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AFAIK only home fans will be admitted.
Having had a look at the proposed guidance on stadiums it seems to me that there are major problems in preparing the stadium for spectators.
Guidance on professional football and professional rugby for the stadium sector, including an operational guide and checklist.

Matches with limited spectators - draft considerations

Competitive matches with restricted number of spectators may be possible, with the approval of the Scottish Government, in Phase 3.

Some initial considerations for future guidance are set out below:

  • working alongside Scottish Government, Scottish Rugby and Scottish FA are considering safe systems of working in addition to the above for the reintroduction of spectators to our stadia / events.  An outline of the measures considered include:
  • reduced capacities - various ticketing models which reflect government restrictions and physical distancing measures as appropriate
  • conditions of entry – patrons must complete a health questionnaire in advance / data capture for all purchasers for contact tracing purposes and consideration to the wearing of face coverings
  • ticket policies - specific ticketing polices appropriate for the Government Guidelines including, for example one household per group as appropriate / no ticket resale policy
  • consideration for contactless temperature checks at entry points
  • maximising points of entry / staggered arrival times – limit queues – maintaining social distancing, contactless entry
  • no bags permitted (exceptions permitted for medical purposes) – reduce queues and contact at entry points
  • hand sanitiser stations inside / outside turnstiles
  • maximise number of toilets open – queue management in place / contactless hand sanitisers available
  • reduce time within stadium – limited ‘entertainment’
  • contactless, bar and catering solutions – socially distanced queues, perspex screens, cashless payments, maximise available service points to reduce queue times
  • maximise onsite parking – reduce in stadium activities to provide socially distanced parking therefore minimising requirement for public transport
  • limit event staffing / activities – essential activities only
  • limited or no internal hospitality – in line with Scottish Government physical distancing measures
  • extensive promotion of COVID-19 symptoms, Test and Protect, good hygiene practices in advance of all matches through our extensive social media channels
  • extensive signage throughout the stadium – social distancing, queue management, hygiene measures
  • collaboration with external partners
   
Nothing too draconian there should all be straightforward enough to implement.

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9 minutes ago, MenstrieSaint said:

Think we could manage 3,500 if we leave every other row empty and allowed groups in social bubbles and families to sit together with an empty seat / ailse between groups.  But to make it work, we need to start the process now.

 

I'd be surprised if our ground would be allowed 3,500.

I can see a softer approach to start with as the Scottish government have erred on the side of caution on every other stage of opening things back up. 

I agree clubs should be already looking at the whole process, as highlighted by smcc above their are considerable hoops to jump through. 

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You have to take into account the approach streets etc I think it will be no more than around 1000 for starters

I'd be surprised if our ground would be allowed 3,500.
I can see a softer approach to start with as the Scottish government have erred on the side of caution on every other stage of opening things back up. 
I agree clubs should be already looking at the whole process, as highlighted by smcc above their are considerable hoops to jump through. 

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2 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

It has to be a meaningful number.

4 stands at 250 per stand for a total of 1000 seems reasonable.

At that point, you are looking at League 1 and 2 clubs being able to almost return to normal.

League 1 & 2 clubs won't have the same capacity, or stands in many cases, as us, so unlikely to be that number.

 

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Speculation on Radio Scotland at the weekend that the club would have some form of online nominations from the fans to ascertain those able to attend.

Absolutely not, no one is more or less worthy to be chosen to attend and, as we saw with the Love St housing development street naming polls, this type of nominative process is far too easily rigged.

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Speculation on Radio Scotland at the weekend that the club would have some form of online nominations from the fans to ascertain those able to attend.
Absolutely not, no one is more or less worthy to be chosen to attend and, as we saw with the Love St housing development street naming polls, this type of nominative process is far too easily rigged.
I believe buds that have had first hand experience in risk assessments and the implementation of safe systems of work for Covid19 should be the first ones to get picked.

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11 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

I believe buds that have had first hand experience in risk assessments and the implementation of safe systems of work for Covid19 should be the first ones to get picked. emoji6.png

Even Faraway is in front of you in the queue 👋👋👋

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Celtic turned down for 1st football test event this weekend. Not surprised after the Bolingoli incident but I don't see too many other clubs publicly pushing to hold a test event. 14/9 looking like the date of the first test event at this rate so could well be October at the earliest before we see a max socially distanced capacity at this rate.

