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3 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Nice story.

Try to take things to an unlikely extreme to attempt to prove/disprove a point, Oaky does it on a regular basis.

It’s literally how the technology works. If you imagine antivirus software on a PC, you download updates to protect your PC against the latest viruses. 

MRNA technology is designed to allow booster jabs, to protect against the latest variant. My understanding is that in layman’s terms, it gives instructions for your cells to make a spike protein, capable of fighting the latest variant 

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So should Bob lose his job if he doesn’t accept the latest booster? Think of it as a moral dilemma… 

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It's quite ironic that we're discussing the younger generation refusing "untested" vaccinations, because of potential health concerns or otherwise. Seems there is a sizeable proportion of them choosing to receive injections all sorts of dodgy chemicals, including one of the most toxic substances known in nature, into their bodies.

BBC News - Non-surgical beauty treatment industry like Wild West - MPs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57895186

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1 hour ago, FTOF said:

It's quite ironic that we're discussing the younger generation refusing "untested" vaccinations, because of potential health concerns or otherwise. Seems there is a sizeable proportion of them choosing to receive injections all sorts of dodgy chemicals, including one of the most toxic substances known in nature, into their bodies.

BBC News - Non-surgical beauty treatment industry like Wild West - MPs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57895186
 

Indeed, I'd wager this decision not to have the vaccination is nothing to do with the science or some vague moral stance, much more likely a "can't be arsed as I'll PROBABLY be ok anyway" reason. 

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The amount of people having to isolate, unnecessarily IMO, is causing havoc in many business's.

There has to be a faster response to the changing situation, surely if people have been double vaccinated and can prove a negative test they shouldn't need to isolate?

Starting to see the now famous pictures of empty shelves in supermarkets, you know who will be glad he bought 3,000 toilet rolls last March. 

 

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The amount of people having to isolate, unnecessarily IMO, is causing havoc in many business's.
There has to be a faster response to the changing situation, surely if people have been double vaccinated and can prove a negative test they shouldn't need to isolate?
Starting to see the now famous pictures of empty shelves in supermarkets, you know who will be glad he bought 3,000 toilet rolls last March. 
 
He'd used them by April.
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13 hours ago, FTOF said:

It's quite ironic that we're discussing the younger generation refusing "untested" vaccinations, because of potential health concerns or otherwise. Seems there is a sizeable proportion of them choosing to receive injections all sorts of dodgy chemicals, including one of the most toxic substances known in nature, into their bodies.

BBC News - Non-surgical beauty treatment industry like Wild West - MPs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57895186
 

Saw an interesting survey done the other day that said 34% of people in the UK trust the BBC . .

 

 

 

 

 

. .of course , if we extrapolate that result , it would mean that 66% of the UK population do not trust the BBC . .

 

 

. .then again if we extrapolate that result a wee bit more , two thirds of the UK population think the national broadcaster are lying baisturts. .

 

We also learned not that long ago what the BBC condone happening to young people , on their very premises even.

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10 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said:

Saw an interesting survey done the other day that said 34% of people in the UK trust the BBC . .

 

 

 

 

 

. .of course , if we extrapolate that result , it would mean that 66% of the UK population do not trust the BBC . .

 

 

. .then again if we extrapolate that result a wee bit more , two thirds of the UK population think the national broadcaster are lying baisturts. .

 

We also learned not that long ago what the BBC condone happening to young people , on their very premises even.

FFS, you're lower than a snakes belly. :thumbsdown

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24 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said:

Saw an interesting survey done the other day that said 34% of people in the UK trust the BBC . .

Did ye aye?

Was that before of after the unicorn flew by your window?

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Saw an interesting survey done the other day that said 34% of people in the UK trust the BBC . .
 
 
 
 
 
. .of course , if we extrapolate that result , it would mean that 66% of the UK population do not trust the BBC . .
 
 
. .then again if we extrapolate that result a wee bit more , two thirds of the UK population think the national broadcaster are lying baisturts. .
 
We also learned not that long ago what the BBC condone happening to young people , on their very premises even.
From just the info you provided, it really doesn't automatically mean that 66% don't trust it though, does it? Was there a "don't know" option, for example? Or was there an option to not answer the question? It really depends on what the actual question was, the choice of answers and whether an answer was compulsory, among other things.
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10 hours ago, saintnextlifetime said:

Saw an interesting survey done the other day that said 34% of people in the UK trust the BBC . .

 

 

 

 

 

. .of course , if we extrapolate that result , it would mean that 66% of the UK population do not trust the BBC . .

 

 

. .then again if we extrapolate that result a wee bit more , two thirds of the UK population think the national broadcaster are lying baisturts. .

