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1 hour ago, antrin said:

The “rant” was an explanation, not a rant and not from a POV of victimhood.  As I live comfortably in the soft underbelly of this rich land. There was no whining, no victimhood.  Just an attempted explanation as you queried the validity of BLM.  You obviously really don’t want to know th truth - and so you diss all responses that don’t match your lower middle class mindset.

I’ll cease trying to enlighten you.  You have no empathy.

"To quote an earlier arsehole".

"You have empathy".

You seem to be more upset that I simply don't agree with your view and now you're resorting to the usual tedious left winger delusion of believing yourself to have moral superiority.

Dear oh dear. What is it with you and TPAK thingy that you just cannot tolerate a difference of opinion?

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 I hate having to google for lazy people but...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
The rate of Blacks disproportionately murdered by police is increasing.


Why have a dog and bark yourself as they say

More white folks have been killed by police than blacks, but taking the overall demographics that would be expected.

However I for one haven’t lived in a black “hood” so I can’t talk from experience...... but. These areas by all accounts are known high crime areas, drugs, prostitution, gangs and homicides. These troubled areas also attract a higher police presence to patrol those areas. With all that in mind, there’s bound to be interactions between said criminals and the police..... which on occasion doesn’t end well for one or other.

America has approximately 35 millions blacks, 123 of those were killed by police in 2019, 80% were armed and deemed a justifiable killing.
So for it to be said as a fact that police routinely go out to kill black people is totally incorrect.

There are approximately 800.000 law enforcement officers in America. Out of that 800.000 48 police officers were murdered last year, 44 were shot and 4 where a vehicle was used, 37 killed so far to date this year. These figures come from the FBI site, not from a data platform BTW.
So on those stats, there’s more chance of a police officer being killed than a black person being killed by police. Wouldn’t you agree?

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1 minute ago, Russian Saint said:

 


Why have a dog and bark yourself as they say emoji6.png

More white folks have been killed by police than blacks, but taking the overall demographics that would be expected.

However I for one haven’t lived in a black “hood” so I can’t talk from experience...... but. These areas by all accounts are known high crime areas, drugs, prostitution, gangs and homicides. These troubled areas also attract a higher police presence to patrol those areas. With all that in mind, there’s bound to be interactions between said criminals and the police..... which on occasion doesn’t end well for one or other.

America has approximately 35 millions blacks, 123 of those were killed by police in 2019, 80% were armed and deemed a justifiable killing.
So for it to be said as a fact that police routinely go out to kill black people is totally incorrect.

There are approximately 800.000 law enforcement officers in America. Out of that 800.000 48 police officers were murdered last year, 44 were shot and 4 where a vehicle was used, 37 killed so far to date this year. These figures come from the FBI site, not from a data platform BTW.
So on those stats, there’s more chance of a police officer being killed than a black person being killed by police. Wouldn’t you agree?

 

How many of the police officers killed were black? :rolleyes:

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3 hours ago, antrin said:

 

 

 I hate having to google for lazy people but...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

The rate of Blacks disproportionately murdered by police is increasing.

Is there stats to why.   Is it because there are more racist policemen, more felonies committed by one, or is it because there's more resistance to arrest.

I'm to lazy to even attempt to find out.

One thing I have noticed on you tube, certain people deliberately going  out of there way to provoke police here in the UK.  claiming they know the law better than the cops when ever they have been stopped, questioned etc.  For obvious reasons, some probably do and get one over the rooky cops.   How sad those individuals.  

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57 minutes ago, Russian Saint said:

 


Why have a dog and bark yourself as they say emoji6.png

More white folks have been killed by police than blacks, but taking the overall demographics that would be expected.

However I for one haven’t lived in a black “hood” so I can’t talk from experience...... but. These areas by all accounts are known high crime areas, drugs, prostitution, gangs and homicides. These troubled areas also attract a higher police presence to patrol those areas. With all that in mind, there’s bound to be interactions between said criminals and the police..... which on occasion doesn’t end well for one or other.

America has approximately 35 millions blacks, 123 of those were killed by police in 2019, 80% were armed and deemed a justifiable killing.
So for it to be said as a fact that police routinely go out to kill black people is totally incorrect.


There are approximately 800.000 law enforcement officers in America. Out of that 800.000 48 police officers were murdered last year, 44 were shot and 4 where a vehicle was used, 37 killed so far to date this year. These figures come from the FBI site, not from a data platform BTW.
So on those stats, there’s more chance of a police officer being killed than a black person being killed by police. Wouldn’t you agree?