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On 8/21/2020 at 4:10 PM, Slarti said:

According to some (most) ST holders on here, they bought the ST to help support the club financially. The club already have that money and it will cost the club if only ST holders are allowed in as there will be no extra income, only outlay. So, if ST holders really want to support the club financially, they should give up their attendance and allow only "pay at the gate" customers in, therefore maximising the clubs income per home game.

Or maybe they don't want the club to maximise its income and would, in this case, be selfish and demand their own attendance first, therefore costing the club money.

Just a thought. :whistle

How many St. Mirren supporting non season ticket holders attended our home games?

Would that number fill the seats that would be made available?

As a season ticket holder can I “pay at the gate“?

Should season ticket holders be the first to be given the option of buying tickets for the stadium?

 

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How many St. Mirren supporting non season ticket holders attended our home games?
Would that number fill the seats that would be made available?
As a season ticket holder can I “pay at the gate“?
Should season ticket holders be the first to be given the option of buying tickets for the stadium?
 
And he lands a whopper.

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Celtic turned down for 1st football test event this weekend. Not surprised after the Bolingoli incident but I don't see too many other clubs publicly pushing to hold a test event. 14/9 looking like the date of the first test event at this rate so could well be October at the earliest before we see a max socially distanced capacity at this rate.
As they have publicly criticized and banned a large number of their own supporters regarding behaviour and hygiene, it's no surprise they were turned down.

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2 hours ago, E=Mc2 said:

How many St. Mirren supporting non season ticket holders attended our home games?

Would that number fill the seats that would be made available?

As a season ticket holder can I “pay at the gate“?

Should season ticket holders be the first to be given the option of buying tickets for the stadium?

 

Somewhat academic. If the proportion of seats available is the same as proposed for Murrayfield this weekend there will only be just over 100 fans in the ground.

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1 hour ago, smcc said:

Somewhat academic. If the proportion of seats available is the same as proposed for Murrayfield this weekend there will only be just over 100 fans in the ground.

At 100 seats I would sell/give to our flag waving drum guys. 

As long as they promise social distancing +.

 

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I have just seen the first draft guidance for fans returning to stadiums.

All fans will be sprayed with a disinfectant before they enter the stadium (this measure will continue to be in place at Cappielow forever).

Only every third row will be occupied.

Everyone will need to stand with their arms at full stretch. This is to ensure social distancing.

However, no touching hands.

No food will be sold.

No oldies.

If we win, no gathering at the side of the pitch to hail the team like a bunch of girls at a Take That concert circa 1990's.

Masks must be worn at all times to discourage singing, shouting or talking.

Anyone who coughs will be shot by stewards.

These measures are intended to keep everyone safe and are following the very best scientific advice.

Edited by Hendo

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I have just seen the first draft guidance for fans returning to stadiums.
All fans will be sprayed with a disinfectant before they enter the stadium (this measure will continue to be in place at Cappielow forever).
Only every third row will be occupied.
Everyone will need to stand with their arms at full stretch. This is to ensure social distancing.
However, no touching hands.
No food will be sold.
No oldies.
If we win, no gathering at the side of the pitch to hail the team like a bunch of girls at a Take That concert circa 1990's.
Masks must be worn at all times to discourage singing, shouting or talking.
Anyone who coughs will be shot by stewards.
These measures are intended to keep everyone safe and are following the very best scientific advice.
Sounds pretty normal

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I see Ross County and Rangers have been approved for their respective home games on 12/09 to be test events with a third tbc.

Why not test all 6 fixtures that weekend - to collect more feedback/data to analyse?

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2 hours ago, RichardBuddie said:

I see Ross County and Rangers have been approved for their respective home games on 12/09 to be test events with a third tbc.

Why not test all 6 fixtures that weekend - to collect more feedback/data to analyse?

Without looking, I just know County are at home to Celtic. The league's all about the OF, we're here to make up the numbers. 

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