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Could you tell us the size in millimetres that you claim are 500,000 bigger?

If my calculations and the information I've read is correct, the smallest particle is 50nm, so by multiplying it by 500,000 the hole size in the masks are 25,000,000nm that is 25mm.

I may though be wrong in my calculation.



I was wrong, I calculated the minimum size of the virus particle. Not the minimum size of the particle that can carry the virus particle.

You should definitely send an email to that guy.
I'm sure he'll be impressed by your intellectual credentials for making such a definitive statement.
By the way, the holes in these masks are 500,000 bigger than the particle the virus travels on.
That's like expecting to catch a fish with a net containing holes the size of New Zealand.
If you genuinely think your mask is catching any of those particles then that's your prerogative.


The minimum size is.........

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So 500,000 times 4.7microns is 500mm/50cm/20"

Surely that can't be correct?
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19 minutes ago, Doakes said:

I've heard of people splitting hairs in a conversation, but you lot are taking the piss by splitting molecules :lol: 

As long as we ain't splitting atoms, you'll be fine. :D

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2 minutes ago, RichardBuddie said:


It’s like a wee holiday getting a break from him!!

Does this mean we can compliment women on their appearance with this lovely jubbly weather without getting scolded?

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Does this mean we can compliment women on their appearance with this lovely jubbly weather without getting scolded?

Indeed - I was in the city centre (Glasgow) on Saturday - imagine the melt down had I commented on Saturday night about all the talent!!
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9 minutes ago, RichardBuddie said:


Indeed - I was in the city centre (Glasgow) on Saturday - imagine the melt down had I commented on Saturday night about all the talent!!

Ditto with me in Edinburgh over the weekend, it was a like a Miss World competition in the outdoor bars I was sitting in. :zipit

 

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I heard on the radio on the way home that an astonishing 55% of under 30's in Dundee have failed to turn up for their vaccination.

Other "major cities" are around 40%. 

Have I mentioned these "people" are fcukwits? 

If I needed any vindication making a polite request to the young chap on the train on Friday, this is it. 

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20 hours ago, faraway saint said:

I heard on the radio on the way home that an astonishing 55% of under 30's in Dundee have failed to turn up for their vaccination.

Other "major cities" are around 40%. 

Have I mentioned these "people" are fcukwits? 

If I needed any vindication making a polite request to the young chap on the train on Friday, this is it. 

How many of that 40-55% asked for the appointment? The appointments are dished out by the NHS

A high percentage of people failing to turn up for an appointment that they requested would be a different story

The rate of people who have been double jabbed but testing positive is increasing

If you are under 30 and unvaccinated, you have a 99.7%+ rate of survival

I'm not anti-vaccine, but some people will still be weighing it up. It's a medical decision, that doesn't make them a fcukwit :) 

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7 minutes ago, Doakes said:

How many of that 40-55% asked for the appointment? The appointments are dished out by the NHS

A high percentage of people failing to turn up for an appointment that they requested would be a different story

The rate of people who have been double jabbed but testing positive is increasing

If you are under 30 and unvaccinated, you have a 99.7%+ rate of survival

I'm not anti-vaccine, but some people will still be weighing it up. It's a medical decision, that doesn't make them a fcukwit :) 

A brammer of an attempt at an excuse. 😆

Amazingly all other age groups have managed to attend. 

While these people who are weighing up this difficult decision that could catch it and  get very ill or worse, that's not forgetting easily spreading it to others. I'm alright Jack? 🙄

Fcukwits. 

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Just now, faraway saint said:

A brammer of an attempt at an excuse. 😆

Amazingly all other age groups have managed to attend. 

While these people who are weighing up this difficult decision that could catch it and  get very ill or worse, that's not forgetting easily spreading it to others. 

Fcukwits. 

People in older age categories are more at risk - and to be blunt, have less time left on the planet (& less time for future complications to arise)

A lot of young people won't want to take the vaccine - the government know that - which is why we keep seeing small glimpses of a return to normality, before a hasty backtrack to justifying more and more restrictions and control measures

Don't get me wrong, I do think that governments will attempt to make it compulsory further down the line, but I strongly disagree with mandatory vaccinations. It's a bit like giving everyone in the world a peanut and forcing them to eat it. We know that many people will be fine with eating it, but some will react badly to it.

For under 30's, the risk doesn't match the reward based on the current figures. I question the principles of anyone who believes in medical decisions being made compulsory

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23 minutes ago, Doakes said:

If you are under 30 and unvaccinated, you have a 99.7%+ rate of survival

What a fecking attitude that is, how many of those under 30 have parents and grandparents who could be put at risk by them not having the vaccine? Yes being double jabbed lessens the impact of covid on those older than 30 however it does not remove the risk especially when you add in other complications like those with COPD or asthma etc

You are getting the vaccine as much for others as for yourself just like mask wearing, it doesnt really protect you but protects others.

