase in Covid patients in some areas, but not all.

The number of cases in London is going through the roof, and there seems to be an increase in hospitalised patients there.

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Latest government data has shown there are 1,534 Covid patients in London hospitals - up 28.6% on last week - with around 200 new admissions per day.

We'll need to wait and see is if London's trend is repeated elsewhere.

From my experience, with people I know who have contracted Covid in the past week, which is considerably higher than when Delta arrived, about 50% seem relatively unaffected and 50% are confined to bed and would be unable to work, even if they weren't self-isolating.

If that split of fit/unfit for work, albeit from a relatively small sample size, is consistent with the rest of the UK, and given the high number of infections, then there are a lot of businesses/public services which are going to be significantly affected, if they're not already, due to staff absence.

[FTOF]

18 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Willie Miller just reiterating the unnecessary language used by government, tsunami & tidal wave, on scaring the public. 

I've always liked him. @HSS 😉

I was terrified.

[faraway saint]

24 minutes ago, FTOF said:

I was terrified.

No surprise, teachers. 🙄

[waldorf34]

28 minutes ago, FTOF said:

Covid-19: Cabinet ministers briefed on latest UK data as Omicron surges - BBC News

What we're seeing is a definite increase in Covid patients in some areas, but not all.

The number of cases in London is going through the roof, and there seems to be an increase in hospitalised patients there.

We'll need to wait and see is if London's trend is repeated elsewhere.

From my experience, with people I know who have contracted Covid in the past week, which is considerably higher than when Delta arrived, about 50% seem relatively unaffected and 50% are confined to bed and would be unable to work, even if they weren't self-isolating.

If that split of fit/unfit for work, albeit from a relatively small sample size, is consistent with the rest of the UK, and given the high number of infections, then there are a lot of businesses/public services which are going to be significantly affected, if they're not already, due to staff absence.

5300 cases in  Scotland  today but again as days before over 65s , 95%of whom have had  3 doses represent  only 3%  of the cases.

And once again numbers in hospital  are down ,below 500 .

[BuddieinEK]

On other news and on a lighter note... an update from a charity trying to carry on providing a service as best they can, supporting people with dementia... ...

COVID UPDATE

Following recent developments and the Government statement yesterday, I would like to take the opportunity to update you on our own stance within Pine and the steps we are taking to keep people safe.

When we resumed our daycare in June, it was following a very lengthy and detailed risk assessment and a lot of precautionary work.

Furniture was removed, screens installed, sanitisers installed, staff training updated, PPE supplies and use increased, cleaning procedures enhanced, bus seating revised, bus cleaning enhanced and much more.

Staff committed to twice weekly Lateral Flow Tests and all were vaccinated, later to be double vaccinated.

We restarted with 3 service users then increased it to 4 when we felt it safe to do so.

In August, when restrictions were lifted, we could have increased to our capacity of 6 service users, but that would have meant no social distancing within the centre; a measure we were not comfortable with.

We could have increased from 5 to 6 days, but that would require staff to return to a rota rather than working in bubbles.

Since June we have had two isolated incidents of someone testing positive.

Neither contracted it in our centre, and tellingly, nobody else at Pine contracted it from them.

Not only was that a relief and reassuring, but it pointed towards the measures we have in place to protect everyone being effective!

The latest announcements have completely vindicated our decision to rebuild our service provision at a speed we are comfortable with rather than simply what is permitted.

We have acted on the side of caution and will continue to do so.

To give you an example of the steps we are taking behind the scenes, our good friends at Darcy's Equine Centre invited us to their place this Friday for a Christmas Party.

I realise the words "Christmas Party" are currently a political hot potato!

We decided not to have our annual party this year. We decided this long ago as we felt having everyone in our Group together in one room was a risk not worth taking.

Instead, we will have 5 daily Christmas lunches in the centre next week, keeping people in their small bubbles.

I digress. Back to Friday at Darcy's!

As far as we are concerned, it is NOT a "party", but a carefully planned activity.

A full risk assessment has been carried out.

Families of the six people attending have been contacted.

All Darcy's staff and volunteers will take an LFT test on the Friday morning.

Our own staff will take an additional LFT test on the Friday morning.

Seating on the bus has been planned and allocated carefully.

A seating plan for the event itself has been made and Darcy's have a copy. Seating is distanced for all Service Users.

Name cards will be on the table.

All staff will wear masks and use PPE as appropriate.

Hand sanitizer will be used regularly.

Essentially, this will be a well organised, planned and executed event with military precision!

Staff know their responsibilities ahead of the event and have a copy of the risk assessment!

I realise this is a lengthy update, but in a week of uncertainty, panic and disappointment, I wanted to offer reassurance.

We will continue to put safety first!

So if you read about us being at a "party", please don't equate that to Westminster goings on!

We are not that irresponsible! [emoji850][emoji12][emoji41]

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