St.Ricky Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Suggestions today that the other clubs might expel these two from the league. A case of Hearts out and Kelty Hearts in perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Inverness Caledonian Thistle ? Why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, shull said: Inverness Caledonian Thistle ? Why ? Yeah.. Yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Seems to be gathering some momentum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Apparently their compliance officer is looking into this possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Is the middle ground going to lead to reconstruction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Maybe Neilson and Budge know that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted June 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 hours ago, smcc said: Maybe Neilson and Budge know that is the case. My guess too Nice way to force the hand of other clubs... Perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlandssaint Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/heartspartick-case-against-spfl-referred-sfa-arbitration-2903331 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, eastlandssaint said: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/heartspartick-case-against-spfl-referred-sfa-arbitration-2903331 Hearts won petition to get access to key documents for use in Arbitration (or potentially any future court case). In the words of Lord Clark parties ‘need to put their cards on the table’. Lord Clark stressed that Hearts/Partick Thistle were wholly correct in not seeking court action or arbitration while the potential for reconstruction was still a possibility. Hearts/Partick v the Three others clubs – expenses shared. Hearts/Partick v SPFL, petitioners to pay the cost of the SPFL case but only to the amount of 50% So far a 0-0 draw in the first leg. the second leg will be played on the SPFL home pitch, with its own appointed officials, and only SPFL fans in attendance. the rules of the match will be made up during play to suit whatever outcome the SPFL deem desirable and suitable for the SPFL... a bit like the Nimmo Smith bollox where ilegally registered players were not doomed illegal cos nobody spotted it at the time. or the ruling that EBTs were not illegal cos every club COULD have used them, if they’d known about them and even though the EBTs let the deid club hire better players.... that did not give them an advantage. I don’t think Hearts and PT are going to have their way. They have been poorly treated and it’ll stay that way. Edited July 3, 2020 by antrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, antrin said: Hearts won petition to get access to key documents for use in Arbitration (or potentially any future court case). In the words of Lord Clark parties ‘need to put their cards on the table’. Lord Clark stressed that Hearts/Partick Thistle were wholly correct in not seeking court action or arbitration while the potential for reconstruction was still a possibility. Hearts/Partick v the Three others clubs – expenses shared. Hearts/Partick v SPFL, petitioners to pay the cost of the SPFL case but only to the amount of 50% So far a 0-0 draw in the first leg. the second leg will be played on the SPFL home pitch, with its own appointed officials, and only SPFL fans in attendance. the rules of the match will be made up during play to suit whatever outcome the SPFL deem desirable and suitable for the SPFL... a bit like the Nimmo Smith bollox where ilegally registered players were not doomed illegal cos nobody spotted it at the time. or the ruling that EBTs were not illegal cos every club COULD have used them, if they’d known about them and even though the EBTs let the deid club hire better players.... that did not give them an advantage. I don’t think Hearts and PT are going to have their way. They have been poorly treated and it’ll stay that way. My money is on reconstruction as the outcome after arbitration with Hearts staying in the top league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, antrin said: Hearts won petition to get access to key documents for use in Arbitration (or potentially any future court case). In the words of Lord Clark parties ‘need to put their cards on the table’. Lord Clark stressed that Hearts/Partick Thistle were wholly correct in not seeking court action or arbitration while the potential for reconstruction was still a possibility. Hearts/Partick v the Three others clubs – expenses shared. Hearts/Partick v SPFL, petitioners to pay the cost of the SPFL case but only to the amount of 50% So far a 0-0 draw in the first leg. the second leg will be played on the SPFL home pitch, with its own appointed officials, and only SPFL fans in attendance. the rules of the match will be made up during play to suit whatever outcome the SPFL deem desirable and suitable for the SPFL... a bit like the Nimmo Smith bollox where ilegally registered players were not doomed illegal cos nobody spotted it at the time. or the ruling that EBTs were not illegal cos every club COULD have used them, if they’d known about them and even though the EBTs let the deid club hire better players.... that did not give them an advantage. I don’t think Hearts and PT are going to have their way. They have been poorly treated and it’ll stay that way. They've not been treated poorly at all. It's a real shame that things stopped when they did and IMO there wasn't anywhere near enough appetite for a change within the other clubs. But this voting system is what Hearts and Thistle signed up for. They are mostly to blame for being bottom when the music stopped and then not being reasonable in their response to relegation under unprecedented circumstances and not recognising when they had lost the argument. The world is full of such people and they are almost exclusively a total pain in the arse for everyone else as they obsessively pursue their own agenda at the expense of everybody. I have no time or sympathy for either of these clubs now. Incidentally I wonder if Hearts are ever going to be capable of accepting person responsibility for any failure they suffer. 1986 and now this nonsense..... Edited July 3, 2020 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Arbitration is going to be interesting. No right of appeal on the decisions is my understanding. Outcomes? Reconstruction? Compensation? Redrafting of the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Arbitration is going to be interesting. No right of appeal on the decisions is my understanding. Outcomes? Reconstruction? Compensation? Redrafting of the rules?It's the 7th of July, the fixtures were released for the season which starts on 1st August. Not sure how there can now be reconstruction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: On 7/5/2020 at 8:21 PM, St.Ricky said: Arbitration is going to be interesting. No right of appeal on the decisions is my understanding. Outcomes? Reconstruction? Compensation? Redrafting of the rules? It's the 7th of July, the fixtures were released for the season which starts on 1st August. Not sure how there can now be reconstruction? I agree that this would be very difficult to do but not impossible. The arbitrators will need to weigh up a lot of things including the costs either way of keeping things as they are and of reconstruction per 42 clubs. Edited July 7, 2020 by St.Ricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidebud Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 I reckon it will be either a straight forward GTF to Hearts et al - or a small amount of compensation. I don't believe there is any chance that any reasonable panel would go any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/7/2020 at 1:50 PM, southsidebud said: I reckon it will be either a straight forward GTF to Hearts et al - or a small amount of compensation. I don't believe there is any chance that any reasonable panel would go any further. Decent argument from a "moral" standpoint and equally pragmatic. The but for me, Southside, is that the dispute is about the rules of the SPFL and what the members and executive can and cannot do. I may be wrong. That happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted July 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 The ruling of the Arbitration Panel should be known this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlandssaint Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sfa-left-no-choice-over-22356378 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldorf34 Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 Maybe the compensation, if it comes to that ,will equal the fine for taking it to arbitration! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlandssaint Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53677459 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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