 

We also learned not that long ago what the BBC condone happening to young people , on their very premises even.

Were you on BBC breakfast earlier?

They interviewed an under 30 year old who, and he was 100% serious, said he wouldn't take the vaccination as it could track your movements and see your bank account. 😆😆😆

A serious contender for being sectioned I would suggest.

There was also a young female with asthma who wouldn't take the vaccination as she'd heard it could be bad for her condition. 

I despair. 

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Were you on BBC breakfast earlier?
They interviewed an under 30 year old who, and he was 100% serious, said he wouldn't take the vaccination as it could track your movements and see your bank account.
A serious contender for being sectioned I would suggest.
There was also a young female with asthma who wouldn't take the vaccination as she'd heard it could be bad for her condition. 
I despair. 


Would the virus not be more likely to do that? :whistle
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5 hours ago, faraway saint said:

Were you on BBC breakfast earlier?

They interviewed an under 30 year old who, and he was 100% serious, said he wouldn't take the vaccination as it could track your movements and see your bank account. 😆😆😆

A serious contender for being sectioned I would suggest.

There was also a young female with asthma who wouldn't take the vaccination as she'd heard it could be bad for her condition. 

I despair. 

I love a good conspiracy, but you do get some ridiculous ones.

That being said, there are many conspiracy theories that have turned out to be true over the years. :ninja 

Was covid released by a shady elite in a bid to restructure society?

Probably not. But it is plausible that certain individuals, corporations and governments are gaining from the pandemic.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Winston Churchill

Was Covid released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology? 

It could have been. I'm not sure that we will ever know for sure... If that was true, the evidence is long gone by now

The way I see it, the most likely conspiracy that could arise, would be linked to the massive deals that have been made between governments and corporations to deal with the pandemic. Especially where politicians or their family/friends can make money from owning shares in the company.

I remember watching an episode of Dragons Den where someone had made an almost indestructible cable to plug in to an electric guitar. The dragons declined him, as the item was too good - it could only be sold once to a customer and there would be no future potential for profit.

I'm pretty sure Apple could make a far sturdier charging cable for their iPhone's, but they choose not to, due to $$$

Where am I going with this?

With MRNA technology, the company making the vaccine knows that as long as Covid exists, they will continue to make $$$ from booster jabs

If for example - Pfizer, make too good a vaccine, straight off the bat - no further boosters would be required, and their profits would dry up...

If I was to bet money on a theory that turns out to be true, it would be that the vaccines will be manufactured in such a way that covid continues to exist in a manageable way - which would also allow governments to maintain restrictions... to deal with climate change / achieve target of net zero by 2030 by restricting international travel. Which all falls under the blueprint for Klaus Schwab's "Great Reset" and the "Build Back Better" campaign, which almost every government worldwide is using as a campaign slogan.

 

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9 minutes ago, Doakes said:

I love a good conspiracy, but you do get some ridiculous ones.

That being said, there are many conspiracy theories that have turned out to be true over the years. :ninja 

Was covid released by a shady elite in a bid to restructure society?

Probably not. But it is plausible that certain individuals, corporations and governments are gaining from the pandemic.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Winston Churchill

Was Covid released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology? 

It could have been. I'm not sure that we will ever know for sure... If that was true, the evidence is long gone by now

The way I see it, the most likely conspiracy that could arise, would be linked to the massive deals that have been made between governments and corporations to deal with the pandemic. Especially where politicians or their family/friends can make money from owning shares in the company.

I remember watching an episode of Dragons Den where someone had made an almost indestructible cable to plug in to an electric guitar. The dragons declined him, as the item was too good - it could only be sold once to a customer and there would be no future potential for profit.

I'm pretty sure Apple could make a far sturdier charging cable for their iPhone's, but they choose not to, due to $$$

Where am I going with this?

With MRNA technology, the company making the vaccine knows that as long as Covid exists, they will continue to make $$$ from booster jabs

If for example - Pfizer, make too good a vaccine, straight off the bat - no further boosters would be required, and their profits would dry up...

If I was to bet money on a theory that turns out to be true, it would be that the vaccines will be manufactured in such a way that covid continues to exist in a manageable way - which would also allow governments to maintain restrictions... to deal with climate change / achieve target of net zero by 2030 by restricting international travel. Which all falls under the blueprint for Klaus Schwab's "Great Reset" and the "Build Back Better" campaign, which almost every government worldwide is using as a campaign slogan.

 

That being said MANY more have turned out to be complete fabrication. 

You forget to mention the $$$ companies spend on developing drugs, many which are "loss leaders" and many that don't see the light of day.