 

I honestly don't know what is wrong with antrin these days.

His posts on this thread are over emotional nonsense. The typical sort of stuff you expect from an armchair socialist with no real understanding of what is really happening out there. I can't think of a worse job than being a white police officer in the US right now.

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47 minutes ago, pod said:

Is there stats to why.   Is it because there are more racist policemen, more felonies committed by one, or is it because there's more resistance to arrest.

I'm to lazy to even attempt to find out.

One thing I have noticed on you tube, certain people deliberately going  out of there way to provoke police here in the UK.  claiming they know the law better than the cops when ever they have been stopped, questioned etc.  For obvious reasons, some probably do and get one over the rooky cops.   How sad those individuals.  

Interestingly, those graphs show a substantial reduction in deaths for all races due to the police and the drop in black deaths is substantially higher for blacks (more than halved in 3 years) than for whites (about 40%).

That should be seen as a positive thing but it's being completely overwhelmed by this other stuff.

It must be a nightmare to police some of these neighbourhoods.

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7 hours ago, D.F.Riley said:

St Mirren will Take The Knee tonight in honour of BLM.

Bazil will do the same.

 

Is Marxist the new buzz word 😂 bring back Trotskyism! (It disappeared last year after Jez was purged) 

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4 hours ago, Russian Saint said:

 


7 black officers have been killed by gunfire so far in 2020 emoji1573.png♀️emoji6.png

 

Appalling, I suppose that what happens when you don’t police by consensus and you allow guns to be sold over the counter. 

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Appalling, I suppose that what happens when you don’t police by consensus and you allow guns to be sold over the counter. 


I don’t know if that’s the answer chap. People are being shot in the UK every other day, when guns are illegal. I personally have friends (not in the UK I must add) that have licenced firearms, some are concealed carry, others for home protection. All upstanding members of the community.

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25 minutes ago, Russian Saint said:

 


I don’t know if that’s the answer chap. People are being shot in the UK every other day, when guns are illegal. I personally have friends (not in the UK I must add) that have licenced firearms, some are concealed carry, others for home protection. All upstanding members of the community.

 

Not sure what the numbers are for U.K. gun crime? I would think knife crime was probably statically more prevalent, However if looking at the states, your upstanding friends may feel safe owning guns, but the evidence does not support there beliefs....

 

 

Individually, several studies have found that the presence of a gun in a home elevates the risk of death. A 2014 review of the research published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, found that access to firearms was associated with a doubled risk for homicide and a tripled risk for suicide. A 2017 piece by Melinda Wenner Moyer in Scientific American also ran through the evidence, concluding that gun ownership was associated with a higher risk of homicide, suicide, and accidental shootings.

People often think that guns will potentially protect them from a home invader. But these kinds of events are relatively rare (and even then, the presence of a firearm can make it more likely that such a situation will escalate into deadly violence) — while the chances that a gun could be used to fatal ends in a domestic dispute, suicide, or accidental shooting are much higher, as the research on individual risk demonstrates.

This is true on a collective level as well: After controlling for other factors, higher levels of gun ownership are associated with higher levels of gun violence. Based on the research, this is one of the key reasons the US has much higher levels of gun violence than its developed peers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 9/15/2020 at 11:15 PM, antrin said:

You asked me questions and I answered them, you don’t need to question the answers as if you were bazil.  Just ignore me.  You don’t want my help.

:)

gagging for an argument... 

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21 hours ago, D.F.Riley said:

St Mirren will Take The Knee tonight in honour of BLM.

Bazil will do the same.

 

Sure would have, as I would encourage anyone to do. Confusion between a few muppets out there and the message of BLM is causing ignorance... Oh and racism, let's not forget racism. 

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Not sure what the numbers are for U.K. gun crime? I would think knife crime was probably statically more prevalent, However if looking at the states, your upstanding friends may feel safe owning guns, but the evidence does not support there beliefs....
 
 

Individually, several studies have found that the presence of a gun in a home elevates the risk of death. A 2014 review of the research published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, for instance, found that access to firearms was associated with a doubled risk for homicide and a tripled risk for suicide. A 2017 piece by Melinda Wenner Moyer in Scientific American also ran through the evidence, concluding that gun ownership was associated with a higher risk of homicide, suicide, and accidental shootings.

People often think that guns will potentially protect them from a home invader. But these kinds of events are relatively rare (and even then, the presence of a firearm can make it more likely that such a situation will escalate into deadly violence) — while the chances that a gun could be used to fatal ends in a domestic dispute, suicide, or accidental shooting are much higher, as the research on individual risk demonstrates.

