stlucifer Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 hours ago, munoz said: The current situation could be a great opportunity of improving the format of the leagues, and get away from the familiarity of playing a team up to 6 or even 7 times in one season. Whether the top flight clubs want to share their wealth with other teams in a expanded league remains to be seen. Not going to happen. The TV companies are determined to have four Sevco, Celtic league games a season. Which I have said on many occasions, the SPFL CANNOT guarantee while keeping the integrity, (hahahahahahaha), of the Premiership intact. No matter how slim a chance there is it's still possible for them to be separated at the split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 There's really only three options 3 Divisions of 14 4 divisions 14-10-10-10 The Status Quo I say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Dear, Dear, Dear, she just doesn't get it.... Quote Ann Budge insists Hearts should be saved from drop because they made 'substantial investments to try to avoid relegation' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said: Dear, Dear, Dear, she just doesn't get it.... Can you imagine how much they would have to spend to get into the top 6 (going by her logic) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: Bottom line is beneath her waffle it's all just self interest in the belief that Hearts wouldn't be so bad two seasons in a row, everyone can see that now & hopefully she's shot herself in the foot with this statement - I personally hope our BoD would not sanction any reconstruction that was for less than 5 years. Reconstruction shouldn't have any time limit on it. We change the leagues and keep it that way until a new proposal to improve comes along. 1 or 2 years is a joke though, you need to give the new set up time to bed in. If this had been Saints in bottom position, would we accept relegation under these circumstances? I would definitely be prepared to accept it. Wouldn't be happy about it. It's a shite state of affairs. But I would accept it for the good of the game at a moment like this. Budge needs to show a bit more grace and dignity here. People are dying in their thousands because of this virus and all she can think about is money. Two other clubs in arguably worse positions than Hearts have suffered this fate with more dignity. Having said that, if she can persuade the other clubs to vote for her proposal then I'd be OK with that. I just want to hear her STFU about her grievance though. Edited April 17, 2020 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsBud Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 hours ago, munoz said: I get what you're saying, but a temporary change to structure just reeks of self interest from Budge & Hearts. I'm definitely for a bigger league but it has to be for the correct reasons and not just for a couple of seasons. Theres nothing wrong or surprising with Hearts looking after their own interest. Every club would do the same. In fact Budge as CEO of the company legally needs to do whats best for the company and the shareholders so theres no issue here. I can't see the other clubs also agreeing. I'm not a fan of doing league reconstruction so I hope it doesn't happen. It would dilute our prize pot and mean more meaningless games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, LargsBud said: Theres nothing wrong or surprising with Hearts looking after their own interest. Every club would do the same. In fact Budge as CEO of the company legally needs to do whats best for the company and the shareholders so theres no issue here. I can't see the other clubs also agreeing. I'm not a fan of doing league reconstruction so I hope it doesn't happen. It would dilute our prize pot and mean more meaningless games. Meaningless games in which more youth players could be given a chance to come through. Right now there is far too much pressure on clubs to stay up because of the financial implications of relegation, I believe a bigger league might ease that for our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, LargsBud said: Theres nothing wrong or surprising with Hearts looking after their own interest. Every club would do the same. In fact Budge as CEO of the company legally needs to do whats best for the company and the shareholders so theres no issue here. I can't see the other clubs also agreeing. I'm not a fan of doing league reconstruction so I hope it doesn't happen. It would dilute our prize pot and mean more meaningless games. It's not looking after there own interests that irks, or surprises me, it's the clear change from it being about integrity to self interest in less than 24 hours. Like I've said previously I'd prefer 3 divisions of 14, but for say 5 years and then a review - a one season expansion is no benefit to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, LargsBud said: Theres nothing wrong or surprising with Hearts looking after their own interest. Every club would do the same. In fact Budge as CEO of the company legally needs to do whats best for the company and the shareholders so theres no issue here. I can't see the other clubs also agreeing. I'm not a fan of doing league reconstruction so I hope it doesn't happen. It would dilute our prize pot and mean more meaningless games. I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem is that Hearts are being given more of a chance to look after their own interests than some other clubs would get. Do you think we would have been given the opportunity to lead a task force investigating the option of league reconstruction, if we were bottom? Edited April 17, 2020 by FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 All this is just a pile of boring shite We sold our soul to TV. All that matters is that there's at least 4 bigotfests to get shown The rest can gtf as far tv are concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Budge and Grey have been handed a double-edged sword if they are in charge of the study they can hardly complain about the outcome. The