What makes you think Pfizers profits would dry up, they were doing more than OK before Covid appeared? 

I don't buy this "conspiracy theory" either as you forget to mention the cost, never mind the countless effects this has had on the general public.

People won't be willing to comply as they have over the last 17 months.

 

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1 minute ago, faraway saint said:

That being said MANY more have turned out to be complete fabrication. 

You forget to mention the $$$ companies spend on developing drugs, many which are "loss leaders" and many that don't see the light of day.

What makes you think Pfizers profits would dry up, they were doing more than OK before Covid appeared? 

I don't buy this "conspiracy theory" either as you forget to mention the cost, never mind the countless effects this has had on the general public.

People won't be willing to comply as they have over the last 17 months.

 

On the bit in red, you sort of answered your own question. At development stage, yes they make losses, but they will fully expect a return on that later. A lot less work required once the vaccine is developed. They know will make $$$ on the boosters. That’s why we are now using MRNA technology instead of traditional vaccines. They can edit it depending on what risks we are facing,  bit like updating anti-virus software on a PC.

If you read Klaus Scwab’s books, his point is basically that Stakeholder Capitalism should replace Shareholder Capitalism. There will be less focus on profit and more focus on societal issues. 

He did also predict that populations would become more and more resistant, and measures would need to be taken to counter that. 
 

 

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2 minutes ago, Doakes said:

On the bit in red, you sort of answered your own question. At development stage, yes they make losses, but they will fully expect a return on that later. A lot less work required once the vaccine is developed. They know will make $$$ on the boosters. That’s why we are now using MRNA technology instead of traditional vaccines. They can edit it depending on what risks we are facing,  bit like updating anti-virus software on a PC.

If you read Klaus Scwab’s books, his point is basically that Stakeholder Capitalism should replace Shareholder Capitalism. There will be less focus on profit and more focus on societal issues. 

He did also predict that populations would become more and more resistant, and measures would need to be taken to counter that. 
 

 

I think I know what group you are close to..................

A vague set of proposals from an influential organisation has been transformed by online conspiracy theorists into a powerful viral rallying cry. What is the truth behind the "Great Reset"?

Believers spin dark tales about an authoritarian socialist world government run by powerful capitalists and politicians - a secret cabal that is broadcasting its plan around the world.

Despite all the contradictions in the last sentence, thousands online have latched on to this latest reimagining of an old conspiracy theory - updated for the age of Covid.

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36 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

I think I know what group you are close to..................

A vague set of proposals from an influential organisation has been transformed by online conspiracy theorists into a powerful viral rallying cry. What is the truth behind the "Great Reset"?

Believers spin dark tales about an authoritarian socialist world government run by powerful capitalists and politicians - a secret cabal that is broadcasting its plan around the world.

Despite all the contradictions in the last sentence, thousands online have latched on to this latest reimagining of an old conspiracy theory - updated for the age of Covid.

You referring to that Q pish where Trump is secretly about to save the world from the illuminati? :lol: 

Nah, nothing like that, it's not a conspiracy. It's not hidden and you can buy the books on Amazon for about £15.

It's all very open and there's loads of info online about it

The Great Reset | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) 

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36 minutes ago, Doakes said:

You referring to that Q pish where Trump is secretly about to save the world from the illuminati? :lol: 

Nah, nothing like that, it's not a conspiracy. It's not hidden and you can buy the books on Amazon for about £15.

It's all very open and there's loads of info online about it

The Great Reset | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) 

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The other founder of the initiative is Prof Klaus Schwab, head of the World Economic Forum (WEF), which organises an annual summit in a Swiss ski resort for some of the world's wealthiest and most powerful people.

"The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future."

There's a Great Reset podcast and even a 280-page book. But the plan is light on specific detail.

Prof Schwab does speak about a "wealth tax" and ending fossil fuel subsidies. But the scope is huge - covering technology, climate change, the future of work, international security and other themes - and it's difficult to see precisely what the Great Reset might mean in practice.

This lack of clarity, combined with the plan being launched by an influential organisation, provided fertile ground for conspiracy theories to grow.

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7 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

The other founder of the initiative is Prof Klaus Schwab, head of the World Economic Forum (WEF), which organises an annual summit in a Swiss ski resort for some of the world's wealthiest and most powerful people.

"The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future."

There's a Great Reset podcast and even a 280-page book. But the plan is light on specific detail.

Prof Schwab does speak about a "wealth tax" and ending fossil fuel subsidies. But the scope is huge - covering technology, climate change, the future of work, international security and other themes - and it's difficult to see precisely what the Great Reset might mean in practice.