This is true on a collective level as well: After controlling for other factors, higher levels of gun ownership are associated with higher levels of gun violence. Based on the research, this is one of the key reasons the US has much higher levels of gun violence than its developed peers.

 

 
 

I’d say from my experience that the gun owners that I know are all good intelligent law abiding people, not the type to go out shooting up the town, and I’d say that the majority of legally owned firearms are the same.
I get your point regarding the use of guns, but I’d say that in the world of criminal activity, the weapons would nearly all be illegal. Guns in the wrong hands IMO is where the issues lie.
I’d agree that in the UK knife crime is more prevalent than gun crime, but if some random fuc*wit is on a mission to cause carnage, they’ll use whatever they can get their hands on that’ll do maximum damage. I believe in the UK certain types of knives are now illegal (Rambo style) but knife crime is on the rise?
No idea what the answer is, maybe harsher sentences for those caught in possession of weapons would be a good start.

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54 minutes ago, Russian Saint said:


I’d say from my experience that the gun owners that I know are all good intelligent law abiding people, not the type to go out shooting up the town, and I’d say that the majority of legally owned firearms are the same.
 

I'd say that my knowledge of you (from your posts) makes me think you are law-abiding and good, in general, but I couldn't imagine that as being a rationale on which to base gun ownership. It's not the decent gun owners that are the problems it's simply having guns in any community.

As albionsaint pointed out.

"After controlling for other factors, higher levels of gun ownership are associated with higher levels of gun violence. Based on the research, this is one of the key reasons the US has much higher levels of gun violence than its developed peers."

I'm sure that in both Hungerford and Dunblane both gunmen were viewed as law-abiding and decent chaps till they caused carnage in their communities.

 

Same goes for all the legal gun-owner, US High-school massacre perpetrators.

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I'd say that my knowledge of you (from your posts) makes me think you are law-abiding and good, in general, but I couldn't imagine that as being a rationale on which to base gun ownership. It's not the decent gun owners that are the problems it's simply having guns in any community.
As albionsaint pointed out.
"After controlling for other factors, higher levels of gun ownership are associated with higher levels of gun violence. Based on the research, this is one of the key reasons the US has much higher levels of gun violence than its developed peers."
I'm sure that in both Hungerford and Dunblane both gunmen were viewed as law-abiding and decent chaps till they caused carnage in their communities.
 
Same goes for all the legal gun-owner, US High-school massacre perpetrators.
It's a vicious circle. Law abiding people get guns to protect themselves from criminals. Criminals are then more likely to take a gun to their crime, as they know that there is a higher chance that the intended victim will have a gun. More gun crime encourages more law abiding citizens to get a gun to protect themselves from the criminals who are more likely to have a gun. Etc.

As Russian Saint says, most guns used by criminals will be illegal but a lot of them will probably be stolen from law abiding people who legally own them. I honestly think that the US is a lost cause when it comes to gun control, too many Americans regard their right to own guns as a defining factor in their "American-ness".

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23 minutes ago, Hendo said:

The most disturbing thing about this thread is realising some of the reactionary views held by those I've been agreeing with on the coronavirus thread.

Why is it odd to be able to agree with someone about one thing, but hold an opposing view with that person about something else?

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9 minutes ago, W6er said:

Why is it odd to be able to agree with someone about one thing, but hold an opposing view with that person about something else?

Because the whole coronavirus thing seems to have, bizarrely, been conducted along political lines, with those on the left seeming to favour more restrictions and those on the right opposing this.

It seems that I'm the only old leftie who thinks most government's in the world have taken leave of their senses.

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7 minutes ago, D.F.Riley said:

Hendo is a hater of Shull.

He accuses Shull of being a racist.

Shull has asked him a few times to prove it.

Hendo has no evidence.

Hendo is disturbing.

Another fecking shull alias for the bin.

Can't be many left now.

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26 minutes ago, Hendo said:

Because the whole coronavirus thing seems to have, bizarrely, been conducted along political lines, with those on the left seeming to favour more restrictions and those on the right opposing this.

It seems that I'm the only old leftie who thinks most government's in the world have taken leave of their senses.

Personally, I think enough's enough. The elderly and those with underlying health conditions should shield, and let everyone else get on with their lives. 

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37 minutes ago, D.F.Riley said:

Hendo is a hater of Shull.

He accuses Shull of being a racist.

Shull has asked him a few times to prove it.

Hendo has no evidence.

Hendo is disturbing.

He is not the only one that is disturbing! 

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