other clubs will be aware of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 The fans will accept whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, shull said: The fans will accept whatever. And deserve all thy get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 "Hi Gordon, this is Anne Budge calling about reconstruction. ""f**k off" as Gordon smiles and switches his phone off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sonny said: "Hi Gordon, this is Anne Budge calling about reconstruction. " "f**k off" as Gordon smiles and switches his phone off. He does the same when Baz phones him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Theres nothing wrong or surprising with Hearts looking after their own interest. Every club would do the same. In fact Budge as CEO of the company legally needs to do whats best for the company and the shareholders so theres no issue here. I can't see the other clubs also agreeing. I'm not a fan of doing league reconstruction so I hope it doesn't happen. It would dilute our prize pot and mean more meaningless games. The only club who appear to not have voted in self interest is East Fife who released a well worded statement explaining why they voted the way they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 The only club who appear to not have voted in self interest is East Fife who released a well worded statement explaining why they voted the way they did. East Fife were 2 points outside the play off places. [emoji106] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W6er Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, shull said: And deserve all thy get. If season ticket prices are frozen and the league is expanded to 14, then they will be getting to extra games free. I have offered to buy my girlfriend's son a juvenile ST for next season, the only problem is he supports Rangers! I reckon he could be converted, though. He's going to think about it, if not I might upgrade to padded seats! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, W6er said: If season ticket prices are frozen and the league is expanded to 14, then they will be getting to extra games free. I have offered to buy my girlfriend's son a juvenile ST for next season, the only problem is he supports Rangers! I reckon he could be converted, though. He's going to think about it, if not I might upgrade to padded seats! LOL Padded fecking cells you all need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 16 hours ago, munoz said: Meaningless games in which more youth players could be given a chance to come through. Right now there is far too much pressure on clubs to stay up because of the financial implications of relegation, I believe a bigger league might ease that for our club. I agree. And I think there might be another side benefit in that teams might play with less fear of losing so you may just end up with a better brand of football. Easier on the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, stlucifer said: I agree. And I think there might be another side benefit in that teams might play with less fear of losing so you may just end up with a better brand of football. Easier on the eye. You, and @munoz, might be right. The fact these games are meaningless will, IMO, show in attendances, dropping quite a bit. Look at the numbers we got for the last few games and the play off's last season? More meaningful games will be more appealing than meaningless games, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, faraway saint said: You, and @munoz, might be right. The fact these games are meaningless will, IMO, show in attendances, dropping quite a bit. Look at the numbers we got for the last few games and the play off's last season? More meaningful games will be more appealing than meaningless games, IMO. Totally agree. Fans go to games that mean something. How many would attend Hamilton v ICT if they were both mid table and nothing to play for? The 18 team League was shite after January when teams levelled out and everyone knew the couple of teams in the frame to be champions or be relegated and the rest were just playing out time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 20 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: Budge's current stance is all the more galling when you remember this... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36999758 Hearts owner Ann Budge: Scotland has too many senior clubs I wonder if anyone on the "task force" will remind her of this statement, when she is reeking of desperation in order to save her stinking shithole of a club from relegation. SPFL reconstruction taskforce Club Member Airdrieonians Paul Hetherington Ayr United Lachlan Cameron Cove Rangers John Sheran Dundee John Nelms Edinburgh City Jim Brown Falkirk Gary Deans Greenock Morton David Mackinnon Hamilton Academical Les Gray (joint chair) Heart of Midlothian Ann Budge (joint chair) Hibernian Leeann Dempster Partick Thistle Jacqui Low Queen's Park Gerry Crawley Raith Rovers Bill Stark Highland League Rod Houston Lowland League George Fraser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, Sonny said: Totally agree. Fans go to games that mean something. How many would attend Hamilton v ICT if they were both mid table and nothing to play for? The 18 team League was shite after January when teams levelled out and everyone knew the couple of teams in the frame to be champions or be relegated and the rest were just playing out time. Virtually every top league in the world consists of umpteen teams. They all seem to be able to cope with the potential for “meaningless” games. Why should our league be any different. I do speak though as a daft old romantic who still believes that there is no such thing as a meaningless game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Every League match the bottom ten Premiership clubs play is meaningless, apart from being training sessions for future cup ties. RID OUR SOCCER OF THE SECTARIAN DUO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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