This lack of clarity, combined with the plan being launched by an influential organisation, provided fertile ground for conspiracy theories to grow.

Aye so, to get back on topic - one of the emerging technologies connected to this blueprint for the future / window of opportunity is MRNA vaccination. 

I can't pretend to be a virologist, but the technology is essentially a "smart" version of vaccination that gives your immune system instructions based on the latest variant. As I said before, a bit like anti-virus software getting regular updates.

I'd be curious to know why the media/government aren't being transparent with the public about the full extent of booster jabs. How often will the public be expected to get them? Will they be mandatory? 

My hunch is that explaining that to the public now - would risk resistance to the initial 2 jabs, but I do think they are setting themselves up for a lot more resistance later, due to a lack of transparency.

They might very well be right and this technology might be the only way to stop the virus running out of control, but it's all a bit teacher - pupil, as far as I can tell.

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Aye so, to get back on topic - one of the emerging technologies connected to this blueprint for the future / window of opportunity is MRNA vaccination. 
I can't pretend to be a virologist, but the technology is essentially a "smart" version of vaccination that gives your immune system instructions based on the latest variant. As I said before, a bit like anti-virus software getting regular updates.
I'd be curious to know why the media/government aren't being transparent with the public about the full extent of booster jabs. How often will the public be expected to get them? Will they be mandatory? 
My hunch is that explaining that to the public now - would risk resistance to the initial 2 jabs, but I do think they are setting themselves up for a lot more resistance later, due to a lack of transparency.
They might very well be right and this technology might be the only way to stop the virus running out of control, but it's all a bit teacher - pupil, as far as I can tell.
Why the fascination with mRNA? It's something that has been getting studied for over 60 years, it's not some new phenomenon that they just found and developed after covid.
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3 hours ago, Doakes said:
Aye so, to get back on topic - one of the emerging technologies connected to this blueprint for the future / window of opportunity is MRNA vaccination. 
I can't pretend to be a virologist, but the technology is essentially a "smart" version of vaccination that gives your immune system instructions based on the latest variant. As I said before, a bit like anti-virus software getting regular updates.
I'd be curious to know why the media/government aren't being transparent with the public about the full extent of booster jabs. How often will the public be expected to get them? Will they be mandatory? 
My hunch is that explaining that to the public now - would risk resistance to the initial 2 jabs, but I do think they are setting themselves up for a lot more resistance later, due to a lack of transparency.
They might very well be right and this technology might be the only way to stop the virus running out of control, but it's all a bit teacher - pupil, as far as I can tell.

Why the fascination with mRNA? It's something that has been getting studied for over 60 years, it's not some new phenomenon that they just found and developed after covid.

Why would you not be cautious of a new biotechnology that’s been granted emergency use authorisation to be injected into every human on the planet?

Why would you not be concerned that you’ll need to “show your papers” to enter a venue? 

It concerns me how easily some of you are prepared to hand over your basic freedoms. If the vaccine is so great, why is there so much fear of the unvaccinated? 

It’s all got very dystopian.

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3 minutes ago, Doakes said:

Why would you not be cautious of a new biotechnology that’s been granted emergency use authorisation to be injected into every human on the planet?

Why would you not be concerned that you’ll need to “show your papers” to enter a venue? 

It concerns me how easily some of you are prepared to hand over your basic freedoms. If the vaccine is so great, why is there so much fear of the unvaccinated? 

It’s all got very dystopian.

To save life's? :lol:

What's the problem showing you're virus free to enter a venue?

The vaccine is great, but not 100%, maybe that's why it's a decent idea to have as many vaccinated that can be. 

You really need to buy more tin foil, there's way too much electrical interference getting through, frazzles the brain seemingly? 

 

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4 hours ago, Doakes said:

Aye so, to get back on topic - one of the emerging technologies connected to this blueprint for the future / window of opportunity is MRNA vaccination. 

I can't pretend to be a virologist, but the technology is essentially a "smart" version of vaccination that gives your immune system instructions based on the latest variant. As I said before, a bit like anti-virus software getting regular updates.

I'd be curious to know why the media/government aren't being transparent with the public about the full extent of booster jabs. How often will the public be expected to get them? Will they be mandatory? 

My hunch is that explaining that to the public now - would risk resistance to the initial 2 jabs, but I do think they are setting themselves up for a lot more resistance later, due to a lack of transparency.

They might very well be right and this technology might be the only way to stop the virus running out of control, but it's all a bit teacher - pupil, as far as I can tell.

Does it not occur to you that no one knows how long the immunity from the vaccines will last, whether regular boosters will be necessary  and how often they might be necessary? In the light of this, do you think the authorities should just make up a story?

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