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I accept both, there may be a case for abortion due to health or unforeseen circumstances. I get every ones argument that if you don't want a baby then use protection. On some cases the female doesn't get the option

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6 hours ago, oaksoft said:

This is not a discussion that men have any right to be part of to be honest.

It's the woman who is physically going through this. Her body, her decision.

 

you got this spot on agree entirely, primarily her decision.

 

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3 hours ago, Dickson said:

It's not an issue I have strong views on either way and I think in general I would agree. However would you also agree that if a man wishes to have a vasectomy that he should be able to get one without the need for the consent of his wife / partner as currently happens? 

Yes because it's his body but that's irrelevant to a discussion on abortion.

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25 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:
1 hour ago, oaksoft said:
Yes because it's his body but that's irrelevant to a discussion on abortion.

It's also irrelevant as he's wrong as you do not require the consent of your wife/partner to get a vasectomy.

Correct.

 

Why the f**k would he think that?

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5 hours ago, Dickson said:

would you also agree that if a man wishes to have a vasectomy that he should be able to get one without the need for the consent of his wife / partner as currently happens? 

 

5 minutes ago, Dickson said:

It might not be a legal requirement to get your partner's permission

 

So he needs to get consent but it's not a legal requirement? :lol

 

5 minutes ago, Dickson said:

many GP's insist on getting your partners permission before agreeing to refer you for the procedure. 

 

A GP has absolutely no right to refuse permission for referral for a vasectomy purely on the grounds of not having your wife/partner's consent.  Neither has the consultant that you see for your pre-op consultation.  I think you're talking pish.  They might want that consent, but they have no right to refuse referral just because they don't get it.  They don't even have the right to discuss the situation with your partner without your permission.  I have never, ever, heard of the situation you describe happening to anyone and it's definitely not the case now as you claim in the first quote above.

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2 hours ago, Dickson said:

From the NHS24 website. 

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It might not be a legal requirement to get your partner's permission but many GP's insist on getting your partners permission before agreeing to refer you for the procedure. 

It's nearly 22 years since I had mine and my GP insisted on my wife, at that time, signing a document saying that she consented. It's not the only account to this effect that I have heard. 

It is relevant because it's quite clear that many people in society quite rightly, IMO, take the view that if a woman wishes to abort her pregnancy she should be able to do it on the NHS without any block from a GP, but a man is not afforded the same respect over his own body. 

Stuart, I said before that the days of you blatantly lying over stuff like this are well and truly over.

You don't need permission from a wife or partner to have a vasectomy and what the hell would you know about what "most GPs" do or don't do regarding this?

Just go away FFS. 🤣

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A mate had been talking about having one recently and I was intrigued enough to have looked it up then. Its not for me after I read the disclaimer.
It's no big deal. I had mine 7 weeks ago (well, 7 weeks tomorrow), mild discomfort for a couple of days, no real pain, and dissolving stitches so no need to go to doctor's to have them removed. Easy peasy.

 

Now you (and everyone else) knows the reason that I knew he was talking pish (again).

 

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1 hour ago, cockles1987 said:

Oh no it wasn't, that's two strikes for you today emoji14.pngA mate had been talking about having one recently and I was intrigued enough to have looked it up then. Its not for me after I read the disclaimer. emoji54.png

Nope, nope, nope, nope.

Good luck to anyone doing this but it's 4 Nopes from me.

I'd rather abstain than have anyone come at me with a pair of scissors. 

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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4 minutes ago, Dickson said:

https://goodmenproject.com/newsroom/are-men-legally-required-to-ask-their-spouses-permission-for-a-vasectomy/

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Just a few of the thousands of articles that prove that there are many, many accounts similar to mine. 

You have one anecdote as evidence and you've decided that everyone elses experience is the same as yours. 

 

So you're prepared to ignore what they say at the NHS but you will instantly believe what John Smith says on a random blog.

You're not exactly helping yourself here. :lol:

ETA. Hang on. That's an American website you utter spangle. :lol:

I thought it was a bit odd when I saw the phrase "state law".

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2 hours ago, Dickson said:

So you've no experience whatsoever of the vasectomy process yet you want to pontificate on what it is. 

Talk about arguing from a position of complete ignorance. At least Slartibartfast found a GP who had clearly read his posts on here and decided regardless of what any woman thought, the world would be a better a place if he wasn't to procreate any further. 

You see Stuart, this is why you struggle to succeed with things in your life.

You say stupid stuff, you get caught out and then you act like a total twat about it.

It's all about your attitude.

It's your problem bud, not mine.

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Just a few of the thousands of articles that prove that there are many, many accounts similar to mine. 
You have one anecdote as evidence and you've decided that everyone elses experience is the same as yours. 
 


I never decided everyone's experience was the same as mine, I was rebutting your incorrect claim about how things currently stand.

Whether or not the laws are different in different countries (and according to the reply in your quote, they aren't in this case) is irrelevant to what you claimed.

So you're prepared to ignore what they say at the NHS but you will instantly believe what John Smith says on a random blog.
You're not exactly helping yourself here. 
ETA. Hang on. That's an American website you utter spangle. 
I thought it was a bit odd when I saw the phrase "state law".


I was just about to point out the "state" bit.