Unfortunately many in the UK and worldwide only think of themselves and not society 

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3 minutes ago, Swiss_Saint said:

What a fecking attitude that is, how many of those under 30 have parents and grandparents who could be put at risk by them not having the vaccine? Yes being double jabbed lessens the impact of covid on those older than 30 however it does not remove the risk especially when you add in other complications like those with COPD or asthma etc

You are getting the vaccine as much for others as for yourself just like mask wearing, it doesnt really protect you but protects others.

Unfortunately many in the UK and worldwide only think of themselves and not society 

To Quote Boris

 

"If they are over 80 who cares "

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4 minutes ago, Swiss_Saint said:

What a fecking attitude that is, how many of those under 30 have parents and grandparents who could be put at risk by them not having the vaccine? Yes being double jabbed lessens the impact of covid on those older than 30 however it does not remove the risk especially when you add in other complications like those with COPD or asthma etc

You are getting the vaccine as much for others as for yourself just like mask wearing, it doesnt really protect you but protects others.

Unfortunately many in the UK and worldwide only think of themselves and not society 

While the vaccine is still at the experimental stage, it's a huge risk to vaccinate an entire population. 

Flipping it round, what happens if we find out 10 years from now that fertility rates have decreased by 90%? 

While the vaccine is relatively untested - and hasn't been around for long - it's important to leave a section of the population (preferably the ones youngest and least at risk) - unvaccinated - unless of course they are in a vulnerable category.

The inventor of the MRNA technology being used, was saying exactly this on his Twitter feed the other day

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People in older age categories are more at risk - and to be blunt, have less time left on the planet (& less time for future complications to arise)
A lot of young people won't want to take the vaccine - the government know that - which is why we keep seeing small glimpses of a return to normality, before a hasty backtrack to justifying more and more restrictions and control measures
Don't get me wrong, I do think that governments will attempt to make it compulsory further down the line, but I strongly disagree with mandatory vaccinations. It's a bit like giving everyone in the world a peanut and forcing them to eat it. We know that many people will be fine with eating it, but some will react badly to it.
For under 30's, the risk doesn't match the reward based on the current figures. I question the principles of anyone who believes in medical decisions being made compulsory

But it's not solely a personal medical decision, it's also a societal decision. It's not on a par with, say, refusing cancer treatment as that isn't infectious and, for a similar reason, your peanut "analogy" isn't really analogous.

As for older people, using your logic they shouldn't be caring about the environment, caring for others etc, etc as it won't affect them as they'll soon be gone.

We also don't yet understand the effects of long covid so that could be a ticking time bomb for those younger people who recover from the initial infection. Will the vaccine cause "things" later in life? Who knows? But unless you are willing to live in lockdown for 10/20/30 years, we don't have the time to find out, all we can do is deal with the here and now.

I don't think it should be compulsory but those who refuse it shouldn't expect to have the same "freedoms" as everyone else as they are a potential health risk to others, especially to those who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons.

In short, this is not really just a personal medical decision.
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36 minutes ago, Doakes said:

While the vaccine is relatively untested - and hasn't been around for long - it's important to leave a section of the population (preferably the ones youngest and least at risk) - unvaccinated

Yes it's a new vaccine but it's not new process this is one of the biggest bullshits being spread by anti vaxxers (not saying you are one) they were able to roll out the vaccine more quickly as they relied on proven techniques used on other viruses. It's like the whole 5g tinfoil hat argument it's new so it must be dangerous, nope it's just applying proven technology and advancing it

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40 minutes ago, Slarti said:


But it's not solely a personal medical decision, it's also a societal decision. It's not on a par with, say, refusing cancer treatment as that isn't infectious and, for a similar reason, your peanut "analogy" isn't really analogous.

As for older people, using your logic they shouldn't be caring about the environment, caring for others etc, etc as it won't affect them as they'll soon be gone.

We also don't yet understand the effects of long covid so that could be a ticking time bomb for those younger people who recover from the initial infection. Will the vaccine cause "things" later in life? Who knows? But unless you are willing to live in lockdown for 10/20/30 years, we don't have the time to find out, all we can do is deal with the here and now.

I don't think it should be compulsory but those who refuse it shouldn't expect to have the same "freedoms" as everyone else as they are a potential health risk to others, especially to those who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons.

In short, this is not really just a personal medical decision.

The real question here is whether the government has the right to forcibly stick a needle into someone's arm and inject them? 

Regarding the line in bold. How far are we prepared to go?

What happens if someone declines the injection until they are blue in the face. Should they be kept away from society? Moved into prison camps? 

Right now it's all quite cuddly and the government are trying to tempt people into taking the jab - but that approach only works for so long. Some people will outright refuse the vaccine - regardless of incentive or punishment

Moving towards some black mirror type shit

No one will ever convince me that a government should be given that power, over individual choice. As I have said - I'm not against vaccination in general, but while the MRNA technology is still at experimental stage, people should have the right to say no.

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