1. I quoted the NHS website which stated that a man should get agreement with his spouse / partner despite it not being a legal requirement - and which stated that a GP would have the right to refuse to refer if they don't believe it is in your best interests. Put this into the context of your post on here about abortion. Imagine if a woman decided to abort her pregnancy, and the NHS website stated that she should get the fathers agreement before doing it, whilst giving a GP the right to refuse the abortion on the grounds that they think it's not in her best interest. The double standard should be quite obvious to any sane, rational person - but then it is you I am talking to :rolleyes:
2. Shull's initial post which kicked off this thread carried a video from a US Senator. Now your argument has been shown up for what it is you've decided this whole debate is centred in the UK. As I said to you on the other thread, perhaps you should try learning to read first before being such a pompous twat. 


FFS, it's obviously just advising discussion so that the man knows whether or not his partner may want more children. I "discussed" it with my partner, I said "I'm going to get the snip". That was it, end of discussion.

A GP can refuse to refer a woman on the grounds of not being in the best interests of the woman as they see it, i.e. on the grounds of "conscience", though they are supposed to refer her to another GP who doesn't hold they beliefs. Medical staff can refuse to take part in abortions for the same reason.

https://abortionrights.org.uk/pregnant/

Your "experience" was UK based, your NHS quote was from a UK website, your anecdotes were from, I would assume, UK residents (unless you were having a virtual "dinner party" with folk from abroad) and your claims were regarding the UK. Oaky hasn't decided it's all about the UK, he's just commenting on your bollocks - and showing himself up to be a big girl's blouse.

So you've no experience whatsoever of the vasectomy process yet you want to pontificate on what it is. 
Talk about arguing from a position of complete ignorance. At least Slartibartfast found a GP who had clearly read his posts on here and decided regardless of what any woman thought, the world would be a better a place if he wasn't to procreate any further. 


Not having personal experience of something does not necessarily mean that you are arguing from a position of ignorance.

I didn't need to find a GP, I just went to my own. He is a Buddie, mind you, so you might be right about the last bit - or maybe he was just doing his job as the law stipulates.

I think you've stated recently that it's been 20 years since you had yours and also 20 years you've been on St Mirren forums. Did some good Samaritans kidnap you off the street immediately after your first post and do yours in the back of a butcher's shop for the same reason you suggest about me. It seems a wee bit of a coincidence to me so maybe that's where you got the idea from - or maybe it was done at your wife's request?

Anyway, I'm only involved here because others have quoted you, so I'm going to stop now. Div needs to improve the ignore function so quoted posts are also hidden. Get to it, Div. :)

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I have no stake in this game. (NOT a humorous euphemism.)

but Scottish v engerlish practice on this MAY differ.

last week(I think) Ed Byrne (in hosting a Live at the Apollo show)riffed about “going for the snip”... and his doctor insisted his wife show up and give her permission.

the doctor was firm about it.

 

He made it all very funny. 😁 

 


 

 

however.... thinking further....  I have/had an idea that he now lived in Scotland?  A Scots doctor?)

 

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5 minutes ago, antrin said:

I have no stake in this game. (NOT a humorous euphemism.)

but Scottish v engerlish practice on this MAY differ.

last week(I think) Ed Byrne (in hosting a Live at the Apollo show)riffed about “going for the snip”... and his doctor insisted his wife show up and give her permission.

the doctor was firm about it.

 

He made it all very funny. 😁 

 


 

 

however.... thinking further....  I have/had an idea that he now lived in Scotland?  A Scots doctor?)

 

Maybe he was just making a joke at Dicko's expense. :D

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12 hours ago, Dickson said:

So you've no experience whatsoever of the vasectomy process yet you want to pontificate on what it is. 

Talk about arguing from a position of complete ignorance. At least Slartibartfast found a GP who had clearly read his posts on here and decided regardless of what any woman thought, the world would be a better a place if he wasn't to procreate any further. 

What a ridiculous statement. I also have no experience whatsoever of the process of jumping off a cliff onto a spike but I think I can safely say it's not a good idea.

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3 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

What a ridiculous statement. I also have no experience whatsoever of the process of jumping off a cliff onto a spike but I think I can safely say it's not a good idea.

You're just trying to get him to disagree and try to prove you wrong, aren't you? :lol

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4 hours ago, Dickson said:

Thanks for your concern but from where I sit it doesn't feel like I'm struggling at all. 

For once in all the years I have seen you posting, go away and find something or someone to be entirely positive about that doesn't involve you and then come back and tell me you don't feel better about yourself.

You can put on a good face all you like but I can taste your crushing negativity and resentment every time you post another diatribe about yet another successful person who isn't doing things as well as you would do them.

Edited by oaksoft

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34 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:

There you go making more stuff up, I never wrote or claimed I was doing any research for anyone but myself. Babyki11er caught lying again

You also even posted that a wife's/partners consent was not legally required.

So who's correct then, the doctor who we can't question or the website?

I don't think that he's making stuff up, it's just his ability to understand English that's the problem.  When he can post something that contradicts him while claiming that it backs him up, can we really expect him to understand what others post?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or maybe he's just making shit up. :lol

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17 hours ago, cockles1987 said:

Oh no it wasn't, that's two strikes for you today emoji14.pngA mate had been talking about having one recently and I was intrigued enough to have looked it up then. Its not for me after I read the disclaimer. emoji54.png

Well, to be fair, I never said it was, I said I didn't doubt it was.  What else was there?

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Mothers are complicit in killing babies via abortion done by doctors in Clinics, Hospitals, etc. 

Dickson is not the baby cuddler 

Edited by shull

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